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Post by twentytwenty on Jan 12, 2021 2:23:17 GMT
This very long interveiw about the new bass player is turning into a very long thread... New bass player? Who?
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Post by stringybob on Jan 12, 2021 3:48:07 GMT
“Andrew Bown once said to me, I would always be Alan Lancaster’s replacement in the eyes of a lot of the fans. And I still am. I don’t play like Alan – I’m a different kind of player. He's really good, you know. I’m a fan of him. I don’t think he’s particularly a fan of me but that’s… I don’t give a toss to be honest.” - Edwards, 2005
15 years later and it seems Alan now "isn't very good" but at least his replacement "doesn't give a duck." Which is clearly why he mentions it again, and again, and...
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Post by wolfman on Jan 12, 2021 5:51:05 GMT
This very long interveiw about the new bass player is turning into a very long thread... New bass player? Who? didn't you know that rhino got sacked?...the new bass player is a young lad from wales..called adam..
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Post by twentytwenty on Jan 12, 2021 7:25:52 GMT
“Andrew Bown once said to me, I would always be Alan Lancaster’s replacement in the eyes of a lot of the fans. And I still am. I don’t play like Alan – I’m a different kind of player. He's really good, you know. I’m a fan of him. I don’t think he’s particularly a fan of me but that’s… I don’t give a toss to be honest.” - Edwards, 2005 15 years later and it seems Alan now "isn't very good" but at least his replacement "doesn't give a duck." Which is clearly why he mentions it again, and again, and... I understood it as he meant his playing on the reunion tours in this interview. Maybe I misinterpreted it though..
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 12, 2021 9:44:43 GMT
“Andrew Bown once said to me, I would always be Alan Lancaster’s replacement in the eyes of a lot of the fans. And I still am. I don’t play like Alan – I’m a different kind of player. He's really good, you know. I’m a fan of him. I don’t think he’s particularly a fan of me but that’s… I don’t give a toss to be honest.” - Edwards, 2005 15 years later and it seems Alan now "isn't very good" but at least his replacement "doesn't give a duck." Which is clearly why he mentions it again, and again, and... I understood it as he meant his playing on the reunion tours in this interview. Maybe I misinterpreted it though.. I thought Rhino was talking about the Reunion tours also. He did say, to my surprise, in that recent interview that he thought Alan was a good bass player but his style wasn't one he would use. On the reunion tours, when Alan had trouble holding his pick, Rhino wanted to help him but Alan didn't want that. This is what I understood from the interview.
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Post by mortified on Jan 12, 2021 11:12:44 GMT
I understood it as he meant his playing on the reunion tours in this interview. Maybe I misinterpreted it though.. I thought Rhino was talking about the Reunion tours also. He did say, to my surprise, in that recent interview that he thought Alan was a good bass player but his style wasn't one he would use. On the reunion tours, when Alan had trouble holding his pick, Rhino wanted to help him but Alan didn't want that. This is what I understood from the interview. Correct. The problem for many, if there is one, is that Alan's place in the band - and John's for that matter - was at a time when the music was perceived to be better than it is now or has been since 1986. Therefore it stands to reason that the 'replacements' would always be seen in a lesser light. Rocket science it ain't. That's just human nature. If the music is seen to be of a lesser quality - and that has been debated since Moses did the whole burning bush thing - then it is inevitable that the 'new guys' would take the flack. And even more so if one of them didn't wear studded jeans and a tight t-shirt. Because that's the uniform, right? Creatively, I personally do prefer the music they made in the 70's. It was more dynamic, more energetic and seemed to run parallel with my tastes at that time. But that's also a given. Everyone, generally speaking (that's my disclaimer ) is more creative in their 20's than they ever will be in their 40's onwards. So Rhino decides to sound off a bit nearly 35 years after the fact. Big deal. We've all been shouting about the same topic since the internet was born. Sometimes it gets tedious. But every so often someone comes up with something SO stupid and based on nothing but emotion, hearsay or ignorance that it livens things up a bit. Anyway, what's for tea? I fancy meatballs
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Post by wolfman on Jan 12, 2021 11:14:56 GMT
Rhinos true colours exposed.. nuff is the better man.
