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Post by wolfman on Jan 15, 2021 9:20:20 GMT
Could Quoincidence and Dennis book a room..I would pay fof it...a little love in there..👀
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 15, 2021 9:27:42 GMT
It will never happen but I would like to know not the soap opera details but a simple explanation of where it changed with Rick with a simple time line. We see things from the sidelines and fill the gaps with our own versions based on our bias. However like all these things we can now only get one side of the story but to lets give credit to Rick jr and Rick's widow for not running to ther press to make a quick penny. On his tour, he spoke of the fall out, but only for comedic effect, describing how they would talk to each other from either end of their tour bus. If he doesn't wish to discuss it, then more reason for Edwards to do talk about it. Its sad we only get 'Rick changed' as a reason. Maybe he did, maybe he was unhappy. Maybe he was the same person he had always been and it is the others that had changed and were intolerant of him and his old ways. Francis hints at a few things in his book but doesn't go into them with detail. I'm also thinking of the thai stick episode Rick told, which seems to have come back to haunt him at times. My guess is that we will probably never fully know what went down. I mean he has been open about this and said that the younger guys spirit gave them the urge to keep going a while longer. Who can blame them? Of course Richie would bring fire to the band being a fan and getting to play with his favorite band on stage I would rather have had solo tours from Francis instead since I really enjoyed the setlist on his last on with more "modern" quo songs though. I had a little hope that he would bring those in when they continued without Rick, but sadly it didn't happen. I would have preferred they had insisted on playing more songs from the albums they had been releasing and keep playing them, rotating more. I also liked seeing Francis playing CGYM, You'll Come Round and songs from the ISOTFC album, but I'd have liked to see Quo playing those too. For instance, were they playing songs from UTI after 2002? As far as I know, no. But why? They should have insisted on playing those songs (Twenty Wild Horses, The Way It Goes), instead of resorting to the singles they always played. Same goes for the 80/early 90s, for songs like Perfect Remedy, The Power Of Rock, CGYM (from RTYD), some of the heavier songs from Thirsty Work, etc.. They should have rotated more. This is something I noticed very clearly with the last couple of deluxe editions. They have never really changed the way they approach new material in the set since maybe 1988: Somewhere in the middle / end of the first half, they would slip in two or three new songs. Often they even segued them together. Francis gives a little speech about how everyone has a new album but the fans would rather like to hear the old stuff, then that gets done, and they revert back to the old songs. The format is a problem here. Other bands would have the audacity to open with a new song, or to throw in something recent near the encore. That kind of thing can go wrong but it can also lead to much more excited responses from the audience. UTI and HT were the only two tours that really broke that mould, although RTYD and TW were also represented rather fairly live. As for Richie singing songs, I think he could/should tackle some of Rick's stuff because he has the voice to do it, but it should include something more obscure. Could he do Rockers Rollin'? (He could also sing one of Alan's songs that doesn't require too much growl...) The whole set list issue is a bit of a double edged sword. I always thought that the set list should have evolved so as to incorporate more current material, but I wasn't arsed either way as I wasn't going to attend those gigs anyway. Even up to the EOTR they were only playing material up to 1980, this was in both '82 & '84. However, I can understand a degree of caution as when you look back at the reunion tours there were clearly a fair few who attended expecting to hear Rockin' All Over The World, Whatever You Want - probably In The Army too! I wonder if they were the same people who were lucky enough to get tickets to see Kate Bush, only to come out complaining that she hadn't played all the hits as part of the mammoth production they were fortunate enough to see live! Pearls before swine, imo. You can never please everyone. This is why I keep bringing up Marillion with their non-compliant setlists. Obviously some people go to Marillion gigs expecting "Kayleigh", some went to the FF reunion expecting the songs you listed. Quo didn't play ITAN at the Aquostic gigs (it also was out of the set in the early 2000s). There is no real reason to, say, keep the medley as it is. Aside from Caroline, Down Down, WYW, RAOTW and ITAN there aren't any songs in the current set that would be recognized and expected by casual gig-goers.
