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Post by madtom on Sept 7, 2016 16:54:33 GMT
I dont. But the question was about Rick. It's a great story and shows how far you can take a band name, and how far you can't. Had you asked me a few years ago I couldn't have imagined the band going on stage without Rick, but they've done it and since it has 'worked' in their eyes, they see nothing wrong with doing it again. I'm not sure how happy Rick is about realizing that his presence/absence doesn't seem to make much difference to the majority of the audience. Maybe this is the point at which he has to realize that this is what you get for appealing to 'casual' fans rather than the hardcore fanbase. I reckon Rick is realising a few home truths right now and, to an extent, it serves him right IMO as he played his part in the change in lineup and direction of the band. He might now have a better understanding of how John and Alan must have felt and be seeing how the real Rossi ticks.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Sept 7, 2016 17:04:59 GMT
I'm not sure about that. I think Rick is still recovering from his heart attack. The wheels of business roll on regardless. It would be tragic if Rick isn't there for the final shows. And going off Rossi's latest interview, it sounds like there's a possibility that he might not be there. It's unthinkable isn't it?
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 7, 2016 17:05:41 GMT
In theory not really, but since it obviously works somehow, the point is moot. Besides, who cares about my opinion anyway - it won't change a thing whether I condone it or not. If they had never changed their lineup since 1977, it would be an entirely different question. Fair enough. Each to their own. Id question it works. But your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses. There is a backlash on this board, make no mistake. But I doubt that there is any trace of a shitstorm on the wider net. And I haven't heard of boycotts or the like. That's why I mean by "it works". One could also argue that due to the way the band has developed, swapping out one person (except Francis) doesn't make such a large difference to the general public's reaction. But I haven't watched any footage so I don't have a definitive opinion. The Fleetwood Mac/Stretch example or Roger Waters' comment about surrogate bands are interesting points for such discussions, I think. Certainly all of this also underlines why the FF reunion wasn't coninued any further.
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 7, 2016 17:10:46 GMT
It's a great story and shows how far you can take a band name, and how far you can't. Had you asked me a few years ago I couldn't have imagined the band going on stage without Rick, but they've done it and since it has 'worked' in their eyes, they see nothing wrong with doing it again. I'm not sure how happy Rick is about realizing that his presence/absence doesn't seem to make much difference to the majority of the audience. Maybe this is the point at which he has to realize that this is what you get for appealing to 'casual' fans rather than the hardcore fanbase. I reckon Rick is realising a few home truths right now and, to an extent, it serves him right IMO as he played his part in the change in lineup and direction of the band. He might now have a better understanding of how John and Alan must have felt and be seeing how the real Rossi ticks. But it isn't really Francis' fault is it? Indirectly maybe, but Rick is mainly responsible himself for ruining his health and who knows, Francis might cancel the shows if he could - unfortunately they can't so this is the situation they're left with. I also somehow doubt that Francis is as much in control as people often say. He didn't like the idea of Aquostic, and yet he participated in it.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Sept 7, 2016 17:12:56 GMT
Fair enough. Each to their own. Id question it works. But your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses. Certainly all of this also underlines why the FF reunion wasn't coninued any further. I've been thinking about this, following the latest interview. Rossi still bangs on about nostalgia. From his point of view, he has been constantly working in the same band all his life - playing the same songs year in, year out. The personnel have changed but he has been the leader all the time. So for him it's a continuous entity.
For the fans, we see it completely differently, because we associate Status Quo as being the FF. So it's an authenticity thing. So the reunion gigs were not nostalgia to us - they were a chance to watch the original (and the only one that matters) version of the band. That's why everybody was going mental.
I think Rossi is incapable of seeing it from our point of view.
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Post by madtom on Sept 7, 2016 17:23:59 GMT
I'm not sure about that. I think Rick is still recovering from his heart attack. The wheels of business roll on regardless. It would be tragic if Rick isn't there for the final shows. And going off Rossi's latest interview, it sounds like there's a possibility that he might not be there. It's unthinkable isn't it? I don't disagree. I realise he's still recovering, it's been said that he even has trouble walking. I just think he must now realise where he is in the pecking order... there seems to be a consesus that "Quo" couldn't go on stage if it was Rossi that was incapacitated.
