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Post by dennis on Jul 26, 2016 18:33:15 GMT
I'm not really very interested in the "personalities", I'm just interested in the sound & the groove. "Status Quo" completely lost it in 1986, imo. I prefer to see John Coghlan's Quo than Francis Rossi's Status Quo Show any day.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 11, 2016 16:07:02 GMT
Just had an email from Ticketmaster promoting Quo's NEC gig. There's a pic of Rick n Francis, and quotes from both of them. How many fans know Rick won't or might not be there? I think it's borderline dishonest to promote the tour this way in the current circumstances. And with tickets starting at £54, it ain't cheap
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 11, 2016 16:34:32 GMT
It makes me laugh when people say Quo is not Quo without Rick. Status Quo has been going for 50 years, only 15 of which had Frame, Nuff, Spud & Regg in the band. Was it still Status Quo after John left? I thought it still was. Was it still Status Quo after Alan left? Not really, but I've had 30 years to get used to the idea. Is it still Status Quo when Rick is not in it? Well it still sounds pretty much the same. When I went to see Francis play his solo tour and he played all those great never before heard Quo songs like Claudie & You'll Come Round etc., I enjoyed it so much more than any Quo gig I'd been to recently at the time. I don't think a group of musicians could go out on stage without Francis Rossi and call themselves Status Quo. It's really just about the music. I've enjoyed a variety of Quo tribute bands recently, and none of them have got any original band members in it, but I've enjoyed it because of the music. I'll enjoy watching 'Status Quo' because of the authenticity of Francis Rossi's voice and guitar playing, but that's about it. They've been on karaoke autopilot for so long now, that it's pointless to start picking holes in it now. It is what it is. Some of us have been noticing and complaining since 86! So if you think the decision is based on insurance and you don't think they can go on stage without Rossi, What would they have done? Cancelled ? And so it is alright for the band to lose money if you are right for Rossi but not Parfitt?
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 11, 2016 21:32:56 GMT
My guess is that Francis is not the majority shareholder, but might as well be. They are in a parlous situation, with the health of one of the principals being shaky, but I reckon they will start the tour with Rick, and that is what they are counting on. Insurance doesn't "save" a big loss these days, it just tides it over. Francis is very aware of this, he said so. If they really though Rick would not be ready for the winter tour, I think they would have postponed the whole lot into next year already, probably a cheaper option than having a string of cancellations at short notice.
Quo without Francis? "That would be a turn up for the books" but I don't think this will happen this year. He's looked after himself better.
I don't know what the "faith" situation is within the band these days, but I suspect there is a certain amount of prayer going down somewhere ...
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 12, 2016 4:48:19 GMT
My guess is that Francis is not the majority shareholder, but might as well be. They are in a parlous situation, with the health of one of the principals being shaky, but I reckon they will start the tour with Rick, and that is what they are counting on. Insurance doesn't "save" a big loss these days, it just tides it over. Francis is very aware of this, he said so. If they really though Rick would not be ready for the winter tour, I think they would have postponed the whole lot into next year already, probably a cheaper option than having a string of cancellations at short notice. Quo without Francis? "That would be a turn up for the books" but I don't think this will happen this year. He's looked after himself better. I don't know what the "faith" situation is within the band these days, but I suspect there is a certain amount of prayer going down somewhere ... My understanding of the voting rights in their company is that Francis, Rick and the manager have equal votes with Andy and Rhino having a smaller voting share. I believe Francis and the manager voting together can out vote the others. I could be wrong.
