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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 19, 2016 21:41:06 GMT
Ok, I see your point now, and I do understand that some fans may think like this, but I will never agree. For me the original line-up - real Quo - was and will always be Frame, Nuff, Spud and Reg. If some fifth person deserves to get credits for what they achieved during the magic era it would be Bob. Yes, Andy is a great songwriter and a fantastic musician, but in my book he will never get as much cred as the FF and/or Bob. But that's my opinion of course :-) filler
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 21:44:54 GMT
Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty? BB,like Marguerita Time and Anniversary Waltz,is a novelty single and novelty singles generally sit well with the public.Whether BB has a great riff or not,it was written by somebody else decades ago and Andy only claimed it because the original was out of copyright. Slow Train (in full) has never been played live nor appeared on any compilation album,so does that mean that BB is better than that one as well?. BB is based on a jig. Quo have always played jigs, since they first did Gerdundula. All the Roadhouse Blues jigs, a few jiggy solos as well (Oh What The Night f.ex., 20WH etc.). Probably Francis' Irish roots are resounding in this. So I can't see how BB could be perceived as a novelty by Quo fans or anyone as late as in 1988? It's a Quo standard through and out!
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 19, 2016 21:48:01 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of Mountain Lady but its definitely a rock song to my ears. Listening to it again now, the synths give it a pop feel but I don't hear a pop song. And produced differently, I think I'd really enjoy it.
Magic, I did not know and checked it out on youtube. But that is a pop song to my ears and quite different.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 19, 2016 21:49:55 GMT
Bearing in mind I have completely lost count whom I am replying to, and although I know now that I am but a second-generation, middlecore fan (even though I am old enough to be first generation), and a mere cardi wearer, and even though Andy is a sterling contributor of very long standing (not to mention the one in the best shape of any of the old guard even though he is the oldest by some margin, go that Andy), and I think very highly of Rhino, nonetheless I know that "the Quo" is Francis, Alan, Rick and Spud. I say this not to denigrate any other incarnation of the band, nor to call anything shite, but just because I think it is an incontestable and eternal truth. IMHO. PS Too Far Gone is a great track, fast, choppy, a bit shouty, the kind of song that when it comes on the radio makes me spill my breakfast cuppa round the kitchen, headbang and generally forget my troubles for a few minutes. Pure Quo. It's a pity they didn't play it live in my time.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 19, 2016 21:51:48 GMT
Interesting that you compare Burning Bridges to Irish/Scottish jigs and reels which Quo have always loved. Agreed. But, its actually based on an English folk song called Darby Kelly. Listen to this traditional version. And I think we can hear how different it is to Gerdundula and the jig in Roadhouse.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 19, 2016 21:57:17 GMT
Bearing in mind I have completely lost count whom I am replying to, and although I know now that I am but a second-generation, middlecore fan (even though I am old enough to be first generation), and a mere cardi wearer, and even though Andy is a sterling contributor of very long standing (not to mention the one in the best shape of any of the old guard even though he is the oldest by some margin, go that Andy), and I think very highly of Rhino, nonetheless I know that "the Quo" is Francis, Alan, Rick and Spud. I say this not to denigrate any other incarnation of the band, nor to call anything shite, but just because I think it is an incontestable and eternal truth. IMHO. PS Too Far Gone is a great track, fast, choppy, a bit shouty, the kind of song that when it comes on the radio makes me spill my breakfast cuppa round the kitchen, headbang and generally forget my troubles for a few minutes. Pure Quo. It's a pity they didn't play it live in my time. PPS I'm pretty sure Gerdundula comes from a Classical source, but I don't know what. I heard it once. I thought it was Beethoven, but a friend who knows Beethoven tells me it isn't. Whatever it was, it was about 1/10th the speed of Gerdy.