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Post by clonesydney on Sept 7, 2016 17:24:59 GMT
That doesn't answer the question. Do you think it's ok ? In theory not really, but since it obviously works somehow, the point is moot. Besides, who cares about my opinion anyway - it won't change a thing whether I condone it or not. If they had never changed their lineup since 1977, it would be an entirely different question. It works because the audience that comes to see these summer shows is mainly interested in their prawn sandwiches, kettle crisps bottle of sauvignon blanc and deck chairs, they couldn't care less if Quo had no original members at all or even notice. There is no way a band of Quo's heritage and former stature should be playing such lame events, and of course if they hadn't booked such desperate shows in the first place the issue of going on stage without RP would never have arisen.
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Post by madtom on Sept 7, 2016 17:32:31 GMT
I reckon Rick is realising a few home truths right now and, to an extent, it serves him right IMO as he played his part in the change in lineup and direction of the band. He might now have a better understanding of how John and Alan must have felt and be seeing how the real Rossi ticks. But it isn't really Francis' fault is it? Indirectly maybe, but Rick is mainly responsible himself for ruining his health and who knows, Francis might cancel the shows if he could - unfortunately they can't so this is the situation they're left with. I also somehow doubt that Francis is as much in control as people often say. He didn't like the idea of Aquostic, and yet he participated in it. We'll have to agree to differ there FH. I think the demise of the FF and change in direction is Rossi's fault. And, to a lesser extent, it's Rick's fault too as he has just been a yes man and gone where he thinks the money is. Of course Rick's health can't be blamed on anyone but himself but, unless someone is holding a gun to Rossi's head, I don't believe he has to do shows. Regarding what Rossi said about Aquostic, I have been taking everything he says about anything with a large pinch of salt for a long time now.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 7, 2016 18:02:08 GMT
Fair enough. Each to their own. Id question it works. But your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses. There is a backlash on this board, make no mistake. But I doubt that there is any trace of a shitstorm on the wider net. And I haven't heard of boycotts or the like. That's why I mean by "it works". One could also argue that due to the way the band has developed, swapping out one person (except Francis) doesn't make such a large difference to the general public's reaction. But I haven't watched any footage so I don't have a definitive opinion. The Fleetwood Mac/Stretch example or Roger Waters' comment about surrogate bands are interesting points for such discussions, I think. Certainly all of this also underlines why the FF reunion wasn't coninued any further. As light entertainers yes it does work for them. Many people who go to the shows don't follow the band they just attend a show once a year when they come to town . They know the hits and to be honest the rest of the set because it is just about the same every year. But even Francis recognises they are a duo and have been for years. The rest are unknown to most people who go. Its like I go and see Bryan Adams he's had much the same band for 30 years. Haven't a clue who they are. The point is I am making it wrong for them to go ahead with a Winter tour without Rick unless his doctors advice he could never stand up to a tour again. They could cancel and postpone till next year. People are going to be short changed, gone are many fan favourites. The band is substandard to me, or is it a myth no one plays like Rick. The Reunion was put out because Francis didn't want to give up control of the band. That is exactly what he said. In his view why make the same money but have less control. I can understand hi point of view but I simply think without Rick it is substandard Quo but to me it was already getting worse. I have not been for a while why, they were boring and not playing as well as they had just a few years before. The sit is filled with poor songs outside the classic Quo songs.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 7, 2016 18:05:02 GMT
I reckon Rick is realising a few home truths right now and, to an extent, it serves him right IMO as he played his part in the change in lineup and direction of the band. He might now have a better understanding of how John and Alan must have felt and be seeing how the real Rossi ticks. But it isn't really Francis' fault is it? Indirectly maybe, but Rick is mainly responsible himself for ruining his health and who knows, Francis might cancel the shows if he could - unfortunately they can't so this is the situation they're left with. I also somehow doubt that Francis is as much in control as people often say. He didn't like the idea of Aquostic, and yet he participated in it. Are you a doctor ? You can't know what brought on this heart attack. You can assume but not know. They could cancel but chose not to. They certainly should and could have offered refunds. If Francis had said no. It wouldn't have happened. Look at the Reunion. I think what you will find he said was he wasn't keen but once it started he liked it. If he had not it would not have happened.