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Post by Gaz on Jan 12, 2021 12:04:10 GMT
Well, from what I saw, on myDVDs of the reunions, Alan may have not been up to scratch with the bass but he certainly made up for it with his voice and especially the delivery of his songs which is way and beyond what Rhino offers imo.👍
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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 12, 2021 12:27:22 GMT
Well, from what I saw, on myDVDs of the reunions, Alan may have not been up to scratch with the bass but he certainly made up for it with his voice and especially the delivery of his songs which is way and beyond what Rhino offers imo.👍 Remember a couple of old members called Teleboogie and Fisherman? They piled in with the conspiracy theory that Rhino was playing bass behind the stage....
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 12, 2021 12:30:16 GMT
Well, from what I saw, on myDVDs of the reunions, Alan may have not been up to scratch with the bass but he certainly made up for it with his voice and especially the delivery of his songs which is way and beyond what Rhino offers imo.👍 Remember a couple of old members called Teleboogie and Fisherman? They piled in with the conspiracy theory that Rhino was playing bass behind the stage.... Thankfully he wasn’t adding vocals from side stage 🥸
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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 12, 2021 12:37:14 GMT
Remember a couple of old members called Teleboogie and Fisherman? They piled in with the conspiracy theory that Rhino was playing bass behind the stage.... Thankfully he wasn’t adding vocals from side stage 🥸 Little known fact. The high pitched 'harmony' vocals on Just Supposin', 1982, and NTL were in fact Rhino moonlighting from Dexy's.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 12, 2021 13:31:12 GMT
I thought Rhino was talking about the Reunion tours also. He did say, to my surprise, in that recent interview that he thought Alan was a good bass player but his style wasn't one he would use. On the reunion tours, when Alan had trouble holding his pick, Rhino wanted to help him but Alan didn't want that. This is what I understood from the interview. Correct. The problem for many, if there is one, is that Alan's place in the band - and John's for that matter - was at a time when the music was perceived to be better than it is now or has been since 1986. Therefore it stands to reason that the 'replacements' would always be seen in a lesser light. Rocket science it ain't. That's just human nature. If the music is seen to be of a lesser quality - and that has been debated since Moses did the whole burning bush thing - then it is inevitable that the 'new guys' would take the flack. And even more so if one of them didn't wear studded jeans and a tight t-shirt. Because that's the uniform, right? Creatively, I personally do prefer the music they made in the 70's. It was more dynamic, more energetic and seemed to run parallel with my tastes at that time. But that's also a given. Everyone, generally speaking (that's my disclaimer ) is more creative in their 20's than they ever will be in their 40's onwards. So Rhino decides to sound off a bit nearly 35 years after the fact. Big deal. We've all been shouting about the same topic since the internet was born. Sometimes it gets tedious. But every so often someone comes up with something SO stupid and based on nothing but emotion, hearsay or ignorance that it livens things up a bit. Anyway, what's for tea? I fancy meatballs You are of course right, replacements are usually deemed lessser because the music is so. This is often judged in terms of commercial success. Although it may exist, I have never heard from the Libby over Andy group in the fan base. Largely because he left before they made the 'big time' in the hearts of a fan base. Edwards is a long standing member of the band. Perhaps the reason his song writing has always been lesser in Status Quo is because by the time he was writing with the band he was passed his creative peak as I think I am right in saying he was already in his 30's. Personally I never really considered Alan to be this rocker compared to the rest of the band. ( Maybe because I came to be a fan much later) He certainly was less so than other artists of my formative musical years. Maybe because I lent towards hard rock and metal. He wore vests, much to me and my friends amusement. Like who wore vests, that was so 1973! Also as a writer its not as if he was churning out hard rock songs. If anything I was puzzled by this, but its a narrative pushed by Francis since the break up. That Alan was 'so macho'. I go back to what I have said repeatedly, I just don't see the benefit of knowingly saying stuff about years gone by. (That includes Alan when he does). However its up to him. Its not like I was on his Christmas card list.
