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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 9, 2022 13:43:59 GMT
Hmm, don't really see the point, although they have tried to recreate the original more faithfully than the live version with only slight hints of piano here and there. The bass seems quite far down in the mix though. But, for me, the original is legend and I'll always go back to that. This is not only an odd recording but also seems an odd release for those 'streaming platforms'. If you're going to go to the trouble of doing something like this, why not just record something new? I guess it’s because, yesterday it cropped on my Spotify as a new release I might be interested in. Others would have clicked on it and then maybe thought oh I will check that Whereas I thought oh dear is that the sound of them re-recording it again
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Post by mortified on Aug 9, 2022 14:17:45 GMT
paradiseflats, I presume you'd have been given the heads up by Spotify of a new song as well? They've obviously re-recorded/remixed numerous tracks for this new compilation and I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which have been touched and speculated on in this thread. Quo have gone into the studio and recorded just a new single on very few occasions. I can think of maybe 5 times off the top of my head, excluding the PYE days. I just think if they're going to the trouble of fully re-recording something, bringing out even one new track would have been a bit more interesting. Even for them But it is what it is. Although who's going to buy yet another compilation is anyone's guess. Collectors apart, obviously.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 9, 2022 14:31:12 GMT
paradiseflats, I presume you'd have been given the heads up by Spotify of a new song as well? They've obviously re-recorded/remixed numerous tracks for this new compilation and I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which have been touched and speculated on in this thread. Quo have gone into the studio and recorded just a new single on very few occasions. I can think of maybe 5 times off the top of my head, excluding the PYE days. I just think if they're going to the trouble of fully re-recording something, bringing out even one new track would have been a bit more interesting. Even for them But it is what it is. Although who's going to buy yet another compilation is anyone's guess. Collectors apart, obviously. [br Yeah I guess they would let me know An odd collection of stuff Including material from before 2000. They’ve missed off many of the best tracks they’ve done since 2000 But these days so have my own Quo compilation from the start till now. Unimaginatively called ‘From the makers of…’ It’s a mere 12 hours 34 minutes of their best work in my view. Maybe there’s a market on vinyl for the release.
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Post by Victor on Aug 9, 2022 22:17:38 GMT
I probably shouldn't have listened to it but I did...and it's absolute crap in my eyes sorry... Good god, just keep to somethig like the Backbone album which I truly do enjoy...but don't do his crap because it can never ever better the original that was created back then becuse it will nver succeed.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 10, 2022 7:53:28 GMT
I probably shouldn't have listened to it but I did...and it's absolute crap in my eyes sorry... Good god, just keep to somethig like the Backbone album which I truly do enjoy...but don't do his crap because it can never ever better the original that was created back then becuse it will nver succeed. I almost certainly agree with you - I only listened for about half a minute! That said, as great as the Bryan Adams remake sounds, I didn't listen to that for long either. What's the point?
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Post by mortified on Aug 10, 2022 8:20:00 GMT
Just listened to it again. It's OK. Not as good as the original in the sense that the 1973 version encapsulated the band and the times for me. As I say, it does seem a pointless exercise to re-record it but presumably it isn't. Performance rights issues may be the reason but who knows? And it's not like it's the first time they've done such a thing. Very far from it. And, I also have to say, not once have they ever improved on an original. And I include Forty-Five Hundred Times in that statement. Although I know many will disagree. Bryan Adams' Run To You is all very nice and polished and one of my favourite tracks of the 80's. But, again, the point is? Must be a new fad. Hopefully, they'll now take it to another level and go in and re-record .... Heat and Thirsty Work. With more gusto
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 14:17:06 GMT
I wish Francis would dump those awful new guitars he seems so keen on now and go back to a proper vintage Tele with appropriate pickups. The new guitars sound so dry, almost like a guitar synth. Keyboards not too high in the mix to offend the hardcore and good work from Richie and Rhino, good mix for those two as well. I'm liking Leon's work more and more with every passing year, especially live. For me third best Quo drummer after John and Pete but it sounds like he has cotton wool on his hi hats here and the whole drum sound needs more punch. I presume Francis had a hand in the production, this track suffers from the same underpowered nature that Backbone did. Just turn up the rock!
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Post by quovadis on Aug 10, 2022 15:10:19 GMT
Totally agree with u bluehighway to me backbone is bland the guitars really do need jacking up to me very few solos on it in this album weeks towards pop sorry just my opinion
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Post by nino on Aug 10, 2022 17:54:27 GMT
Maybe just for TV playback purposes? Otherwise unneccessary af. And the intro is dire, nothing personal against young Richie, really, but the sound, and as I said, that's obviously not his fault is bland, flat and sounds exactly like the sample Apollo 440 did on "Stop the Rock" in '99 or '00, if anyone remembers.