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Post by madtom on Aug 12, 2016 8:38:34 GMT
My guess is that Francis is not the majority shareholder, but might as well be. They are in a parlous situation, with the health of one of the principals being shaky, but I reckon they will start the tour with Rick, and that is what they are counting on. Insurance doesn't "save" a big loss these days, it just tides it over. Francis is very aware of this, he said so. If they really though Rick would not be ready for the winter tour, I think they would have postponed the whole lot into next year already, probably a cheaper option than having a string of cancellations at short notice. Quo without Francis? "That would be a turn up for the books" but I don't think this will happen this year. He's looked after himself better. I don't know what the "faith" situation is within the band these days, but I suspect there is a certain amount of prayer going down somewhere ... My understanding of the voting rights in their company is that Francis, Rick and the manager have equal votes with Andy and Rhino having a smaller voting share. I believe Francis and the manager voting together can out vote the others. I could be wrong. The last time I looked, Francis & Rick had 35% each, Andy & Rhino had 15% each. But that's just their limited company which might only be used to channel the toring income through. I suspect that the brand name might be held outside of this company as, as far as I'm aware, Andy and Rhino aren't owners of "Status Quo". Pure speculation though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 9:03:49 GMT
I would never have stopped to think about majority shareholders and brands back in the FF hey-day. It was about the rock music and having the most harmless and good natured of riots essentially letsrock
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 12, 2016 9:07:45 GMT
I would never have stopped to think about majority shareholders and brands back in the FF hey-day. It was about the rock music and having the most harmless and good natured of riots essentially letsrock
Me neither. But in those days they always delivered on record and live.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Aug 12, 2016 10:56:22 GMT
Put the boot on the other foot, If Rossi had been taken i'll would they have got a stand in replacement and carried on..? I don't think so No, but they probably have insurance to cover Francis absence, where as there's a good chance they can't get or can't afford insurance for Rick now.....so their insurance for Rick is to have Freddie on standby as a stand in.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Aug 12, 2016 11:05:50 GMT
It makes me laugh when people say Quo is not Quo without Rick. Status Quo has been going for 50 years, only 15 of which had Frame, Nuff, Spud & Regg in the band. Was it still Status Quo after John left? I thought it still was. Was it still Status Quo after Alan left? Not really, but I've had 30 years to get used to the idea. Is it still Status Quo when Rick is not in it? Well it still sounds pretty much the same. When I went to see Francis play his solo tour and he played all those great never before heard Quo songs like Claudie & You'll Come Round etc., I enjoyed it so much more than any Quo gig I'd been to recently at the time. I don't think a group of musicians could go out on stage without Francis Rossi and call themselves Status Quo. It's really just about the music. I've enjoyed a variety of Quo tribute bands recently, and none of them have got any original band members in it, but I've enjoyed it because of the music. I'll enjoy watching 'Status Quo' because of the authenticity of Francis Rossi's voice and guitar playing, but that's about it. They've been on karaoke autopilot for so long now, that it's pointless to start picking holes in it now. It is what it is. I know it's a month since you wrote this now, but this is exactly what I've been saying in response to people who are upset about Quo continuing without Rick. The only thing I've added is about the band name; I think that makes a big difference to people. If current Quo were touring as Francis Rossi's Quo (with the same lineup and the same setlist) I don't think we'd be having all the arguments / discussions that have been had on here recently (it would be more accepted). If Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr toured together and played Beatles songs no-one would bat an eyelid; if they toured as The Beatles with 2 session musicians, some people would be in uproar! When Francis did his solo tour, they played a lot of Quo songs and it was very enjoyable, but they weren't called Status Quo. State of Quo can be brilliant, but they aren't called Status Quo; so what difference does the name make. Also I think part of the difference between Francis and Rick, is that they will probably have insurance to cover Francis if he is ill where as they can't get it, can't afford it, or can't get it for certain things (like heart issues) for Rick....so their insurance for Rick being ill is to have Freddie ready to fill in. When they can no longer get insurance cover for Francis, that is definitely time to stop!
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 12, 2016 11:12:08 GMT
It makes me laugh when people say Quo is not Quo without Rick. Status Quo has been going for 50 years, only 15 of which had Frame, Nuff, Spud & Regg in the band. Was it still Status Quo after John left? I thought it still was. Was it still Status Quo after Alan left? Not really, but I've had 30 years to get used to the idea. Is it still Status Quo when Rick is not in it? Well it still sounds pretty much the same. When I went to see Francis play his solo tour and he played all those great never before heard Quo songs like Claudie & You'll Come Round etc., I enjoyed it so much more than any Quo gig I'd been to recently at the time. I don't think a group of musicians could go out on stage without Francis Rossi and call themselves Status Quo. It's really just about the music. I've enjoyed a variety of Quo tribute bands recently, and none of them have got any original band members in it, but I've enjoyed it because of the music. I'll enjoy watching 'Status Quo' because of the authenticity of Francis Rossi's voice and guitar playing, but that's about it. They've been on karaoke autopilot for so long now, that it's pointless to start picking holes in it now. It is what it is. I know it's a month since you wrote this now, but this is exactly what I've been saying in response to people who are upset about Quo continuing without Rick. The only thing I've added is about the band name; I think that makes a big difference to people. If current Quo were touring as Francis Rossi's Quo (with the same lineup and the same setlist) I don't think we'd be having all the arguments / discussions that have been had on here recently (it would be more accepted). If Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr toured together and played Beatles songs no-one would bat an eyelid; if they toured as The Beatles with 2 session musicians, some people would be in uproar! When Francis did his solo tour, they played a lot of Quo songs and it was very enjoyable, but they weren't called Status Quo. State of Quo can be brilliant, but they aren't called Status Quo; so what difference does the name make. Also I think part of the difference between Francis and Rick, is that they will probably have insurance to cover Francis if he is ill where as they can't get it, can't afford it, or can't get it for certain things (like heart issues) for Rick....so their insurance for Rick being ill is to have Freddie ready to fill in. When they can no longer get insurance cover for Francis, that is definitely time to stop! Status Quo fans should still be offered a refund. As they are not getting what they paid to see. About 20 people in the audience would pay to see Rhino sing a song.
