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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Sept 8, 2016 11:54:02 GMT
But it isn't really Francis' fault is it? Indirectly maybe, but Rick is mainly responsible himself for ruining his health and who knows, Francis might cancel the shows if he could - unfortunately they can't so this is the situation they're left with. I also somehow doubt that Francis is as much in control as people often say. He didn't like the idea of Aquostic, and yet he participated in it. We'll have to agree to differ there FH. I think the demise of the FF and change in direction is Rossi's fault . And, to a lesser extent, it's Rick's fault too as he has just been a yes man and gone where he thinks the money is.Of course Rick's health can't be blamed on anyone but himself but, unless someone is holding a gun to Rossi's head, I don't believe he has to do shows. Regarding what Rossi said about Aquostic, I have been taking everything he says about anything with a large pinch of salt for a long time now. I think he had no choice in 1985 he had blown his money on cars, women and drugs. He said he was also said to be homeless after another breakup. I think if the Record company had accepted Francis leaving and Rick and Alan carrying on Quo then maybe things would have been different. I suspect Alan's way is what Rick wanted but he knew they only way to get money again was to follow Francis.
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Post by madtom on Sept 8, 2016 12:04:02 GMT
We'll have to agree to differ there FH. I think the demise of the FF and change in direction is Rossi's fault . And, to a lesser extent, it's Rick's fault too as he has just been a yes man and gone where he thinks the money is.Of course Rick's health can't be blamed on anyone but himself but, unless someone is holding a gun to Rossi's head, I don't believe he has to do shows. Regarding what Rossi said about Aquostic, I have been taking everything he says about anything with a large pinch of salt for a long time now. I think he had no choice in 1985 he had blown his money on cars, women and drugs. He said he was also said to be homeless after another breakup. I think if the Record company had accepted Francis leaving and Rick and Alan carrying on Quo then maybe things would have been different. I suspect Alan's way is what Rick wanted but he knew they only way to get money again was to follow Francis. I don't disagree about Rick being in a fix financially, although I think he let Francis have his own way too much regarding the direction the band took. I expect that the record company insisting that Rossi be included just reinforced is position as top dog in everyone's eyes, irrespective of him and Rick having equal ownership of "Status Quo".
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Sept 8, 2016 12:24:13 GMT
I think he had no choice in 1985 he had blown his money on cars, women and drugs. He said he was also said to be homeless after another breakup. I think if the Record company had accepted Francis leaving and Rick and Alan carrying on Quo then maybe things would have been different. I suspect Alan's way is what Rick wanted but he knew they only way to get money again was to follow Francis. I don't disagree about Rick being in a fix financially, although I think he let Francis have his own way too much regarding the direction the band took. I expect that the record company insisting that Rossi be included just reinforced is position as top dog in everyone's eyes, irrespective of him and Rick having equal ownership of "Status Quo". I agree and a lot of that is down to laziness on his part. He has admitted that he quite happily did some writing but left a lot of it to Francis so of course Francis would be seen as taking over. I think the fact that Rick had written no songs to go on a 16 track album in 1994 was bad. At the time Rick was happy to be earning money again through touring and carry on partying and not taking life that seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 16:35:11 GMT
Rick has never been a prolific songwriter but after the split he was on par with Francis with regards to contributions - PR being the exception.
If I was Rick, I wouldn't have written anything for TW either given that Francis had the power to veto it, like he did with Heavy Daze on RTYD.
Promo and gimmicks are what killed Quo and forced them into doing films, posing nude, etc. Otherwise, they would have been able to go away for a while, bring out an album every 3/4 years, promote it credibly, and it would sell enough to making tour every year an option (not a necessity).
Walker and Porter have to take the lion's share of the blame.
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Post by jaynieeee on Sept 13, 2016 20:59:17 GMT
Gaz - there are 2 re-scheduled gigs on this summer tour - Rochester Castle and Ingliston and I believe that one was due to Francis being ill. The Edinburgh one. I think Rick was sick for the other. Make of that what you will. The logical thing to do. For a band, in their position, I'm amazed they don't have insurance cover for all situations and if so cover that with the price of tickets. In my business ALL is covered. True you can insure (more ore less) anything at a cost and at a cost is the important thing - it could well b the case that the cost of cancellation insurance due to Rick being ill is now so high that it would be cheaper to cancel gigs, except apart from any cancellation there is the paying of band members, roadies, management to be paid for and if they took that hit and rescheduled would there be any guarantee that Rick would be fit for the new date? If not, then no sense in putting off playing without and paying for it.
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Post by jaynieeee on Sept 13, 2016 21:08:17 GMT
But do you think they can perform without Francis. They know they can't PF. They did cancel the Ingleston gig in Edinburgh last year 'cos Francis was ill. We were all gutted as we missed out on the camping. You could have pitched your tent in my back garden, as long as you didn't mind Mr Fox sauntering past
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Post by jaynieeee on Sept 13, 2016 21:19:24 GMT
Nobody from the Quo camp has but one of our members here seems to believe that is the case. Look at deepthroat's post above. But yes, I agree, that it doesn't make sense he would only play part of the tour unless of course he is much sicker than we know and he needs that amount of rest. Folks we need to wait for an official announcement before we can sure Rick will only play the UK dates. Rick not playing on the European leg of LNOTE has been posted about before, so it's not just me. See statusquo.boards.net/post/57314/threadA lot of stuff that is posted on here is missed because there are so many Rick threads. But, equally, info like Rick not playing Hyde Park has gone under the radar because it was announced exclusively to fan club members, most of whom who don't want to share the news for fear of having their membership cancelled. Then we have a superiority complex going on with some of them who think that they are above this forum, so information is sparse. Regardless, any gigs beyond the previously announced ones in August and September that Rick is not able to attend should be announced to ALL fans. But as alluded to, this b(r)and want to maintain a nicey-nicey image. AND they know fans will demand refunds. Billybragg may find that hilarious, but it will happen. Tut tut, if that (giving a limited number access to sensitive information) happened in the financial sector it could be classed as insider trading
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