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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 10:26:13 GMT
Burning Bridges, Warning Shot, Bad News among many others. Someone's Learning was child of its time, I've never seen it as a standard of post-71 Quo. All of which are crap and as for Burning Bridges any fool can rip off an ancient folk song note for note . That isn't songwriting. You think it's crap, many people like me adore these songs. There's much more to BB than just the piece of that folk song. Everyone has heard this song, but only Andy with Francis succeeded to make a TOP10 hit out of it. I've used it as my ringtone for 9 years and not going to change it soon, just for you to know
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 10:31:25 GMT
Yes I know (of course) that Andy has contributed with lots of great songwriting already in the seventies, but so has also Bob. And neither of them was an official band member back then..Your argument that Andy has been more important than Alan because of some embarrasing songs seems a bit weak - if the amount of written embarrasing songs would be the tool to decide who's an "real member" none of Quos songwriters - past or present - would pass the test... You misunderstood what I've wrote. I don't rate Andy higher or lower than Alan, both of them did an enormous contribution to Quo, each in his own way. I just disagree with the thesis that Andy should be in the second category of Quo members after his great 40+ years service to the band.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 19, 2016 10:33:33 GMT
Quo's original line-up in 1962 - FR, AL, Jess Jaworski, Alan Key. No RP, no JC, no Roy Lynes. So what? Andy having been a member of the band for 40 years (or 43, taking into account his participation in Hello sessions) and Rhino for 30 years, i.e. for a much longer time than Alan and John C, I think they deserve to be considered in the same category as the original members. Why ? They haven't or recorded anything that matches the output before their arrival. They could be in for a hundred years and their contribution would be less. They are after all standing on the shoulders of giants.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 19, 2016 10:36:09 GMT
I think other board members would base 'membership' of the band on songwriting and shaping the evolution and direction of the band.The difference between what was on stage in March 2013 and what has been on offer since 86 was enormous. Andy's writing contribution is enormous, he wrote lots of great songs, Andy co-wrote even more songs than Alan in 1978-1983 (18:12), he's the main writer of WYW, he plays keyboards, guitars, harmonica, he's a very influential part of Quo's sound since late 70's whether you like it or not. Did JC write a song on his own? Never. So yes, even by your criteria Andy is THE member. Same logic applies to Rhino. Maybe that's why they went downhill. Andys influence was not for the better.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 19, 2016 10:45:22 GMT
I can understand people liking some stuff better than others.
Yes I dislike BB it's simply not for me. But why refer some of Alan's writing as embarrassing. I am not going to defend Big man. It's up there with the worst songs Status Quo re order.
What some fans of substandard Quo don't get is, they used to be so much better and the changes to the band made them move away from what they were. You certainly don't get many fans who think they were at there best any time post '81.
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Post by kachunk on Oct 19, 2016 11:38:56 GMT
Burning Bridges is better than Too Far Gone? Name calling is not allowed on here says mod, although I believe at least one of 'em would sometimes lift the ban. This is such a time. Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty? BB,like Marguerita Time and Anniversary Waltz,is a novelty single and novelty singles generally sit well with the public.Whether BB has a great riff or not,it was written by somebody else decades ago and Andy only claimed it because the original was out of copyright. Slow Train (in full) has never been played live nor appeared on any compilation album,so does that mean that BB is better than that one as well?.
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Post by kachunk on Oct 19, 2016 12:24:05 GMT
Yes I know (of course) that Andy has contributed with lots of great songwriting already in the seventies, but so has also Bob. And neither of them was an official band member back then..Your argument that Andy has been more important than Alan because of some embarrasing songs seems a bit weak - if the amount of written embarrasing songs would be the tool to decide who's an "real member" none of Quos songwriters - past or present - would pass the test... You misunderstood what I've wrote. I don't rate Andy higher or lower than Alan, both of them did an enormous contribution to Quo, each in his own way. I just disagree with the thesis that Andy should be in the second category of Quo members after his great 40+ years service to the band. Alan was a founding member that was with Quo for 24 years. Andy being promoted to number three after Alan was forced out of the band,doesn't make him Alan's equal. Andy has made his own contribution to the band and nobody is denying this but Alan,like John,was fundamentally part of the reason why Quo became so big during the '70's. All the great rock bands obviously had great songs,great guitarists and great melodies.But what they also all had was a great rhythm section and for a boogie band,the rhythm section had to be a great team and Alan and John certainly were. When all is said and done,Andy was and still is the keyboard player in a guitar band.His contributions fill the sound out but they are not THE sound of Quo.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 19, 2016 15:05:49 GMT
I can understand people liking some stuff better than others. Yes I dislike BB it's simply not for me. But why refer some of Alan's writing as embarrassing. I am not going to defend Big man. It's up there with the worst songs Status Quo re order. What some fans of substandard Quo don't get is, they used to be so much better and the changes to the band made them move away from what they were. You certainly don't get many fans who think they were at there best any time post '81. The band changed in 1977 theres no doubt about that. Live they stayed the same but in the studio it was very different. There's lots of factors though. Andy joining in the studio and live changed the sound, Alan moving to Oz changed how he interacted with the band, Rick and Francis off their heads. Bob Young being ousted. All of these things happened that year after that they were not the same band as they were between 1970-1977. 1977-1981 still had good moments this is true, however for me there is not much difference between the music of 1982 through to 1989.