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 21:58:34 GMT
Interesting that you compare Burning Bridges to Irish/Scottish jigs and reels which Quo have always loved. Agreed. But, its actually based on an English folk song called Darby Kelly. Listen to this traditional version. And I think we can hear how different it is to Gerdundula and the jig in Roadhouse. Yes, I know this song. But why does the promo video for BB feature Scottish dancers and kilts? Here it is (blocked in UK):
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 22:00:31 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of Mountain Lady but its definitely a rock song to my ears. Listening to it again now, the synths give it a pop feel but I don't hear a pop song. And produced differently, I think I'd really enjoy it. Magic, I did not know and checked it out on youtube. But that is a pop song to my ears and quite different. Compare Magic to Lonely Night (B-side to Break The Rules), more or less the same feel.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 19, 2016 22:00:53 GMT
Interesting that you compare Burning Bridges to Irish/Scottish jigs and reels which Quo have always loved. Agreed. But, its actually based on an English folk song called Darby Kelly. Listen to this traditional version. And I think we can hear how different it is to Gerdundula and the jig in Roadhouse. Yes, I know this song. But why does the promo video for BB feature Scottish dancers and kilts? Here it is (blocked in UK): No idea. My point is that the song sounds quite different to a Scottish jig. But maybe you don't hear the difference. I understand as we all experience things differently.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 19, 2016 22:02:18 GMT
Interesting that you compare Burning Bridges to Irish/Scottish jigs and reels which Quo have always loved. Agreed. But, its actually based on an English folk song called Darby Kelly. Listen to this traditional version. And I think we can hear how different it is to Gerdundula and the jig in Roadhouse. Yes, I know this song. But why does the promo video for BB feature Scottish dancers and kilts? Here it is (blocked in UK): It was that or Morris dancers. Go figure.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 19, 2016 22:03:11 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of Mountain Lady but its definitely a rock song to my ears. Listening to it again now, the synths give it a pop feel but I don't hear a pop song. And produced differently, I think I'd really enjoy it. Magic, I did not know and checked it out on youtube. But that is a pop song to my ears and quite different. Compare Magic to Lonely Night (B-side to Break The Rules), more or less the same feel. Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears.
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Post by Detroit on Oct 19, 2016 22:06:17 GMT
Compare Magic to Lonely Night (B-side to Break The Rules), more or less the same feel. Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears. This
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Post by kachunk on Oct 19, 2016 22:13:51 GMT
Compare Magic to Lonely Night (B-side to Break The Rules), more or less the same feel. Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears. Same here CG. I cannot hear any similarity between Lonely Night and Magic. The tempo and feel are totally different for each track.
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Post by kachunk on Oct 19, 2016 22:23:55 GMT
Alan was a founding member that was with Quo for 24 years. Andy being promoted to number three after Alan was forced out of the band,doesn't make him Alan's equal. Andy has made his own contribution to the band and nobody is denying this but Alan,like John,was fundamentally part of the reason why Quo became so big during the '70's. All the great rock bands obviously had great songs,great guitarists and great melodies.But what they also all had was a great rhythm section and for a boogie band,the rhythm section had to be a great team and Alan and John certainly were. When all is said and done,Andy was and still is the keyboard player in a guitar band.His contributions fill the sound out but they are not THE sound of Quo. Personally I can't imagine Quo's boogie music without Andy's honky-tonk piano. Quo had it on Piledriver (played by Rick apparently), on Hello (Andy B) and anytime since 1977. RAOTW intro, which makes the song, is Andy. Well, too many songs to mention. Yeah, all rhythm parts are filling the sound, drums, bass, rhythm-guitar... A couple of tracks on Piledriver had piano and Andy played on one track each on Hello and Blue For You.They weren't a band who relied on piano to get their sound.It was used occasionally where needed to add a different colour to the recording. As for RAOTW,yes Andy's intro is the signature feature of the song but did you hear John Eden's remix of the RAOTW album?. The keyboard parts have either been removed or mixed well down into the track. That tells it's own story.
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 22:42:06 GMT
Compare Magic to Lonely Night (B-side to Break The Rules), more or less the same feel. Well, again we hear things differently. I love Lonely Night which has a groove about it. But couldn't get through all of Magic. I'm not a fan of Rossi/Frost songs full stop. And Lonely Night sounds nothing like one to my ears. So you don't like such Frantic Four songs as Shady Lady, Lies, I'm Giving Up My Worryin', Let Me Fly, Someone Show Me Home, Come Rock With Me/Rockin' On, Runaway, What You're Proposin', Rock'n'Roll, Never Too Late, Riverside... ? Of course the grove is different because there's ca. 15 years between the songs! Find me a band who's got the same grove over such a long period!
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