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Post by dennis on Jan 15, 2021 9:47:04 GMT
It will never happen but I would like to know not the soap opera details but a simple explanation of where it changed with Rick with a simple time line. We see things from the sidelines and fill the gaps with our own versions based on our bias. However like all these things we can now only get one side of the story but to lets give credit to Rick jr and Rick's widow for not running to ther press to make a quick penny. On his tour, he spoke of the fall out, but only for comedic effect, describing how they would talk to each other from either end of their tour bus. If he doesn't wish to discuss it, then more reason for Edwards to do talk about it. Its sad we only get 'Rick changed' as a reason. Maybe he did, maybe he was unhappy. Maybe he was the same person he had always been and it is the others that had changed and were intolerant of him and his old ways. Francis hints at a few things in his book but doesn't go into them with detail. I'm also thinking of the thai stick episode Rick told, which seems to have come back to haunt him at times. My guess is that we will probably never fully know what went down. I would have preferred they had insisted on playing more songs from the albums they had been releasing and keep playing them, rotating more. I also liked seeing Francis playing CGYM, You'll Come Round and songs from the ISOTFC album, but I'd have liked to see Quo playing those too. For instance, were they playing songs from UTI after 2002? As far as I know, no. But why? They should have insisted on playing those songs (Twenty Wild Horses, The Way It Goes), instead of resorting to the singles they always played. Same goes for the 80/early 90s, for songs like Perfect Remedy, The Power Of Rock, CGYM (from RTYD), some of the heavier songs from Thirsty Work, etc.. They should have rotated more. This is something I noticed very clearly with the last couple of deluxe editions. They have never really changed the way they approach new material in the set since maybe 1988: Somewhere in the middle / end of the first half, they would slip in two or three new songs. Often they even segued them together. Francis gives a little speech about how everyone has a new album but the fans would rather like to hear the old stuff, then that gets done, and they revert back to the old songs. The format is a problem here. Other bands would have the audacity to open with a new song, or to throw in something recent near the encore. That kind of thing can go wrong but it can also lead to much more excited responses from the audience. UTI and HT were the only two tours that really broke that mould, although RTYD and TW were also represented rather fairly live. As for Richie singing songs, I think he could/should tackle some of Rick's stuff because he has the voice to do it, but it should include something more obscure. Could he do Rockers Rollin'? (He could also sing one of Alan's songs that doesn't require too much growl...) The whole set list issue is a bit of a double edged sword. I always thought that the set list should have evolved so as to incorporate more current material, but I wasn't arsed either way as I wasn't going to attend those gigs anyway. Even up to the EOTR they were only playing material up to 1980, this was in both '82 & '84. However, I can understand a degree of caution as when you look back at the reunion tours there were clearly a fair few who attended expecting to hear Rockin' All Over The World, Whatever You Want - probably In The Army too! I wonder if they were the same people who were lucky enough to get tickets to see Kate Bush, only to come out complaining that she hadn't played all the hits as part of the mammoth production they were fortunate enough to see live! Pearls before swine, imo. You can never please everyone. This is why I keep bringing up Marillion with their non-compliant setlists.
Obviously some people go to Marillion gigs expecting "Kayleigh", some went to the FF reunion expecting the songs you listed.
Quo didn't play ITAN at the Aquostic gigs (it also was out of the set in the early 2000s).
There is no real reason to, say, keep the medley as it is. Aside from Caroline, Down Down, WYW, RAOTW and ITAN there aren't any songs in the current set that would be recognized and expected by casual gig-goers.Indeed, some bands are a lot bolder with set list changes & quite unrepentantly so. I've been at Tedeschi Trucks gigs when the response to certain song requests is along the lines of : "Sorry, we played that last night - you should have been here, it was great!"
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Post by dennis on Jan 15, 2021 9:48:34 GMT
Could Quoincidence and Dennis book a room..I would pay fof it...a little love in there..👀 Who knows? We could yet end up on the same ICU ward!
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Post by charles on Jan 15, 2021 11:58:52 GMT
TB absolutely had a melt down over me. Fisherman was just..........odd. Fisherman and ivy parfitt was odd..on the old board me n ivy toryboy often clashed Ivy, the ultimate troll. I was ready to throw the towel in and forget about Quo boards until some guiding angel posted Shite In A Bucket. That saved me.
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Post by wolfman on Jan 15, 2021 13:45:58 GMT
Fisherman and ivy parfitt was odd..on the old board me n ivy toryboy often clashed Ivy, the ultimate troll. I was ready to throw the towel in and forget about Quo boards until some guiding angel posted Shite In A Bucket. That saved me. shite in s bucket do you mean shit on a doorstep..
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Post by twentytwenty on Jan 15, 2021 15:03:13 GMT
It will never happen but I would like to know not the soap opera details but a simple explanation of where it changed with Rick with a simple time line. We see things from the sidelines and fill the gaps with our own versions based on our bias. However like all these things we can now only get one side of the story but to lets give credit to Rick jr and Rick's widow for not running to ther press to make a quick penny. On his tour, he spoke of the fall out, but only for comedic effect, describing how they would talk to each other from either end of their tour bus. If he doesn't wish to discuss it, then more reason for Edwards to do talk about it. Its sad we only get 'Rick changed' as a reason. Maybe he did, maybe he was unhappy. Maybe he was the same person he had always been and it is the others that had changed and were intolerant of him and his old ways. Francis hints at a few things in his book but doesn't go into them with detail. I'm also thinking of the thai stick episode Rick told, which seems to have come back to haunt him at times. My guess is that we will probably never fully know what went down. I would have preferred they had insisted on playing more songs from the albums they had been releasing and keep playing