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Post by twentytwenty on Jan 12, 2021 16:46:21 GMT
Well, from what I saw, on myDVDs of the reunions, Alan may have not been up to scratch with the bass but he certainly made up for it with his voice and especially the delivery of his songs which is way and beyond what Rhino offers imo.👍 I remember the first time I heard clips from the reunion. When Alan started singing Backwater I got goosebumps as he was giving it all he had to get that raspy voice. And he still very much got it. Also the rhythm of that song when the rockier part gets going sounds like status quo, like the 70s to my ears. It was amazing to hear and I would have liked to see it live. Sure, he couldn't play the bass like he used to but it still sounded "right". All 4 of them were on fire. The second tour though he had lost the little strength he got left in the voice and both looked and sounded weak as hell, it was heartbreaking. I'm not sure how Rhino wanted to help, but if he wanted to play bass behind the curtain then I'm glad Alan said no. It would have taken away the beauty with that first reunion tour, they were never gonna sound as well oiled like Rhinos lineup, but they weren't supposed to either.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 12, 2021 16:52:37 GMT
Well, from what I saw, on myDVDs of the reunions, Alan may have not been up to scratch with the bass but he certainly made up for it with his voice and especially the delivery of his songs which is way and beyond what Rhino offers imo.👍 I remember the first time I heard clips from the reunion. When Alan started singing Backwater I got goosebumps as he was giving it all he had to get that raspy voice. And he still very much got it. Also the rhythm of that song when the rockier part gets going sounds like status quo, like the 70s to my ears. It was amazing to hear and I would have liked to see it live. Sure, he couldn't play the bass like he used to but it still sounded "right". All 4 of them were on fire. The second tour though he had lost the little strength he got left in the voice and both looked and sounded weak as hell, it was heartbreaking. I'm not sure how Rhino wanted to help, but if he wanted to play bass behind the curtain then I'm glad Alan said no. It would have taken away the beauty with that first reunion tour, they were never gonna sound as well oiled like Rhinos lineup, but they weren't supposed to either. Rhino was talking to Alan on what he could have made to hold his plec so he could get through a show without dropping it. It was discussed on the 1st or 2nd page
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Post by freewilly on Jan 12, 2021 18:13:02 GMT
I thought Rhino was talking about the Reunion tours also. He did say, to my surprise, in that recent interview that he thought Alan was a good bass player but his style wasn't one he would use. On the reunion tours, when Alan had trouble holding his pick, Rhino wanted to help him but Alan didn't want that. This is what I understood from the interview. Correct. The problem for many, if there is one, is that Alan's place in the band - and John's for that matter - was at a time when the music was perceived to be better than it is now or has been since 1986. Therefore it stands to reason that the 'replacements' would always be seen in a lesser light. Rocket science it ain't. That's just human nature. If the music is seen to be of a lesser quality - and that has been debated since Moses did the whole burning bush thing - then it is inevitable that the 'new guys' would take the flack. And even more so if one of them didn't wear studded jeans and a tight t-shirt. Because that's the uniform, right? Creatively, I personally do prefer the music they made in the 70's. It was more dynamic, more energetic and seemed to run parallel with my tastes at that time. But that's also a given. Everyone, generally speaking (that's my disclaimer ) is more creative in their 20's than they ever will be in their 40's onwards. So Rhino decides to sound off a bit nearly 35 years after the fact. Big deal. We've all been shouting about the same topic since the internet was born. Sometimes it gets tedious. But every so often someone comes up with something SO stupid and based on nothing but emotion, hearsay or ignorance that it livens things up a bit. Anyway, what's for tea? I fancy meatballs See, this is my issue here and it's more to do with people than the band. 1. It's unfair to compare Rhino to Alan, in terms of sound and playing. Rhino's style is completely different and he doesn't even play the same basslines as Alan in quite a lot of the songs. Visually, of course you could make that argument in the 80s but, not playing or soundwise. Very unfair. Alan had a hand in creating the songs that made Quo and that made us all fall in love with Quo. He was 1/4 of the sound that we all love. Doesn't matter who played bass after Alan, anyone comparing them to Alan, it's a misjudgment on their part 2. Now, this is my issue. Neither Rhino or Jeff or even Andy for that matter should be seen in a lesser light, for what it is perceived as weaker material, in anyone's eyes. Francis clearly states that in 1986, he said, members of the band are welcome to chip in with songs and ideas but, Rick and himself got final say and what ended up on the record. It's in every book they done, it's in the Rocker's Rollin boxset! So, if you want to point the finger of blame at someone... For the record, from what we know about Alan, there was no way he was going to accept anyone's help. He's clearly not in good health and he's telling us he's fine in interviews. He didn't want to be helped off stage after that gig in Germany. He's a very proud man and in his mind, he's trying to be an "honourable man" Misguided, misplaced, stupid, whatever you want to call it. Rhino shouldn't be insulting him over that. Still leaves me cold hearing only he went to the hospital with him and he was the only one in the room with him when he was getting treatment. I don't like that at all. It's another human being! He's your friend! No excuse for that. I nearly died one night a few years back. Lying on the pavement, blood pouring out of my head. Allegedly, a mate or two of mine stepped over my body and didn't bother stopping to help...Do you think that's acceptable behaviour? If not, than there's no excuse for people not being there for Rick
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