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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 24, 2016 15:31:07 GMT
Exactly! I've loved QUO since I was like 3, there's a video of when I'm singing rocking all over the world with a hockey stick as a guitar as a 3/4year old. I have always listened to them, I have always loved the music and the band. But the thing is, I am born 1988, this lineup has been around longer than I've been living. All my life, when I saw tv specials and such with QUO it was THIS lineup, therefore it's THIS lineup I've grown to love. I can't see how some people referring them to "Current" QUO when the've been around for 30 YEARS!! It's way longer than Alan or John ever was.
And for your argument they're not playing their own songs, yes they do. The songs you are referring to are Francis & Ricks songs. As an example, Caroline is as little Alan's or John's song as it is Rhino's. It's Rossi's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 17:35:29 GMT
I agree. 'Current' Quo do not have the sound of the original band. They often sound more polished, more processed. But they developed that sound over the years, and as it's not the original band anymore, I think it's only natural. The fans who grew up with the original band (I don't like the term 'FF' - they never were the 'FF' in their heyday) tend to love and prefer that shuffle, that heavy, slow and bluesy sound. I do, too. It's what Status Quo stood for. And it all changed in 1986 when the second of two original members was replaced (let's not go into when, why and how here and now) and Status Quo started to play a different kind of music. They had to somehow find themselves again, for whatever reasons. I had taken my leave by then, so I was blissfully unaware of most of their studio albums all through the 90s. And looking back, I think they were still quite loud live, but played way too fast. And although they played most of their 70s stuff, they didn't sound like the original band did in the 70s. With technical progress and different recording techniques, the band moved in a different direction over the years. In the 2000s, they sounded more modern, more polished, fast, but still loud, heavy and somehow unmistakenly Quo. And they still played most of their 70s stuff live on stage. They had attracted new fans over the years, lost some of their old ones, but they still had their Quo Army to follow them around the globe. And they still have thousands upon thousands of fans who love them and go to see them play live year after year after year. There's no denying it. Quo have become an institution. It's one thing to slag a band off because people feel cheated, betrayed, not acknowledged. There are those fans who had high hopes when the original band got together again for the two reunion tours and who still feel disappointed despite what band members and management said. And then there are the other fans, the majority of fans who have been following the band since 1986 or found them again, like me, in 2000. They appreciate Quo's still being around, they love seeing them live. There's always a great atmosphere at a Quo gig. I often wonder why they are so reluctant to change their stagnant set or to play more of their more recent material. I often wish they'd get back to a heavier, more bluesy and less polished sound again. But what can I do? If I didn't enjoy seeing them live anymore, I'd stop going to their gigs. If I didn't like their music, I wouldn't buy it. If I felt disregarded as a fan, I'd say bye-bye. And shut up about it. I wouldn't go on a rampage on a Status Quo (fans) message board and slag off band members and fans alike. Fans who hate the 'current' band so much could have left in 1986, in the 90s, whenever they felt it wasn't their Status Quo anymore. The original band was already a thing of the past when John left. We all know how and why they got together again, and we all thought it was amazing, and we all loved it, and, as I said, many fans had high hopes because of the reunion tours. But then there's the 'other' Quo, the band that has been around for 30 years now, which really isn't of a 'current' or temporary nature. It's the band that has represented Status Quo for three decades now, so it's easily comprehensible that it is this band that will play their final electric gigs this year. And apparently there's more in the pipeline. I'm so sorry if it's not what some or rather most of you on here have expected or wished for, but seen through the eyes of Quo, it is reasonable. I can only speak for myself, but I don't find too much (in that detailed and well explained post ) that represents my own position or perspective about the history of Quo.
My favourite period as a Quo fan is without doubt up to the End of the Road in 84. However studio wise, there is plenty I really like and enjoy in the following 30 period with the replacement band - most especially though RTYD, UTI, HT and the excellent (imo) ISOTFC
Unfortunately, scarcely any of that 30 yr material (in real terms) is represented, or has indeed been represented at any time. So therefore I see my appreciation of that material as significantly blunted and rendered somewhat meaningless in its purpose.
Of course there are proper dedicated fans such as on here, but I do still wonder what percentage of the annually returning numbers who regularly go to CQ gigs, most especially these days, are 'familiar' (at the least) with the back catalogue material (that represents the majority of the music they have recorded and which *should in theory* give them their own raision d'etre) That is of course, beyond the token gestures of the predictable minority within the quasi-permanency of the static set list.
