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Post by freewilly on Nov 1, 2020 5:05:14 GMT
Whilst everyone is on the topic of live audio being tampered with... go and have a listen to the Marquee Club, 28th November 1972 version of Paper Plane and you'll hear two vocal tracks for Rossi - one of which being the studio vocal track from Piledriver. Assume that was dubbed in after?
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Post by freewilly on Oct 31, 2020 6:01:17 GMT
Maybe it's my memory, my ears or the fact I'm only after waking up but...
Is it me or does Rick sound in tune here, whilst on the official release, he sounds totally off key?
If so, what the fuck?
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 22:39:09 GMT
Just had a listen to a few early tracks today and noticed the changing nature of Ricks voice on those earlier albums It’s interesting how ricks voice and delivery changed. Take Are you growing tired/Everything, it’s overly vulnerable overly soft, overly melodramatic IMO. He has at times pretty poor control over his voice up to about 1972 and very little power. Gotta go home / lazy poker blues for example. He’s trying to belt out but his voice doesn’t sound big enough for the song. But then compare “where I am/All the reasons/lonely man - here he seems to have got to grips with the softer side and puts in a much better vocal. Same with Rain. It’s not falsetto but sounds like a softer low volume performance. Even the original 4500 times isn’t what I’d call a balls out performance (though not as soft as these others) See also living on an island / For You. We also have a stronger vocal style on Big Fat Mama / little lady / Mystery song I wonder if this is what appealed to Francis when he says Rick had a lovely voice but binned it for the Rock Star voice. By 1978 he never really sounded like this again.... There is a track on Recorded Delivery called "Miss My Baby" where he fuses both vocal styles very well. He still had that softer side to his voice but, for whatever reason, he didn't use it much. In regards his vocals getting stronger, that just came with using it I guess. Given how much he drank, smoked and snorted, I'm surprised he held onto that vocal range/power up to the earlier 90s. Francis can say that but, for me, I'd much rather Rick sing WYW, BFM, Little Lady, Coming and Going, Don't Drive My Car, Rocker's Rollin, Overdose and End of The Line, in those styles, which the songs demanded, rather than Alan or Francis. All well and good Francis throwing mud around now but, when Alan left, he didn't exactly stop Rick from singing Roadhouse Blues or Backwater that way I've said it before but, I used to do cover gigs and I'd sing/attempt Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, The Doors, Queen stuff...I never attempted some of Rick's songs, not even in rehearsals. Tried BFM and Living On An Island before. Never again. Rick had a phenomenal voice. The best in the band by a mile...Although, Alan had a brilliant rock voice. His vocals on Over The Edge and Just Take Me, especially live are immense!
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 20:26:16 GMT
Can't particularly comment on that as I haven't listened to the original in years...But, I'll say this... I was 10 years of age, in 1999, when I first heard that album. I thought it sounded very "soft" That is coming from someone who grew up during the Army, Ain't Complaining, Perfect Remedy, Thirsty Work and cover albums era. I've often read stories about how people back in 1977, thinking something was wrong with their speakers when they first played it. I can understand that I think it's how the listener viewed the album as an original. When I listened to that album when I was younger I always brushed it off as being a 70s album and that's why it sounded the way it did. A bit weird when you think about it since the other albums didn't sound as thin as than one, oh well 😂 I'm one year older than you, on a side note, I remember when I bought Heavy Traffic in 2002 at a market when it just had come out, I listened to that album day and night (literally, I had it one when I went to bed) haha, good times. Still on the fence with HT First 6 songs are great. The rest I can take or leave. The production always struck me as a bit flat. Never understood or got the fanbase point of view of "like the old days" vibe That said, I saw the tour in a big arena and loved the way the stage was designed and the intro and how they were seen as a serious band. Great times... And then along came Riffs and the return of the publicity stunts
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 20:13:58 GMT