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 7, 2016 18:10:30 GMT
There is a backlash on this board, make no mistake. But I doubt that there is any trace of a shitstorm on the wider net. And I haven't heard of boycotts or the like. That's why I mean by "it works". One could also argue that due to the way the band has developed, swapping out one person (except Francis) doesn't make such a large difference to the general public's reaction. But I haven't watched any footage so I don't have a definitive opinion. The Fleetwood Mac/Stretch example or Roger Waters' comment about surrogate bands are interesting points for such discussions, I think. Certainly all of this also underlines why the FF reunion wasn't coninued any further. As light entertainers yes it does work for them. Many people who go to the shows don't follow the band they just attend a show once a year when they come to town . They know the hits and to be honest the rest of the set because it is just about the same every year. But even Francis recognises they are a duo and have been for years. The rest are unknown to most people who go. Its like I go and see Bryan Adams he's had much the same band for 30 years. Haven't a clue who they are. The point is I am making it wrong for them to go ahead with a Winter tour without Rick unless his doctors advice he could never stand up to a tour again. They could cancel and postpone till next year. People are going to be short changed, gone are many fan favourites. The band is substandard to me, or is it a myth no one plays like Rick. The Reunion was put out because Francis didn't want to give up control of the band. That is exactly what he said. In his view why make the same money but have less control. I can understand hi point of view but I simply think without Rick it is substandard Quo but to me it was already getting worse. I have not been for a while why, they were boring and not playing as well as they had just a few years before. The sit is filled with poor songs outside the classic Quo songs. They couldn't have continued with a reunited FF for various reasons. Alan's health was often used as a reason that nobody would cover their insurance but now we know that Rick is just as big a problem. And because the FF term refers to a specific lineup, there's no way they could go on stage with Freddie standing in for Rick or Rhino standing in for Alan and still claim to be 'the FF'. I agree that they should postpone the winter tour.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 7, 2016 18:20:28 GMT
As light entertainers yes it does work for them. Many people who go to the shows don't follow the band they just attend a show once a year when they come to town . They know the hits and to be honest the rest of the set because it is just about the same every year. But even Francis recognises they are a duo and have been for years. The rest are unknown to most people who go. Its like I go and see Bryan Adams he's had much the same band for 30 years. Haven't a clue who they are. The point is I am making it wrong for them to go ahead with a Winter tour without Rick unless his doctors advice he could never stand up to a tour again. They could cancel and postpone till next year. People are going to be short changed, gone are many fan favourites. The band is substandard to me, or is it a myth no one plays like Rick. The Reunion was put out because Francis didn't want to give up control of the band. That is exactly what he said. In his view why make the same money but have less control. I can understand hi point of view but I simply think without Rick it is substandard Quo but to me it was already getting worse. I have not been for a while why, they were boring and not playing as well as they had just a few years before. The sit is filled with poor songs outside the classic Quo songs. They couldn't have continued with a reunited FF for various reasons. Alan's health was often used as a reason that nobody would cover their insurance but now we know that Rick is just as big a problem. And because the FF term refers to a specific lineup, there's no way they could go on stage with Freddie standing in for Rick or Rhino standing in for Alan and still claim to be 'the FF'. I agree that they should postpone the winter tour. We don't know about insurance that is speculation. They wouldn't tour at all without insurance. I dont know know about you and I went to 13 gigs. It said Status Quo on my ticket every time. The only reason the reunion stopped was Mr Rossi. The rest is no different to the band touring now.
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Post by Railroad17 on Sept 7, 2016 18:21:24 GMT
And so to follow up ? Why is it ok to book gigs without Rick ? Do you know the story of the band Stretch? (A band that Jeff Rich played in for some time, coincidentally...)
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 7, 2016 18:31:35 GMT
Do you know the story of the band Stretch? (A band that Jeff Rich played in for some time, coincidentally...) Was this one of the 'bogus' Mac concerts? Strange coincidence that Quo were playing at the same gig! I didn't know that.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 7, 2016 18:35:22 GMT
Was this one of the 'bogus' Mac concerts? Strange coincidence that Quo were playing at the same gig! I didn't know that. I think in Bobs book he said this is why the US tour fell through. Leaving them high n dry.
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