Numbers of the current bands audience have been increasing year on year, and most of those are fans of Quo as a greatest hits band. These alone will give Simon Porter and the boys plenty of resources to draw on to ensure that in their eyes the 'electric tour' days close out a success.
I still am left with this thought though. I can think of artists/bands that I like and who I would enjoy live because I hold a compilation of songs of theirs which I play regularly at home and would want to see performed live But would I consider myself a long standing fan in real terms of knowing the bulk of the catalogue material and wanting to hear more of it Live necessarily? No. I wouldn't.
So, my simple question is why did the current band bother in the first place to record the majority of their own music when the bulk of the actual music they play live (as a representation of themselves) is that of their predecessors?
It seems perfectly logical to deduce from all that, that the modus operandi of management and 'current' members has been to exist largely as a covers band for the original. Despite releasing a cavern of original albums of their own material...over 30 yrs!
I find that fact, rather staggering the more I have thought about it since it hit home properly, to be honest
A main conclusion I'm left to draw on therefore, is that the post 86 band do not see their material as adequate enough a replacement to that of the original members. Its hard to try and find a way to dispute that to be honest - and I have tried to myself
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Post by madtom on Mar 24, 2016 17:42:36 GMT
The band I'm a fan of isn't touring 13 likes for Dennis' post (at the time of writing), surely a record?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 18:11:20 GMT
Exactly! I've loved QUO since I was like 3, there's a video of when I'm singing rocking all over the world with a hockey stick as a guitar as a 3/4year old. I have always listened to them, I have always loved the music and the band. But the thing is, I am born 1988, this lineup has been around longer than I've been living. All my life, when I saw tv specials and such with QUO it was THIS lineup, therefore it's THIS lineup I've grown to love. I can't see how some people referring them to "Current" QUO when the've been around for 30 YEARS!! It's way longer than Alan or John ever was. And for your argument they're not playing their own songs, yes they do. The songs you are referring to are Francis & Ricks songs. As an example, Caroline is as little Alan's or John's song as it is Rhino's. It's Rossi's. You seem to be comparing CQ and THE QUO as if CQ are the best out of the two , answer this question genuinely . The LIVE album contained a back catalogue of less then 5 years work , AWESOME album disagree ? , now if CQ where to do a LIVE album with songs dating back 5 years would it be any good ? come to think of it give me a list from the last 25 years . This band as you know it wouldn't exist if not for the legend band from the seventies .
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Post by Victor on Mar 24, 2016 18:16:18 GMT
The band I'm a fan of isn't touring 13 likes for Dennis' post (at the time of writing), surely a record?! Make that 14
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 24, 2016 18:38:54 GMT
I agree. 'Current' Quo do not have the sound of the original band. They often sound more polished, more processed. But they developed that sound over the years, and as it's not the original band anymore, I think it's only natural. The fans who grew up with the original band (I don't like the term 'FF' - they never were the 'FF' in their heyday) tend to love and prefer that shuffle, that heavy, slow and bluesy sound. I do, too. It's what Status Quo stood for. And it all changed in 1986 when the second of two original members was replaced (let's not go into when, why and how here and now) and Status Quo started to play a different kind of music. They had to somehow find themselves again, for whatever reasons. I had taken my leave by then, so I was blissfully unaware of most of their studio albums all through the 90s. And looking back, I think they were still quite loud live, but played way too fast. And although they played most of their 70s stuff, they didn't sound like the original band did in the 70s. With technical progress and different recording techniques, the band moved in a different direction over the years. In the 2000s, they sounded more modern, more polished, fast, but still loud, heavy and somehow unmistakenly Quo. And they still played most of their 70s stuff live on stage. They had attracted new fans over the years, lost some of their old ones, but they still had their Quo Army to follow them around the globe. And they still have thousands upon thousands of fans who love them and go to see them play live year after year after year. There's no denying it. Quo have become an institution. It's one thing to slag a band off because people feel cheated, betrayed, not acknowledged. There are those fans who had high hopes when the original band got together again for the two reunion tours and who still feel disappointed despite what band members and management said. And then there are the other fans, the majority of fans who have been following the band since 1986 or found them again, like me, in 2000. They appreciate Quo's still being around, they love seeing them live. There's always a great atmosphere at a Quo gig. I often wonder why they are so reluctant to change their stagnant set or to play more of their more recent material. I often wish they'd get back to a heavier, more bluesy and less polished sound again. But what can I do? If I didn't enjoy seeing them live anymore, I'd stop going to their gigs. If I didn't like their music, I wouldn't buy it. If I felt disregarded as a fan, I'd say bye-bye. And shut up about it. I wouldn't go on a rampage on a Status Quo (fans) message board and slag off band members and fans alike. Fans who hate the 'current' band so much could have left in 1986, in the 90s, whenever they felt it wasn't their Status Quo anymore. The original band was already a thing of the past when John left. We all know how and why they got together again, and we all thought it was amazing, and we all loved it, and, as I said, many fans had high hopes because of the reunion tours. But then there's the 'other' Quo, the band that has been around for 30 years now, which really isn't of a 'current' or temporary nature. It's the band that has represented Status Quo for three decades now, so it's easily comprehensible that it is this band that will play their final electric gigs this year. And apparently there's more in the pipeline. I'm so sorry if it's not what some or rather most of you on here have expected or wished for, but seen through the eyes of Quo, it is reasonable. I can only speak for myself, but I don't find too much (in that detailed and well explained post ) that represents my own position or perspective about the history of Quo.