It's a great live album but, I don't think a live album can ever truly capture the magic of a live gig though. That's something you need to be there for. It's raw, it's natural, it's energetic, it's real and it's fucking brilliant! I understand as a musician that you are aware of your mistakes and it can dent the ego but, if you reach a level where the listener doesn't even care about the mistakes, like Quo on the Live album, it shows what a truly special band they were and what a unique magic they created. The album, to me, feels like I've been possessed by the band and I'm in their control AC/DC had a good run between 1977 and 1980 (Let There Be Rock, Powerage, If You Want Blood, Highway to Hell, Back in Black) Michael Jackson had a crazy run between 1980 and 1991 (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous) Other than that, I can't think of many other artists who were as consistent and always delivered the way Quo did, between 1970 and 1976. Shows how truly great they were* *I still think RAOTW is a class album but, the sound on the original is fucking weird Haha, I actually think that the production of the RAOTW album suits the songs on it. I think that songs like Can't give you more, Hard Times or Rockers Rollin' lost it's magic on those remixes. But that's probably because he just didn't remix them, he basically reproduced them and leaving out key things in the songs that made them to what they were imho Can't particularly comment on that as I haven't listened to the original in years...But, I'll say this... I was 10 years of age, in 1999, when I first heard that album. I thought it sounded very "soft" That is coming from someone who grew up during the Army, Ain't Complaining, Perfect Remedy, Thirsty Work and cover albums era. I've often read stories about how people back in 1977, thinking something was wrong with their speakers when they first played it. I can understand that
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 19:52:58 GMT
On a side note, check this out from 1981
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 19:42:11 GMT
It's a great live album but, I don't think a live album can ever truly capture the magic of a live gig though. That's something you need to be there for. It's raw, it's natural, it's energetic, it's real and it's fucking brilliant! I understand as a musician that you are aware of your mistakes and it can dent the ego but, if you reach a level where the listener doesn't even care about the mistakes, like Quo on the Live album, it shows what a truly special band they were and what a unique magic they created. The album, to me, feels like I've been possessed by the band and I'm in their control Aye, that run from '70-'76 was really special. AC/DC had a good run between 1977 and 1980 (Let There Be Rock, Powerage, If You Want Blood, Highway to Hell, Back in Black) Michael Jackson had a crazy run between 1980 and 1991 (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous) Other than that, I can't think of many other artists who were as consistent and always delivered the way Quo did, between 1970 and 1976. Shows how truly great they were* *I still think RAOTW is a class album but, the sound on the original is fucking weird
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 1:41:35 GMT
That's one great track. I loved it!
Did you once do a cover of Over and Done?
Cheers thanks Nah, I recorded an acoustic version of Rain years ago, when I was only starting to sing, when Aquostic came out. But, it was just a piss poor demo on Soundcloud
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Post by freewilly on Oct 30, 2020 1:40:21 GMT
Well done Will, better than anything on Thirsty Work. That...doesn't sound good
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Post by freewilly on Oct 17, 2020 1:23:16 GMT
Great thread.
One thing that caught my eye and I agree on 100%...The producer has to capture the vibe! Doesn't matter about mistakes, these days anyways. Once the feel and vibe is there, you're onto a winner.
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Post by freewilly on Oct 15, 2020 14:09:36 GMT
This is awesome Brian! Can't wait to hear your album! Thanks so much for listening
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Post by freewilly on Oct 13, 2020 17:13:55 GMT
With every listen, sounds better, Rock on! Thanks mate
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Post by freewilly on Oct 12, 2020 0:28:08 GMT
I miss you
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Post by freewilly on Oct 12, 2020 0:27:13 GMT
I admire Rossi for continuing with the hair, despite the fact he was clearly balding
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Post by freewilly on Oct 11, 2020 16:06:45 GMT
Sad He was one of the best! I went out and bought a guitar purely because of his solo on Michael Jackson's Beat It, to try and replicate it. He was insanely brilliant I loved his solo on Beat It. One my ‘angriest’ tv moments was when TOTP edited it out! I wanted to kick the television screen in! Anyone ruining an MJ song needs to feel the wrath!
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