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Aug 12, 2016 13:13:28 GMT
I know it's a month since you wrote this now, but this is exactly what I've been saying in response to people who are upset about Quo continuing without Rick. The only thing I've added is about the band name; I think that makes a big difference to people. If current Quo were touring as Francis Rossi's Quo (with the same lineup and the same setlist) I don't think we'd be having all the arguments / discussions that have been had on here recently (it would be more accepted). If Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr toured together and played Beatles songs no-one would bat an eyelid; if they toured as The Beatles with 2 session musicians, some people would be in uproar! When Francis did his solo tour, they played a lot of Quo songs and it was very enjoyable, but they weren't called Status Quo. State of Quo can be brilliant, but they aren't called Status Quo; so what difference does the name make. Also I think part of the difference between Francis and Rick, is that they will probably have insurance to cover Francis if he is ill where as they can't get it, can't afford it, or can't get it for certain things (like heart issues) for Rick....so their insurance for Rick being ill is to have Freddie ready to fill in. When they can no longer get insurance cover for Francis, that is definitely time to stop! Status Quo fans should still be offered a refund. As they are not getting what they paid to see. About 20 people in the audience would pay to see Rhino sing a song. I've always said that in my opinion people who ask for a refund should be offered one (although if they didnt know Rick was going to be absent so they went to the gig, it then gets a bit messy because they've actiually taken in the show). I'd say that the band have probably taken legal advice on this and there's a good chance that they would win the argument in court about the band being classed as Status Quo. It is probably a can of worms though. If Francis went to court to win the rights to the Quo name, he would probably get it and could tour with any other musicians as Status Quo (like Mick Hucknall does as Simply Red). But on the other hand, Rick is always part of the publicity, and is currently equal shareholder with Francis in the band, so people could argue that last time a decision was made in court, Francis AND Rick were deemed to be Quo and that is what they expected to see. Although some peope would say it is.....it's never straight forward!
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 12, 2016 15:15:47 GMT
Status Quo fans should still be offered a refund. As they are not getting what they paid to see. About 20 people in the audience would pay to see Rhino sing a song. I've always said that in my opinion people who ask for a refund should be offered one (although if they didnt know Rick was going to be absent so they went to the gig, it then gets a bit messy because they've actiually taken in the show). I'd say that the band have probably taken legal advice on this and there's a good chance that they would win the argument in court about the band being classed as Status Quo. It is probably a can of worms though. If Francis went to court to win the rights to the Quo name, he would probably get it and could tour with any other musicians as Status Quo (like Mick Hucknall does as Simply Red). But on the other had, Rick is always part of the publicity, and is currently equal shareholder with Francis in the band, so people could argue that last time a decision was made in court, Francis AND Rick were deemed to be Quo and that is what they expected to see. Although some peope would say it is.....it's never straight forward! When Brian didn't tour with 'DC. I was told legally they don't have to offer a refund as I bought an Ac/DC ticket and they would be performing. But they decided to offer one. So I guess that's why they are not offering refunds. They could but have decided not to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 21:50:54 GMT
I would never have stopped to think about majority shareholders and brands back in the FF hey-day. It was about the rock music and having the most harmless and good natured of riots essentially letsrock
there are enough songs by Motorhead, Sabbath, and indeed Quo, and obviously the Sex Pistols, that suggest the music industry was actually always about the money. It is just 1. we were young and daft fans back then, and 2. Thatcher hadn't yet introduced Joe Public to capitalism. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight you are quite right of course with that. Though my knowledge of Motorhead and Sabbath is very limited as I was not particular fans of them. But as far as Quo is concerned I was taken up completely by the sheer elation of the Hammy gigs and catching up with all the albums from when I had discovered them and become a massive fan in the mid 70's
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 8:36:20 GMT
This is a Black Sabbath song which is beautiful Laguna Sunrise I can transport myself on this anytime - with or without Prosecco
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