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Post by frozenhero on Mar 12, 2017 12:06:14 GMT
The Paris gig was recorded by french radio but I think it's the poor quality tape listed on my Gigography... The bootleg index lists better recordings from the NTL tour. Disappointing once again.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 21:13:47 GMT
Kashmir is a great song. Thankfully it features no lead guitar whatsoever. The only song in which I really like Page's solo is "Black Dog". Just seems a notch above his usual 'constructions'. Surely you rate... Not really. I mean, I can play this or Stairway and say, 'yeah that's nicely constructed' but that's it. Doesn't do much for me on an emotional level. It's blues without blues, if that makes any sense...
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
If you aren't sure, I can PM you the solo tab, if you use tab...? It is a bit tricky, but the finger movements are classic Rossi. This is what I use... rights belong to Parfitt-Bown obviously, or whoever superseded them if they were sold on. For educational purposes only etc. 4th Chord - please delete this if TAB not allowed on here. legato key:- 3b5 = fret at 3 bend to 5; 3b5r3 = fret at 3, bend to 5 release back to 3; 3h5 fret 3 hammer on to 5; 5p3 fret 5 pull off to 3; 3/5 fret 3 slide to 5. Guitar Solo for Whatever You Want E|------------------------------13----------13-------------------|
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Yeah thanks, but I always play by ear and I've got most of the notes figured out anyway (only the ending is still a bit unclear to me - I'll try and see if I can figure it out with your tab). The problem is playing it at the proper speed...
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 19:47:39 GMT
My older sister and her boyfriend of the time had the Physical Graffiti album. It seemed quite an eclectic mix actually. The best song I think is Kashmir. Probably my favourite Led Zep song. It didn't feature on that DVD unfortunately though - the footage on it seemed earlier than the PG album I went on a Greek Island holiday in the early 80's and remember Kashmir being played at a rock disco. They also played Quo's version of RHB from Piledriver as well as ROLD. Good night that was Just_Cuz_13 Kashmir is a great song. Thankfully it features no lead guitar whatsoever. The only song in which I really like Page's solo is "Black Dog". Just seems a notch above his usual 'constructions'.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 19:44:47 GMT
As others have said, he has a very unique style among rock guitarists. He's probably fooling himself saying he's no good but the truth is he's got lots of technique, he just doesn't use it properly these days except on studio albums. The 1973 "Is It Really Me/Gotta Go Home", as bad as it sounds, really shows what he's capable of - it's as good as Cream at their best, maybe even better. Music from another galaxy. Doesn't even sound anything like Quo at the time.
The problem is that he grew away from that style of playing rather quickly. If you compare the live recordings from 1973, 1975 and 1977 there is already a downward trend. Some of the solos on Tokyo Quo are almost as bad as the more recent solo caricatures.
I think that at least on record, he has also mostly had a great sound that really bites. GoGoGo is a recent example (a great solo anyway).
I don't care for Jimmy Page as a soloist AT ALL, by the way. He leaves me cold. Francis does not.
(I do think that Gary Moore, David Gilmour, B.B. King, Mark Knopfler and maybe Eric Clapton, Alex Lifeson and Carl Verheyen are better than him though.)
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 19:33:31 GMT
Masque yes, Monolith no. I bought the "Original Album Classics" (first 5 albums) and "The Prelude Implicit" recently. Point of Know Return lined up next There are two later albums (Power + In the spirit of things from a later time (86 and 88) which are pretty good too imo. They have a different line up compared to the beginning and the line up on the two albums includes Steve Morse (Yep, the one currently in Deep Purple) I don't care for Morse in Purple so I doubt I'll much like him in Kansas, but I'm sure I'll check those albums out at some point. The eclipsed magazine doesn't rate them highly and I think I'll tackle Freaks of Nature and Somewhere to Elsewhere first...
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 16:26:19 GMT
Currently listening to Kansas - Leftoverture for the first time ever. That "Magnum Opus" track is a blast! Oh Kansas is great ! Always have loved them... have you heard the albums Masque and Monolith ? Masque yes, Monolith no. I bought the "Original Album Classics" (first 5 albums) and "The Prelude Implicit" recently. Point of Know Return lined up next
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 12:20:12 GMT
Who are the other two then? And why are there two Francisisis? It's ' two Frances'. Or two Francs?