My favourite period as a Quo fan is without doubt up to the End of the Road in 84. However studio wise, there is plenty I really like and enjoy in the following 30 period with the replacement band - most especially though RTYD, UTI, HT and the excellent (imo) ISOTFC
Unfortunately, scarcely any of that 30 yr material (in real terms) is represented, or has indeed been represented at any time. So therefore I see my appreciation of that material as significantly blunted and rendered somewhat meaningless in its purpose.
Of course there are proper dedicated fans such as on here, but I do still wonder what percentage of the annually returning numbers who regularly go to CQ gigs, most especially these days, are 'familiar' (at the least) with the back catalogue material (that represents the majority of the music they have recorded and which *should in theory* give them their own raision d'etre) That is of course, beyond the token gestures of the predictable minority within the quasi-permanency of the static set list.
Numbers of the current bands audience have been increasing year on year, and most of those are fans of Quo as a greatest hits band. These alone will give Simon Porter and the boys plenty of resources to draw on to ensure that in their eyes the 'electric tour' days close out a success.
I still am left with this thought though. I can think of artists/bands that I like and who I would enjoy live because I hold a compilation of songs of theirs which I play regularly at home and would want to see performed live But would I consider myself a long standing fan in real terms of knowing the bulk of the catalogue material and wanting to hear more of it Live necessarily? No. I wouldn't.
So, my simple question is why did the current band bother in the first place to record the majority of their own music when the bulk of the actual music they play live (as a representation of themselves) is that of their predecessors?
It seems perfectly logical to deduce from all that, that the modus operandi of management and 'current' members has been to exist largely as a covers band for the original. Despite releasing a cavern of original albums of their own material...over 30 yrs!
I find that fact, rather staggering the more I have thought about it since it hit home properly, to be honest
A main conclusion I'm left to draw on therefore, is that the post 86 band do not see their material as adequate enough a replacement to that of the original members. Its hard to try and find a way to dispute that to be honest - and I have tried to myself
As always you make many well constructed points. I do not however agree the fan base has increased as audiences have gone down, that is why they play half halls in most arenas. The curtain moves forward every year. There was a time when they legitimately sold our arenas.
For those who think Status Quo that exists today are a match for the Status Quo of yore are simply deluded.
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Post by vivfromcov on Mar 24, 2016 19:15:05 GMT
The FF reunions didn't get me excited at all.. Too slow, no energy, Coghlan ain't got it no more.. Here's an example: same song, same year, different rhythm section! CQ (as you guys seems to call them, I call them QUO!) have way more energy, it's a shame that Matt left though.. Down Down isn't my favourite but yes the Download gig is pretty good. I still prefer the reunion versions though, but that one is not so good. I prefer this one but the sound is not ideal...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 20:04:53 GMT
Exactly! I've loved QUO since I was like 3, there's a video of when I'm singing rocking all over the world with a hockey stick as a guitar as a 3/4year old. I have always listened to them, I have always loved the music and the band. But the thing is, I am born 1988, this lineup has been around longer than I've been living. All my life, when I saw tv specials and such with QUO it was THIS lineup, therefore it's THIS lineup I've grown to love. I can't see how some people referring them to "Current" QUO when the've been around for 30 YEARS!! It's way longer than Alan or John ever was. And for your argument they're not playing their own songs, yes they do. The songs you are referring to are Francis & Ricks songs. As an example, Caroline is as little Alan's or John's song as it is Rhino's. It's Rossi's. You seem to be comparing CQ and THE QUO as if CQ are the best out of the two , answer this question genuinely . The LIVE album contained a back catalogue of less then 5 years work , AWESOME album disagree ? , now if CQ where to do a LIVE album with songs dating back 5 years would it be any good ? come to think of it give me a list from the last 25 years . Thr band as you know it wouldn't exist if not for the legend band from the seventies .
