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Post by frozenhero on May 24, 2017 13:14:12 GMT
He's not any different in that regard than certain characters on this MB. They use strong language as well, and often go into hyperbolic mode. Bit rich coming from you tbh. I distinctly remember you acting all pally with me on here and then dissing me on the other board to the lizard queen As far as your comments go on the Wembley dvd.. Well, what made you cringe exactly, Andre Rieu? Was it the that particular version of the Anniversary Waltz? Was it Alan doing the twirly finger to the cardigans in the front row? Was it John wearing his "TesQuo" t shirt? Mistakes were made because they didn't rehearse for long enough. 12 days rehearsal for a band who hadn't played in 30 odd years.. When you take into account that U2, The Stones and various others rehearse for a month before their tours, you get a pretty big picture that it wasn't long enough. Guess who only wanted to do the 12 days rehearsal? As for the bitterness that you say Rhino rightfully has... I'm convinced I saw you complain in a post that Alan was bitter before, for much bigger and stronger reasons so, which is it? Yeah, I lost a ton of respect for you when you joined the other board with the sole intention of insulting and ridiculing people and thrusting your opinion into other fans' faces as if it was the ultimate truth, instead of acknowledging that we all have different opinions and they're all equally valid. A shame too because it could have led to great discussions. And it was made a lot worse by then coming on here and acting as if you'd been unfairly treated by the other MB's members, when in reality all you've been doing there was trolling and creating bad feelings. Your other comments are not the basis for any kind of discussion (because it's all destined for winding me up but I won't take your bait but do recognize the evil intention in your post - I'm not as stupid as you apparently think), except for the ending and yes, I agree that things could have been better with more rehearsing, but they have to be judged by the result and I do not enjoy the result. And one of the factors in that is neither Alan nor John, it's Francis! Also, if you had read my posts properly instead of putting things into my mouth (no idea what you're trying to say with that last sentence, it doesn't even make sense), you'd notice I have no issue with mistakes per se. But if the entire chemistry is off, that's a different thing entirely...
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 16:06:35 GMT
Appalling? Such a strong word... But in that case, what was so different from the live performances they did in the 70*s? Except for the movements on stage.... I beg to differ...... they were Quo! Agree that appalling is a strong word. Still I see a huge difference between the 70s and reunion performances. There was so much fire and joy in the playing of the original FF, long improv parts, a very tight locked-in rhythm section etc. Yes, they were sloppy, they made mistakes but all of that was nullified by the sheer power of it. And certainly the reunion evoked that sound more so than CQ gigs, but when you take the spontaneous parts out then it becomes watered down... IMO. Or to put it differently, there were a lot of 'CQ-isms' (e.g. the intro, the guitar sounds) in the FF reunions. At least CQ are/were tight if maybe overly rehearsed. And JC simply can't play as fast as he used to; that's not really a problem if you don't attempt to play "Down Down"! As we know the song wasn't even on "Live!" so I really don't get why that had to be in there...
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 16:00:48 GMT
Well I did say I didn't agree with everything he says, and certainly very little of the topic interview under discussion. His comments about keyboard warriors and weirdo's are clearly outspoken, but I suspect as others have said he likes to try and wind mb members up. He certainly succeeds!
Which in itself is really strange, but as I said in so doing he is traducing Coghlan and Lancaster which is totally unfair. He's a messed up kid in my view. It would not be unreasonable to admire the work that AL and JC did in the 70s live and in the studio and still say the four of them didn't play together all that well during the reunion. But I'm sure that some of the comments from Rick re: Quo lite and now the boycott efforts must have hurt him, hence what some (probably rightly so) perceived as 'bitterness'.
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 15:58:16 GMT
The 2013 gig on my DVD certainly was. No harm or disrespect intended but there are way too many cringe moments for me. If it had not been for the excitement of the band getting together after such a long period, I'm sure the criticism would have been stronger. 2014 was much better but naturally lacked some of that fan enthusiasm because it was round 2. Even then, I doubt that they would have ever returned to the 70s standard. Too much water under the bridge. Out of interest, which 2014 gig/s did you do? I did the first night and Wolves, and god, the atmosphere was incredible - even better somehow than 2013. Most special gig I've been to...and nothing could ever top it, nothing I only have the DVDs unfortunately - regret not going in 2014. Obviously being there in person makes it easier to look across certain flaws that are exposed when you listen to the CD or watch a DVD and there's no crowd around you.
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 11:39:36 GMT
Personally, I can't stand the song and it lacks any charm, soul, melody, good lyrics or ANYTHING that could make it interesting. The arrangement does not improve it but the chorus is just cheap and nasty. Rossi/Frost have written cheesy songs but I think I prefer each and every one of them to GDTT. Because Francis has a talent of writing hooks, you see. Good and bad ones.
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 11:30:24 GMT
This was easier than the previous threads...