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 12:19:32 GMT
Currently listening to Kansas - Leftoverture for the first time ever. That "Magnum Opus" track is a blast!
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 11:27:58 GMT
I really hope they'll also include the PLC tracks on that album! Great news, but also so strange to think and realise that this will be the last stuff we'll ever hear from Rick.... There's still Recorded Delivery ... (yeah it's been doing the rounds on bootlegs but a cleaned up official version would be nice anyway imo)
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 11:25:53 GMT
'Quo' probably because it was the second word of the band's name... Is "Status" the great lost Quo album, then? Mott The Hoople released "Mott" followed by "The Hoople", of course. But then the band changed it's name to Mott. Does that suggest that Ian Hunter was The Hoople? Am I getting carried away? knee deep in The Hoople...
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
That is just it WC! Rossi often plays blues shapes, but he changes key over chords in a progression like a jazz guitarist. Good examples of this (to my ear) include DWMT (2:45 - 2:55), DTIM (2:35 to 2:55 - outstanding blues playing - his finest moment IMO) and WYW (2:15 - 2:25). Frame will move up two frets if the chord moves up two frets and it suits the melody, he'll stick chromatic passing notes in, and he will switch between minor and major (eg, again to my ear, 4500X at 7:50 - 8:05). The bloke is ridiculously underrated against those more famous players who play from the Big Book o' Blues. Fantastic! Rossi doesn't have a scale, so they have no way of catching him. I'm going to make a guess based on Gates's description: at such time as he has not planned his solo out note for note (which was not the fashion in thos days), Francis chased the chords wildly, leaping from location to location and playing his tunes over what he landed on, sometimes with almost un-analysable results. Often completely free of standard blues moves. No wonder my old guitar teacher told me, when I asked him how he got that bit like dropping a milk crate in the middle of Oh Baby, "By accident, I think." There's a similar clanky bit in the middle of George Harrison's solo in Roll Over Beethoven, another of my favourite solos. The tragedy is that Francis didn't think he was any good. So he stopped doing it. WYW solo is a good example of "chasing the chords wildly". I've sort of figured it out, but it's quite challenging (at least for me and my limited guitar playing skills ). One thing, it's impossible to come up with something like that if you're not any good...
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 1, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
Love the album but never been keen on the production of Backwater and Just Take Me. Don't know why or what it is but they sound different from the rest of the album... The whole album has a slightly different sound to any other Quo release, imo, but I've never considered those tracks to sound different to the rest of the album - good excuse to play the whole thing again! IMO... if there's any song that sounds different from the rest it's BTR. That one sounds clean, the rest all have sonic problems ranging from acceptable to nearly ruining the songs (particularly the last two)!
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 1, 2017 16:18:52 GMT
Exactly. As I said previously, you really think Rick and Francis came up with 4500 times by themselves? Slow Train? Did Francis write the bass line in Down Down?
Nope.
The credits are very inaccurate
Probably why he (Alan) started writing on his own....he had his own ideas that perhaps the others weren't so keen on, and what ideas he had were absorbed into songs he ended up getting no credit for. So he'd have then had to fight harder to get his share on each album. Kind of an unintentionally divisive action. Funny though how for BFY, Rick writes on his own, and Francis and Alan team up. Weird goings on, but you can see through it, their egos were taking full flight and the chemistry was beginning to dissolve. Though if Alan is to be believed, he had a lot to do with both Rick songs on BFY. I imagine the upcoming deluxe edition will bring some more insight into the credit situation!
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 1, 2017 16:17:39 GMT
The other side of the coin is a track like Softer Ride, which clearly has the Rossi influence but wasn't credited to him as well. Exactly. As I said previously, you really think Rick and Francis came up with 4500 times by themselves? Slow Train? Did Francis write the bass line in Down Down?
Nope.
The credits are very inaccurate
Bob already confirmed that he wrote parts of 4500x
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