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Post by Detroit on Oct 18, 2016 16:31:51 GMT
I think other board members would base 'membership' of the band on songwriting and shaping the evolution and direction of the band.The difference between what was on stage in March 2013 and what has been on offer since 86 was enormous. Andy's writing contribution is enormous, he wrote lots of great songs, Andy co-wrote even more songs than Alan in 1978-1983 (18:12), he's the main writer of WYW, he plays keyboards, guitars, harmonica, he's a very influential part of Quo's sound since late 70's whether you like it or not. Did JC write a song on his own? Never. So yes, even by your criteria Andy is THE member. Same logic applies to Rhino. How about Rossi? He wrote one I think (POMM), and it took a toilet bowl to do it.
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Post by deardron on Oct 18, 2016 16:38:19 GMT
Quo's original line-up in 1962 - FR, AL, Jess Jaworski, Alan Key. No RP, no JC, no Roy Lynes. So what? Andy having been a member of the band for 40 years (or 43, taking into account his participation in Hello sessions) and Rhino for 30 years, i.e. for a much longer time than Alan and John C, I think they deserve to be considered in the same category as the original members. Andy first became an official member in 1982 (34 years ago). He was a member of the band since 1976, in 1982 he just was offered some official rights, who cares. He co-wrote one of the band's greatest hits WYW in 1979 and co-wrote a lot of songs for Quo in those years. You don't consider them, but I do and everyone in the Quo camps does too. "Hired musicians" staying in a band for 30-40 years- this is something that only exists in your mind. I think their writing contribution has been much better than Alan's who wrote a good deal of embarassing stuff that had nothing to do with the Quo style: Big Man, You Don't Own Me, Too Far Gone etc.
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Post by deardron on Oct 18, 2016 16:43:44 GMT
Andy's writing contribution is enormous, he wrote lots of great songs, Andy co-wrote even more songs than Alan in 1978-1983 (18:12), he's the main writer of WYW, he plays keyboards, guitars, harmonica, he's a very influential part of Quo's sound since late 70's whether you like it or not. Did JC write a song on his own? Never. So yes, even by your criteria Andy is THE member. Same logic applies to Rhino. How about Rossi? He wrote one I think (POMM), and it took a toilet bowl to do it. Just some hired session musician, no more
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Oct 18, 2016 16:45:13 GMT
Tango!
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Post by clonesydney on Oct 18, 2016 20:35:20 GMT
I think other board members would base 'membership' of the band on songwriting and shaping the evolution and direction of the band.The difference between what was on stage in March 2013 and what has been on offer since 86 was enormous. Andy's writing contribution is enormous, he wrote lots of great songs, Andy co-wrote even more songs than Alan in 1978-1983 (18:12), he's the main writer of WYW, he plays keyboards, guitars, harmonica, he's a very influential part of Quo's sound since late 70's whether you like it or not. Did JC write a song on his own? Never. So yes, even by your criteria Andy is THE member. Same logic applies to Rhino. Whatever You Want is extremely average, Bown has nothing to do with writing any of Quo's classic material.
