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Post by per on Oct 20, 2016 4:40:17 GMT
Bearing in mind I have completely lost count whom I am replying to, and although I know now that I am but a second-generation, middlecore fan (even though I am old enough to be first generation), and a mere cardi wearer, and even though Andy is a sterling contributor of very long standing (not to mention the one in the best shape of any of the old guard even though he is the oldest by some margin, go that Andy), and I think very highly of Rhino, nonetheless I know that "the Quo" is Francis, Alan, Rick and Spud. I say this not to denigrate any other incarnation of the band, nor to call anything shite, but just because I think it is an incontestable and eternal truth. IMHO. PS Too Far Gone is a great track, fast, choppy, a bit shouty, the kind of song that when it comes on the radio makes me spill my breakfast cuppa round the kitchen, headbang and generally forget my troubles for a few minutes. Pure Quo. It's a pity they didn't play it live in my time. I couldn't agree more Mrs Flittersnoop!
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Post by rick on Oct 20, 2016 5:27:15 GMT
Andy and Rhino have made terrific contributions to their band with songwriting and playing, and somehow people seem to be blaming Rossi for Rick's illness. Really???
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Post by Victor on Oct 20, 2016 6:03:54 GMT
Andy and Rhino have made terrific contributions to their band with songwriting and playing, and somehow people seem to be blaming Rossi for Rick's illness. Really??? Seem is the correct word here I think. What I have seen is Rossi getting blamed for his attitude towards Rick's illness.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 20, 2016 7:20:49 GMT
Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears. So you don't like such Frantic Four songs as Shady Lady, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Come Rock With Me/Rockin' On, Runaway, What You're Proposin', Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... ? Of course the grove is different because there's ca. 15 years between the songs! Find me a band who's got the same grove over such a long period! Shady Lady - is a Rossi/Young song with a country groove. (its also on Bob Young's In Quo Country album too.) I like a lot of country music. Yep, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Runaway, Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... not particularly fond of. I know them well cos I played those albums all the time back in the day. I really dislike What You're Proposin. Your point about the groove is missing my point which I didn't spell out. And its that John and Alan plus Rick and Francis are the rhythm section on Lonely Night which is a very rhythm driven number. Magic - different band members, different rhythm section and therefore a different groove. Plus more of a pop tune though Francis may well say its country to him. Shows how we all very. But that is what I hear.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 20, 2016 8:05:50 GMT
There are for me a lot of music made in the Period 77-81 that has little in common with what followed with their newer worse direction. As for for 86-89 I really wouldn't know but I doubt that there is anything that compares musically to Rockers rollin,Who asked you, Mountain lady or Breaking away. If so they are hidden gems as the few times I've listened to the late 80s albums I think they are dreadful. Mountain Lady is a very much 80's poppy song, musically I don't see a conceptual difference between this one and Magic or Throw Her A Line. Breaking Away - compare it to Power Of Rock. Who Asked You - Rollin' Home and its B-side Keep Me Guessing. Can't see such a big difference except that songs from the late 80's differ a bit from songs from the late 70's as much as songs from the late 70's differ from songs from the early 70's. Still it's 100% Quo! I don't think I ever want to hear the Power of Rock ever again, with its attempt to rip off 'the voice'. Even if I accept some songs are in a similar vein which I don't the ones from the late 80s are simply poorer and the production abs keyboards are poor. I can accept late 70s Quo is very different as they were no longer the Frantic Four. Andys song writing had a detrimental effect on the band and overall sound.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 20, 2016 8:10:11 GMT
Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears. So you don't like such Frantic Four songs as Shady Lady, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Come Rock With Me/Rockin' On, Runaway, What You're Proposin', Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... ? Of course the grove is different because there's ca. 15 years between the songs! Find me a band who's got the same grove over such a long period! All the songs you mention are not Frantic Four songs. Rossi/Frost started with some good songs but as the 80s progressed they became so one dimensional. Bands with the same groove and are successful over a long of time. AC/DC, ZZ Top, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, the list is pretty long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 8:29:00 GMT
Bearing in mind I have completely lost count whom I am replying to, and although I know now that I am but a second-generation, middlecore fan (even though I am old enough to be first generation), and a mere cardi wearer, and even though Andy is a sterling contributor of very long standing (not to mention the one in the best shape of any of the old guard even though he is the oldest by some margin, go that Andy), and I think very highly of Rhino, nonetheless I know that "the Quo" is Francis, Alan, Rick and Spud. I say this not to denigrate any other incarnation of the band, nor to call anything shite, but just because I think it is an incontestable and eternal truth. IMHO. PS Too Far Gone is a great track, fast, choppy, a bit shouty, the kind of song that when it comes on the radio makes me spill my breakfast cuppa round the kitchen, headbang and generally forget my troubles for a few minutes. Pure Quo. It's a pity they didn't play it live in my time. That gave me quite a giggle - thanks for that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 8:47:45 GMT
Mountain Lady is definitely a rock song - with very nice melodies underlying the trademark energy. Its a long long way from the synthetic (to my ears) "attempted" rock song of the late 80's which is Power Of Rock. The two songs strongly define and contrast the differing approaches of the best of the last of the original four - from the re-start post 86 membership.