Isn't it all subjective? You, piledriver, seem to think the original band is the better of the two, whereas since88 prefers 'CQ'. Don't most of us love the music we grew up with best? Is since88 therefore not a 'real' Status Quo fan? So according to most on here, a 'true' Quo fan is a fan who loves the original band and who thinks the band that got together again in 1986 is nothing but a bad copy, a covers band, a substitute. Fans who enjoy the 'current' band aren't real fans and have no idea about Quo and their music and therefore can't be taken seriously. A true Quo fan then believes that others don't get the (original) band and their music like they do. So what does that make me then? And of course the band as since88 knows it wouldn't exist if not for the legendary band from the 70s. Again, isn't it all subjective, a matter of perspective?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 20:16:02 GMT
The current band have largely not represented their own music since 1986. They have chosen instead to copy a bulk of pre 85 material.
I much would rather see the original band play their own material, irrespective of age and limitations, and CQ have taken some initiative to play their own music. However CQ haven't done this, and I think they are very open to be questioned about it.
Quite an easy criticism to explain and understand.
The majority of the material in the FF reunions was refreshingly different even from their own shows up to the End of the Road. That more than made up for any out of practice rustiness, health and age limitations. Instinct and understanding is what Quo were about and not superficial stage managed party tricks The question is - do the CQ audience own the CQ albums? Maybe that is why those songs aren't used Live...? The atmosphere would be terrible at those gigs without the recognisable hits and/or old live faves like CUOY and theO wouldn't it? Irony is, I do own all the CQ stuff - but I have never gone, and would never go, to see CQ. EDIT - apologies Cats - I see you've asked the same question. It would certainly be interesting to get some answers/feedback to the question
paradiseflats . Yes, it would have been more accurate for me to say that new greatest hits (largely copied FF songs) fans have grown at the expense of long standing fans who have felt increasingly alienated by management/band decisions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 20:58:31 GMT
You seem to be comparing CQ and THE QUO as if CQ are the best out of the two , answer this question genuinely . The LIVE album contained a back catalogue of less then 5 years work , AWESOME album disagree ? , now if CQ where to do a LIVE album with songs dating back 5 years would it be any good ? come to think of it give me a list from the last 25 years . Thr band as you know it wouldn't exist if not for the legend band from the seventies .
Isn't it all subjective? You, piledriver, seem to think the original band is the better of the two, whereas since88 prefers 'CQ'. Don't most of us love the music we grew up with best? Is since88 therefore not a 'real' Status Quo fan? So according to most on here, a 'true' Quo fan is a fan who loves the original band and who thinks the band that got together again in 1986 is nothing but a bad copy, a covers band, a substitute. Fans who enjoy the 'current' band aren't real fans and have no idea about Quo and their music and therefore can't be taken seriously. A true Quo fan then believes that others don't get the (original) band and their music like they do. So what does that make me then? And of course the band as since88 knows it wouldn't exist if not for the legendary band from the 70s. Again, isn't it all subjective, a matter of perspective? Of course everything is subjective, but frankly, any "fan" who enjoys what is essentially kids stuff (i.e. the promotion) isn't worth taking seriously. Their "loyalty" (more like obsession) has turned Quo from an average band (ITAN) into a downright joke (Bula Quo). If those fans actually realized that they were being manipulated then Quo would have ended years ago. Or at least they would have bucked up their ideas and started promoting themselves properly. It's all very well saying, "if you don't like it, ignore it/don't buy it", but I actually like some of THE MUSIC CQ have to offer (they are musicians after all), but I'm not accepting it on the basis that it gets promoted using the lowest common denominator. Call me a music snob if you like, but there's nothing wrong with being one. If an artist can't take themselves seriously then they don't deserve time/money spent on them.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Mar 24, 2016 20:58:35 GMT
I really can't see a problem with Quo mostly playing 70's stuff live. From 86 they became a greatest hits band - and there's nothing wrong with that
I'd guess that about 10% of the CQ crowd are "hardcore" and buy the albums
But "the casuals" are not really that casual - mostly they go every year
I think CQ should have played more hits / different hits
They've continued to make new albums because they've wanted to, and because hardcore fans have wanted them to
CQ get away with more non hits than a lot of other greatest hits bands could . If FF had never split up, I still think most of the set would be 70's stuff
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Post by whoaskedyou on Mar 24, 2016 21:26:03 GMT
Quite a lot to read through here.....I suppose the reason for the miffed tone is that there is no real excitement..who has got sweaty palms at the thought of getting a ticket.....compare that to when you got your FF reunion ticket...more cost, more come on down last chance bollocks ..get you place in he front etc etc and pay for it..band of the people,my arse.