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Post by kachunk on Oct 18, 2016 21:48:53 GMT
Andy first became an official member in 1982 (34 years ago). He was a member of the band since 1976, in 1982 he just was offered some official rights, who cares. He co-wrote one of the band's greatest hits WYW in 1979 and co-wrote a lot of songs for Quo in those years. You don't consider them, but I do and everyone in the Quo camps does too. "Hired musicians" staying in a band for 30-40 years- this is something that only exists in your mind. I think their writing contribution has been much better than Alan's who wrote a good deal of embarassing stuff that had nothing to do with the Quo style: Big Man, You Don't Own Me, Too Far Gone etc. Steve Morse has been in Deep Purple longer than Ritchie Blackmore ever was,but nobody will ever suggest that Morse's era was the superior one. Andy Bown is a good musician who was a good songwriting partner for Rick in the late '70's/early '80's.The sound of the band changed when John Coghlan left (even though Pete Kircher did a sterling job) and the sound drastically changed when Alan Lancaster left.The sound of the band didn't change in 2000/2001 when Paul Hirsh temporarily replaced Andy. And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 22:22:52 GMT
Andy first became an official member in 1982 (34 years ago). He was a member of the band since 1976, in 1982 he just was offered some official rights, who cares. He co-wrote one of the band's greatest hits WYW in 1979 and co-wrote a lot of songs for Quo in those years. You don't consider them, but I do and everyone in the Quo camps does too. "Hired musicians" staying in a band for 30-40 years- this is something that only exists in your mind. I think their writing contribution has been much better than Alan's who wrote a good deal of embarassing stuff that had nothing to do with the Quo style: Big Man, You Don't Own Me, Too Far Gone etc. "Original members" is a category, pertaining to 1967 when the band known as Traffic Jam plus Rick Parfitt became Status Quo. Only five people can ever be considered "original members" - Rossi, Parfitt, Lancaster, Coghlan, Lynes. Whether you think Andy or Rhino's contributions are greater than that of Alan and John or not is a completely different matter, but they (Andy and Rhino) cannot be called "original members" since they were not in the band in 1967.
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Post by deardron on Oct 18, 2016 22:50:11 GMT
And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?. Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo.
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Oct 19, 2016 4:33:35 GMT
And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?. Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. To put it in Norwegian: It's all a matter of taste. I believe that Alan and John very much contributed to the sound that sold the Quo. Revealed in the reunion tours. A thing that you can't say about the hired men. To create is one thing, to administer and take care of is another. Imo.
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Post by markquo on Oct 19, 2016 5:16:09 GMT
Quo's original line-up in 1962 - FR, AL, Jess Jaworski, Alan Key. No RP, no JC, no Roy Lynes. So what? Andy having been a member of the band for 40 years (or 43, taking into account his participation in Hello sessions) and Rhino for 30 years, i.e. for a much longer time than Alan and John C, I think they deserve to be considered in the same category as the original members. 34 years joined 82 check your vinyl Cheers
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Post by per on Oct 19, 2016 5:54:20 GMT
Andy first became an official member in 1982 (34 years ago). He was a member of the band since 1976, in 1982 he just was offered some official rights, who cares. He co-wrote one of the band's greatest hits WYW in 1979 and co-wrote a lot of songs for Quo in those years. You don't consider them, but I do and everyone in the Quo camps does too. "Hired musicians" staying in a band for 30-40 years- this is something that only exists in your mind. I think their writing contribution has been much better than Alan's who wrote a good deal of embarassing stuff that had nothing to do with the Quo style: Big Man, You Don't Own Me, Too Far Gone etc. Yes I know (of course) that Andy has contributed with lots of great songwriting already in the seventies, but so has also Bob. And neither of them was an official band member back then..Your argument that Andy has been more important than Alan because of some embarrasing songs seems a bit weak - if the amount of written embarrasing songs would be the tool to decide who's an "real member" none of Quos songwriters - past or present - would pass the test...
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Post by Victor on Oct 19, 2016 7:00:34 GMT
And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?. Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. That's just a matter of taste. Someone's learning may be of it's time, doesn't mean the quality decreased of it. I don't see how the likes of Burning Bridges could ever even compete with a quality song like Someone's learning.
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Post by clonesydney on Oct 19, 2016 9:37:41 GMT
And to say that Andy and Rhino have written better songs than Alan Lancaster is simply unbelievable. What songs have those two written that compares to say,Someone's Learning?. Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. All of which are crap and as for Burning Bridges any fool can rip off an ancient folk song note for note . That isn't songwriting.
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Post by charles on Oct 19, 2016 9:49:02 GMT
Burning Bridges is better than Too Far Gone? Name calling is not allowed on here says mod, although I believe at least one of 'em would sometimes lift the ban.
This is such a time.
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 10:23:32 GMT
Burning Bridges is better than Too Far Gone? Name calling is not allowed on here says mod, although I believe at least one of 'em would sometimes lift the ban. This is such a time. Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty?
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