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Post by gav on Oct 19, 2016 15:45:18 GMT
Burning Bridges is better than Too Far Gone? Name calling is not allowed on here says mod, although I believe at least one of 'em would sometimes lift the ban. This is such a time. Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty? TFG is on arguably their best compilation...."To Be Or Not To Be"
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 19, 2016 15:59:14 GMT
I can understand people liking some stuff better than others. Yes I dislike BB it's simply not for me. But why refer some of Alan's writing as embarrassing. I am not going to defend Big man. It's up there with the worst songs Status Quo re order. What some fans of substandard Quo don't get is, they used to be so much better and the changes to the band made them move away from what they were. You certainly don't get many fans who think they were at there best any time post '81. The band changed in 1977 theres no doubt about that. Live they stayed the same but in the studio it was very different. There's lots of factors though. Andy joining in the studio and live changed the sound, Alan moving to Oz changed how he interacted with the band, Rick and Francis off their heads. Bob Young being ousted. All of these things happened that year after that they were not the same band as they were between 1970-1977. 1977-1981 still had good moments this is true, however for me there is not much difference between the music of 1982 through to 1989. There are for me a lot of music made in the Period 77-81 that has little in common with what followed with their newer worse direction. As for for 86-89 I really wouldn't know but I doubt that there is anything that compares musically to Rockers rollin,Who asked you, Mountain lady or Breaking away. If so they are hidden gems as the few times I've listened to the late 80s albums I think they are dreadful.
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Post by charles on Oct 19, 2016 21:14:34 GMT
Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty? Mr. Blobby was a hit single released a mere 5 years later than your all time classic. It was aimed at the same crowd, had a similar musical finesse and made it to the number one spot without the tedious football affiliation. By your reasoning it's a superior song. Change your ring tone pronto.
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Post by per on Oct 19, 2016 21:27:41 GMT
Yes I know (of course) that Andy has contributed with lots of great songwriting already in the seventies, but so has also Bob. And neither of them was an official band member back then..Your argument that Andy has been more important than Alan because of some embarrasing songs seems a bit weak - if the amount of written embarrasing songs would be the tool to decide who's an "real member" none of Quos songwriters - past or present - would pass the test...[/ ]You misunderstood what I've wrote. I don't rate Andy higher or lower than Alan, both of them did an enormous contribution to Quo, each in his own way. I just disagree with the thesis that Andy should be in the second category of Quo members after his great 40+ years service to the band. Ok, I see your point now, and I do understand that some fans may think like this, but I will never agree. For me the original line-up - real Quo - was and will always be Frame, Nuff, Spud and Reg. If some fifth person deserves to get credits for what they achieved during the magic era it would be Bob. Yes, Andy is a great songwriter and a fantastic musician, but in my book he will never get as much cred as the FF and/or Bob. But that's my opinion of course :-)
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 21:33:17 GMT
The band changed in 1977 theres no doubt about that. Live they stayed the same but in the studio it was very different. There's lots of factors though. Andy joining in the studio and live changed the sound, Alan moving to Oz changed how he interacted with the band, Rick and Francis off their heads. Bob Young being ousted. All of these things happened that year after that they were not the same band as they were between 1970-1977. 1977-1981 still had good moments this is true, however for me there is not much difference between the music of 1982 through to 1989. There are for me a lot of music made in the Period 77-81 that has little in common with what followed with their newer worse direction. As for for 86-89 I really wouldn't know but I doubt that there is anything that compares musically to Rockers rollin,Who asked you, Mountain lady or Breaking away. If so they are hidden gems as the few times I've listened to the late 80s albums I think they are dreadful. Mountain Lady is a very much 80's poppy song, musically I don't see a conceptual difference between this one and Magic or Throw Her A Line. Breaking Away - compare it to Power Of Rock. Who Asked You - Rollin' Home and its B-side Keep Me Guessing. Can't see such a big difference except that songs from the late 80's differ a bit from songs from the late 70's as much as songs from the late 70's differ from songs from the early 70's. Still it's 100% Quo!
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 21:35:20 GMT
Yeah, BB is an all time classic and has got a great riff. Too Far Gone is one of the worst that ever came from this band. BB went to No. 5 and to No 1. as Come On You Reds, whereas TFG is kept from the public eye and is even not on any compilation, let alone the live set list. What did you find in this ditty? TFG is on arguably their best compilation...."To Be Or Not To Be" Okay, this one escaped my mind... but just because TFG once was a B-side
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Post by deardron on Oct 19, 2016 21:39:46 GMT
You misunderstood what I've wrote. I don't rate Andy higher or lower than Alan, both of them did an enormous contribution to Quo, each in his own way. I just disagree with the thesis that Andy should be in the second category of Quo members after his great 40+ years service to the band. Alan was a founding member that was with Quo for 24 years. Andy being promoted to number three after Alan was forced out of the band,doesn't make him Alan's equal. Andy has made his own contribution to the band and nobody is denying this but Alan,like John,was fundamentally part of the reason why Quo became so big during the '70's. All the great rock bands obviously had great songs,great guitarists and great melodies.But what they also all had was a great rhythm section and for a boogie band,the rhythm section had to be a great team and Alan and John certainly were. When all is said and done,Andy was and still is the keyboard player in a guitar band.His contributions fill the sound out but they are not THE sound of Quo. Personally I can't imagine Quo's boogie music without Andy's honky-tonk piano. Quo had it on Piledriver (played by Rick apparently), on Hello (Andy B) and anytime since 1977. RAOTW intro, which makes the song, is Andy. Well, too many songs to mention. Yeah, all rhythm parts are filling the sound, drums, bass, rhythm-guitar...
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