Ordered the album nontheless for my collection's sake.
Edit: just saw that Cammy already mentioned the Appollo 440 reference in the 4th post or so but I couldn't be bothered to read through everything beforehand, my bad!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 20:48:30 GMT
I still really like this version.
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Post by viza on Aug 10, 2022 22:22:46 GMT
Hadn't thought about that. Google search brought up "Cliff's Law - The legislation – known as "Cliff's law" after its most high-profile campaigner – extends copyright on music recordings from 50 years to 70 years. Copyright on many of the most popular 60s tunes, including many Dame Shirley Bassey hits, had been due to expire within two years but will now last until at least 2033." Caroline is nowhere near even the 50 years age anyway, I mean.....oh....wait..... Um yes I thought the rights ran for 40 years, counted up on my fingers since Caroline came out and realised I had lost track ... I think they changed it to 50, but I am not sure I knew they had upgraded it to 70. That explains why I couldn't find the older figures. I must remember "Clilff's Law" - the name will always get it. (Is there a law against BBC helicopters harassing people on insider police information? If so they will have to call it "Cliff's Law 2" or something.)
Of course in the wider field most copyright now comes under the "Mickey Mouse Law" and it's the REAL Mickey Mouse ... nobody takes that name in vain any more!
Isn't it 70 years after the death of the author?
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 11, 2022 17:55:16 GMT
Um yes I thought the rights ran for 40 years, counted up on my fingers since Caroline came out and realised I had lost track ... I think they changed it to 50, but I am not sure I knew they had upgraded it to 70. That explains why I couldn't find the older figures. I must remember "Clilff's Law" - the name will always get it. (Is there a law against BBC helicopters harassing people on insider police information? If so they will have to call it "Cliff's Law 2" or something.)
Of course in the wider field most copyright now comes under the "Mickey Mouse Law" and it's the REAL Mickey Mouse ... nobody takes that name in vain any more! Isn't it 70 years after the death of the author? That's the composition rights, not the performance rights. Compositions are protected much longer. (Eric Carmen thought he could use a Rachmaninoff piece for "All By Myself" and then had to learn that the copyright of that one had not run out!)
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Post by mortified on Aug 12, 2022 12:38:22 GMT
Basically, the point we've reached is a discussion/debate on a fairly unimaginative re-recording of an original - not even the first - plus questions on which version of what songs are on a forthcoming compilation. Has it come to this? I guess it must have. I once suggested that familiarity or even over-familiarity in music wasn't a good thing. It seems I was mistaken and we've all to listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Then pick the bones out of which version we prefer. I'm not sure if I find that sad or annoying. I'll have a think There; thought about it. It's annoying
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Post by freewilly on Aug 12, 2022 13:30:24 GMT
Basically, the point we've reached is a discussion/debate on a fairly unimaginative re-recording of an original - not even the first - plus questions on which version of what songs are on a forthcoming compilation. Has it come to this? I guess it must have. I once suggested that familiarity or even over-familiarity in music wasn't a good thing. It seems I was mistaken and we've all to listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Then pick the bones out of which version we prefer. I'm not sure if I find that sad or annoying. I'll have a think There; thought about it. It's annoying Been thinking about this recently...I've seen it said in the past and always thought it was rubbish but, I'm starting to think it was and is true... Almost every discussion about Status Quo, since I was born, has been centred around 4 (5) people and their output pre 1982. Any discussion after that in regards music, doesn't go into the same depth and is quite often dismissed...Its nearly always a comparison to pre 1982 stuff Maybe... Just maybe... Status Quo died the day John Coghlan left.
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Post by mortified on Aug 12, 2022 14:49:51 GMT
Been thinking about this recently...I've seen it said in the past and always thought it was rubbish but, I'm starting to think it was and is true... Almost every discussion about Status Quo, since I was born, has been centred around 4 (5) people and their output pre 1982. Any discussion after that in regards music, doesn't go into the same depth and is quite often dismissed...Its nearly always a comparison to pre 1982 stuff Maybe... Just maybe... Status Quo died the day John Coghlan left. It's an interesting point and it has some merit. And I think it very probably applies to many. Because for a lot of fans, it was never the same after Spud left and even more so post-Alan. I wasn't one of them, I hasten to add. I don't think it necessarily applies to those who got into the band late in the day; say from 1986 onwards, although that's a generalisation. There will always be a counter-argument. There is a cross-section of fans at a Quo gig these days. All ages and all tastes. I suspect that is precisely what Francis in particular was trying to achieve. Or various managements convinced him that this was the goal to maximise income. So here we are. We either stick with it or we close the door behind us. The band wont bother either way. Your sad old collector and long time fan is no longer the target audience. The demographic. As they say. I haven't closed the door but I do have the key in my hand while I mull it over
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