Actually whilst I would far prefer to see AL and JC again ..it is the lack of rock band that is missing..all a bit middle of the road, nicey nicey wanderer wanderer if you get my drift.
Rock up a bit...mix it up more..go out with a CQ bang not a whimper or a creeping up on you..yawn yawn.
They may well surprise us with a better set or a different set ..and be more of a rock than a party band..they have it in them.
Thing is the big well known hits in the same order plus CUOY ..BOTE ..hardly get the juices flowing.
Last of the electrics..get the bloody point across in the campaign that this really will be a bit more edgy...most of us feel it will be the same old same old..that is the frustration and not the way to go out.
Oh to get down the cafe with FR and RP and Rhino as well..just a few mins to get the point across. ..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 18:28:15 GMT
The question is - do the CQ audience own the CQ albums? Maybe that is why those songs aren't used Live...? The atmosphere would be terrible at those gigs without the recognisable hits and/or old live faves like CUOY and theO wouldn't it? Irony is, I do own all the CQ stuff - but I have never gone, and would never go, to see CQ. (...) It would certainly be interesting to get some answers/feedback to the question
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Do the 'CQ' audience own the 'CQ' albums? I really don't know. I can only speak for myself here. So, 'CQ' meaning Status Quo since 1986, right? Let' see... I've got ITAN, AC and PR, but I don't listen to the albums, just to a few chosen songs from PR from time to time. ITAN and AC only gather dust on the CD/LP shelves. I've got RTYD, which I love. I've got the covers albums which I enjoy listening to every now and then. I call several live albums my own. I've got UTI, which I think is a great album, and all the rest from HT to Aquostic. So it's only TW I haven't got from the 'CQ' era. So what does that make me?? I own every single one of Quo's albums, well, except for TW, BTB, NTL and 1982. I became a fan in 1973. I saw them live for the very first time in 1974. I enjoy going to 'CQ' gigs and seeing the band live. The atmosphere at the gigs is always great. We always have a whale of a time. I prefer listening to 70s Quo. I think many, but not all of the 'current' band's album tracks are great. I'm not sure Status Quo became a 'greatest hits' band in 1986. I agree with the statement that 'casual' fans aren't really that casual because they tend to go to many, many gigs year in, year out. I also agree that 'CQ' should have played more of their more 'recent' material live. They've missed out on some great opportunities here, I think.
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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 26, 2016 19:38:21 GMT
I own most of the QUO albums. But I don't listen to them. I just hit them up on Spotify where I've got all the albums in a playlist and just hit shuffle! There are tracks that I love in every single one of them. I love QUO!
Quid Pro Quo, Heavy Traffic, Under The Influence and Thirsty Work has gotten many of plays the last couple of months though!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 20:34:22 GMT
So what does that make me?? I suspect you're angling for someone to say "not a fan". I would say that you are a fan, but like the majority of people who can be classed as fans, I think there's questions to be asked of those who go along with how Quo are promoted, whether that be enjoying the gimmicks and stunts or simply not bothering. How Quo are promoted is NOT how they should be promoted. Me not liking it is not the issue here. They are a ROCK band - NOT a kids band. Some of the promotion is disgusting in the extreme and the fact that most fans lap it up is worrying. But I guess that sums up modern Britain - full of brainless celeb/showbiz-obsessed idiots.
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