them, rotating more. I also liked seeing Francis playing CGYM, You'll Come Round and songs from the ISOTFC album, but I'd have liked to see Quo playing those too. For instance, were they playing songs from UTI after 2002? As far as I know, no. But why? They should have insisted on playing those songs (Twenty Wild Horses, The Way It Goes), instead of resorting to the singles they always played. Same goes for the 80/early 90s, for songs like Perfect Remedy, The Power Of Rock, CGYM (from RTYD), some of the heavier songs from Thirsty Work, etc.. They should have rotated more. This is something I noticed very clearly with the last couple of deluxe editions. They have never really changed the way they approach new material in the set since maybe 1988: Somewhere in the middle / end of the first half, they would slip in two or three new songs. Often they even segued them together. Francis gives a little speech about how everyone has a new album but the fans would rather like to hear the old stuff, then that gets done, and they revert back to the old songs. The format is a problem here. Other bands would have the audacity to open with a new song, or to throw in something recent near the encore. That kind of thing can go wrong but it can also lead to much more excited responses from the audience. UTI and HT were the only two tours that really broke that mould, although RTYD and TW were also represented rather fairly live. As for Richie singing songs, I think he could/should tackle some of Rick's stuff because he has the voice to do it, but it should include something more obscure. Could he do Rockers Rollin'? (He could also sing one of Alan's songs that doesn't require too much growl...) The whole set list issue is a bit of a double edged sword. I always thought that the set list should have evolved so as to incorporate more current material, but I wasn't arsed either way as I wasn't going to attend those gigs anyway. Even up to the EOTR they were only playing material up to 1980, this was in both '82 & '84. However, I can understand a degree of caution as when you look back at the reunion tours there were clearly a fair few who attended expecting to hear Rockin' All Over The World, Whatever You Want - probably In The Army too! I wonder if they were the same people who were lucky enough to get tickets to see Kate Bush, only to come out complaining that she hadn't played all the hits as part of the mammoth production they were fortunate enough to see live! Pearls before swine, imo. You can never please everyone. This is why I keep bringing up Marillion with their non-compliant setlists. Obviously some people go to Marillion gigs expecting "Kayleigh", some went to the FF reunion expecting the songs you listed. Quo didn't play ITAN at the Aquostic gigs (it also was out of the set in the early 2000s). There is no real reason to, say, keep the medley as it is. Aside from Caroline, Down Down, WYW, RAOTW and ITAN there aren't any songs in the current set that would be recognized and expected by casual gig-goers. I think Francis solo tour was more of the lines of the set that he actually wants to play, otherwise he would have thrown in ITAN or Hold You Back. Has All We Really Wanna Do, You'll Come Around, Tounge Tied or Electric Arena ever been played live by Quo? Maybe this tour was some kind of experiment, maybe didn't those kind of songs get the reception he thought they would? Would the tour been more successful (don't know if it was or wasn't just that I love both the studio album and the live album) maybe that kind of set would have been brought to Quo? Maybe the other guys in the current (and rick) lineup don't want to change anything? Many questions here, it was however a breath of fresh air to hear Francis play some more obscure songs and his band sounded amazing
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Post by freewilly on Jan 15, 2021 16:39:02 GMT
Francis hints at a few things in his book but doesn't go into them with detail. I'm also thinking of the thai stick episode Rick told, which seems to have come back to haunt him at times. My guess is that we will probably never fully know what went down. This is something I noticed very clearly with the last couple of deluxe editions. They have never really changed the way they approach new material in the set since maybe 1988: Somewhere in the middle / end of the first half, they would slip in two or three new songs. Often they even segued them together. Francis gives a little speech about how everyone has a new album but the fans would rather like to hear the old stuff, then that gets done, and they revert back to the old songs. The format is a problem here. Other bands would have the audacity to open with a new song, or to throw in something recent near the encore. That kind of thing can go wrong but it can also lead to much more excited responses from the audience. UTI and HT were the only two tours that really broke that mould, although RTYD and TW were also represented rather fairly live. As for Richie singing songs, I think he could/should tackle some of Rick's stuff because he has the voice to do it, but it should include something more obscure. Could he do Rockers Rollin'? (He could also sing one of Alan's songs that doesn't require too much growl...) You can never please everyone. This is why I keep bringing up Marillion with their non-compliant setlists. Obviously some people go to Marillion gigs expecting "Kayleigh", some went to the FF reunion expecting the songs you listed. Quo didn't play ITAN at the Aquostic gigs (it also was out of the set in the early 2000s). There is no real reason to, say, keep the medley as it is. Aside from Caroline, Down Down, WYW, RAOTW and ITAN there aren't any songs in the current set that would be recognized and expected by casual gig-goers. I think Francis solo tour was more of the lines of the set that he actually wants to play, otherwise he would have thrown in ITAN or Hold You Back. Has All We Really Wanna Do, You'll Come Around, Tounge Tied or Electric Arena ever been played live by Quo? Maybe this tour was some kind of experiment, maybe didn't those kind of songs get the reception he thought they would? Would the tour been more successful (don't know if it was or wasn't just that I love both the studio album and the live album) maybe that kind of set would have been brought to Quo? Maybe the other guys in the current (and rick) lineup don't want to change anything? Many questions here, it was however a breath of fresh air to hear Francis play some more obscure songs and his band sounded amazing The infamous opening night of the Riffs tour. A massive overhaul of the setlist, brought upon by Rhino and Rick. For whatever reason, they didn't seem to think it was working so reverted back to a similar setlist. Was still fresh though. 4500 times going into Hold Ya Back instead of Rain. Was great hearing Little Lady before ROLD and PP in the encore
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