Throw Her A Line is an even bigger country mile away from Mountain Lady. THAL is inspired by Sailor. ML is definitely inspired by Quo.
I also like Too Far Gone, which has been under discussion on this thread - it combines a pop feel with a little typical energy. Its the original production which didn't do it justice and rather masked that energy.
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Post by Victor on Oct 20, 2016 8:56:26 GMT
So you don't like such Frantic Four songs as Shady Lady, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Come Rock With Me/Rockin' On, Runaway, What You're Proposin', Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... ? Of course the grove is different because there's ca. 15 years between the songs! Find me a band who's got the same grove over such a long period! All the songs you mention are not Frantic Four songs. Rossi/Frost started with some good songs but as the 80s progressed they became so one dimensional. Bands with the same groove and are successful over a long of time. AC/DC, ZZ Top, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, the list is pretty long. This.
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Post by Victor on Oct 20, 2016 8:58:49 GMT
Mountain Lady is definitely a rock song - with very nice melodies underlying the trademark energy. Its a long long way from the synthetic (to my ears) "attempted" rock song of the late 80's which is Power Of Rock. The two songs strongly define and contrast the differing approaches of the best of the last of the original four - from the re-start post 86 membership. Throw Her A Line is an even bigger country mile away from Mountain Lady. THAL is inspired by Sailor. ML is definitely inspired by Quo. I also like Too Far Gone, which has been under discussion on this thread - it combines a pop feel with a little typical energy. Its the original production which didn't do it justice and rather masked that energy. Yep, Mountain Lady has nothing what so ever in common with either The Power of Rock nor Throw her a line, nor any other of the later eighties songs imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 9:32:24 GMT
And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?. Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. Someone's Learning always holds a particular interest to me because I think it is about the most "progressive rock" song that Quo ever did. So, in that sense, I agree it was a child of its time.
It was a song that emphatically stamped the experimental drive of a self invented rock boogie band that were on a mission to make their own point at a time when rock music in general was exploding in terms of creativity and invention. Essentially it tells me that Quo illustrated that they could turn to their hand to this more progressive style of rock if they wanted to, but that they preferred to specialise in boogie instead. The Quo album also delved a bit further towards the heavier more progressive side as some of the passages in songs like Just Take Me and Drifting Away illustrate(d).
The overall product became increasingly pop and commercial orientated after the NTL album (even though the gigs were still of the old vintage) and this trend accelerated fully post 86. A long way from the insurgent rock scene of the early 70's
On that basis SL is as much Hawkwind or Black Sabbath as Burning Bridges could have seen CQ employ Maddy Prior earlier than they did on the Don't Stop album.
The gist of this post is to attempt to put aside preferences and concentrate on the styles - which are totally and utterly different from one another. Its not to do with subjectivity of appeal so much (which will vary according to individual taste and preferences within Quo eras) but the fact that direct comparison of many of the songs in this thread is like trying to compare cool and misty English apple orchards to hot and dusty Seville orange groves.
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Post by kachunk on Oct 20, 2016 10:34:48 GMT
Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. Someone's Learning always holds a particular interest to me because I think it is about the most "progressive rock" song that Quo ever did. So, in that sense, I agree it was a child of its time.
It was a song that emphatically stamped the experimental drive of a self invented rock boogie band that were on a mission to make their own point at a time when rock music in general was exploding in terms of creativity and invention. Essentially it tells me that Quo illustrated that they could turn to their hand to this more progressive style of rock if they wanted to, but that they preferred to specialise in boogie instead. The Quo album also delved a bit further towards the heavier more progressive side as some of the passages in songs like Just Take Me and Drifting Away illustrate(d).