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 11:14:39 GMT
I find his comments on the FF reunion tour insulting and offensive. It's one thing to say they were under rehearsed or a bit rough but to use words like "crap" and "appalling" is just ridiculous. Clown. He's not any different in that regard than certain characters on this MB. They use strong language as well, and often go into hyperbolic mode.
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Post by frozenhero on May 10, 2017 11:11:24 GMT
Rhino is imo a good guy and I like him. But he would need to be a very big man indeed to rave over the reunions. He left before the end, and I'm sure it must have hurt that the old line up can whip up such excitement, but his Quo never could or will. Question for musicians - was it musically appalling? Sounded awesome to me! 2014 really quite slick, 2013 rough but ready....to my ears. As for HT, a drink in the desert it was. I thought it was probably better than IYCSTH and RAOTW. I don't think that now, and RAOTW has improved due to the new release The 2013 gig on my DVD certainly was. No harm or disrespect intended but there are way too many cringe moments for me. If it had not been for the excitement of the band getting together after such a long period, I'm sure the criticism would have been stronger. 2014 was much better but naturally lacked some of that fan enthusiasm because it was round 2. Even then, I doubt that they would have ever returned to the 70s standard. Too much water under the bridge.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 29, 2017 12:14:47 GMT
Sounds good even if a bit empty.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 29, 2017 12:13:16 GMT
Can't choose! Ease Your Mind would seem the weakest but it's still above-average for me. I love the entire album.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 28, 2017 19:35:41 GMT
frozenhero I think if you take the hey-day 70's FF period to what evolved to the mid to late 80's then Quo went a long long way in terms of departure. I can't put it in technical muso terms like some of you boys can to identify reasons for differing production sounds, but my simple little ear tells me there is a big difference. Its with this in mind that the overall impression to me is that ZZ Top stuck much closer to their early retro ethos than Quo, who changed massively in my opinion. To my knowledge they never pirouetted on stage either I don't know what a "fatter sound" means exactly in terms of what you say about Red Sky being less dated? That is if I have understood this part right anyway. ZZ Top in the studio were NOT a band at all through most of the 80s. Frank and Dusty did not play a single note on the albums. That's what I mean; Quo changed their style a lot but the basic premise - four or five guys playing - was still more or less intact. Also, Quo made two pop albums before they started to play boogie rock, so that pop element had been lurking anyway, ZZ started with blues so it's less of a surprise that even the synthetic 80s albums were still (sort of) blues. But I adore Frank's drumming on albums like "Rio Grande Mud" or "Tejas" so the lack of that human element does bug me. The two Dave Edmunds productions sound "fatter" to me than the rest of the ITAN album, particularly the way the guitars were recorded and mixed. Also the drums don't sound as thin. It seems that Pip embraced that thin, bass-shy, 'plastic' mid-80s sound a lot more. Compare the drums on "Red Sky" to, say, "Save Me"... Interestingly, ZZ's first electronic album (Eliminator) had a pretty fat sound, whereas Afterburner just two years later sounds a lot thinner (but still not as thin as Quo's mid-80s Pip productions)...
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 26, 2017 13:39:58 GMT
Late Last Night is a great track... for some reason it reminds me of Footloose? might just be me on that one, however, I can't say I like Keep Me Guessing though Damn sax solo, it just ain't Quo. That's why I like the 1978/1979 demo even if it has no vocals. Could have been a really great Quo songs. I still like the 80s version but it does sound watered down.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 26, 2017 13:37:23 GMT
Interested to know what people think is retro about it? To me it just sounds like a rock band from the 80's. I was trying to say the sound around that time might have benefitted from a more retro approach than the synthetic 80's sound. Red Sky itself doesn't sound retro, just to be clear. It has a fatter sound than the Pip productions from the LP though, and that makes it a bit less dated.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 26, 2017 13:32:59 GMT
It's OK. So is ZZ Top's Eliinator/Afterburner era. Not a patch on their proper stuff... ZZ Top's First Album, Rio Grande Mud, Tres Hombres, Fandango! Etc... I agree.
ZZ Top adopted 80's style production to their sound much like Quo.
In my opinion though ZZ Top still retained more of their original identity than Quo who went further into the typical "synthetic-ness" that was all around the genres of the time
Ironically, there is no drummer or bass player at all on Eliminator and Afterburner. Quo never went THAT far, but then again they didn't seem to have the same kind of vision whereas ZZ Top knew exactly what they wanted to achieve.
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 12, 2017 15:06:55 GMT
Thanks - knew that someone who liked them would oblige
.... Aye, they're magic aren't they.... I think the demos from the IYCSTH bonus CD showcase what a difference the rhythm section can make. The '85 versions aren't bad but the 'demos' pack a lot more punch. And I guess that's what the difference between the FF and CQ is all about.
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