The overall product became increasingly pop and commercial orientated after the NTL album (even though the gigs were still of the old vintage) and this trend accelerated fully post 86. A long way from the insurgent rock scene of the early 70's
On that basis SL is as much Hawkwind or Black Sabbath as Burning Bridges could have seen CQ employ Maddy Prior earlier than they did on the Don't Stop album.
The gist of this post is to attempt to put aside preferences and concentrate on the styles - which are totally and utterly different from one another. Its not to do with subjectivity of appeal so much (which will vary according to individual taste and preferences within Quo eras) but the fact that direct comparison of many of the songs in this thread is like trying to compare cool and misty English apple orchards to hot and dusty Seville orange groves.
To be fair,these comparisons are more about the merits of the songwriter as opposed to the song itself. I used Someone's Learning as a yardstick for Alan's contribution to Quo as a writer and maintain that even though Andy and Rhino have been in the band longer than him,they have offered nothing of similar quality with their own writing.
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Post by deardron on Oct 20, 2016 11:29:49 GMT
So you don't like such Frantic Four songs as Shady Lady, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Come Rock With Me/Rockin' On, Runaway, What You're Proposin', Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... ? Of course the grove is different because there's ca. 15 years between the songs! Find me a band who's got the same grove over such a long period! All the songs you mention are not Frantic Four songs. Rossi/Frost started with some good songs but as the 80s progressed they became so one dimensional. Bands with the same groove and are successful over a long of time. AC/DC, ZZ Top, Iron Maiden, Motörhead, the list is pretty long. ZZ Top did change, Motörhead were a one man band, Deep Purple did change, Stones,Nazareth, Scorpions, Genesis, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Metallica, Def Leppard and many others did change over the years too (I'm not into Iron Maiden, so I don't know their music so well). AC/DC are not quite the same thing now as they were 20 years ago either, let alone 30 years ago (even disregarding who was singing the vocals) and bearing in mind that they release one album per 6-8 years, they're still somewhere in the 80's compared to Quo's run of albums - AC/DC have released 15 albums so far, Quo's 15th album was 1982, now Quo have released 15 albums more (without acoustics).
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 20, 2016 12:07:56 GMT
To be fair you said name a band over a 15 year period.
ZZtop in essence havent changed at all in tbat period.
So I was pretty much saying from 2016-2001.
I think you could also argue Status Quo in that time period in terms of original albums have been in the same groove in thst time. The only diffetence being the variance in the song quslity.
I accept bands change rarely do they continue to improve with age. Quo havent recorded a seminal album in decades.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 12:10:08 GMT
Someone's Learning always holds a particular interest to me because I think it is about the most "progressive rock" song that Quo ever did. So, in that sense, I agree it was a child of its time.
It was a song that emphatically stamped the experimental drive of a self invented rock boogie band that were on a mission to make their own point at a time when rock music in general was exploding in terms of creativity and invention. Essentially it tells me that Quo illustrated that they could turn to their hand to this more progressive style of rock if they wanted to, but that they preferred to specialise in boogie instead. The Quo album also delved a bit further towards the heavier more progressive side as some of the passages in songs like Just Take Me and Drifting Away illustrate(d).
The overall product became increasingly pop and commercial orientated after the NTL album (even though the gigs were still of the old vintage) and this trend accelerated fully post 86. A long way from the insurgent rock scene of the early 70's
On that basis SL is as much Hawkwind or Black Sabbath as Burning Bridges could have seen CQ employ Maddy Prior earlier than they did on the Don't Stop album.
The gist of this post is to attempt to put aside preferences and concentrate on the styles - which are totally and utterly different from one another. Its not to do with subjectivity of appeal so much (which will vary according to individual taste and preferences within Quo eras) but the fact that direct comparison of many of the songs in this thread is like trying to compare cool and misty English apple orchards to hot and dusty Seville orange groves.
To be fair,these comparisons are more about the merits of the songwriter as opposed to the song itself. I used Someone's Learning as a yardstick for Alan's contribution to Quo as a writer and maintain that even though Andy and Rhino have been in the band longer than him,they have offered nothing of similar quality with their own writing. Yes, its true that the song-writing angle is yet another dimension to come at this from. But neither Andy or Rhino have ever been inclined towards the prototype FF Alan style. Yes, his song writing deteriorated, overall, as did Francis an Rick, as the wheels came off the FF wagon early in the 80's. But essentially the "compus mentus" Alan was always been a different animal in all respects in comparison.
The FF reunion which advertised the welcome return of his third vocal gave yet another dimension to add to the list.
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