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Post by cactuspete on Mar 9, 2017 20:46:56 GMT
How good is rossi as a guitarist
Is he "generally"rated
Or just another player ?
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 9, 2017 20:50:47 GMT
I've never rated him highly, but the waffling solos he done during Forty Five Hundred Times back in the day were unique in the way that they weren't exactly typical, but it gave him a recognisable style.
Post 86 he waffles about in a bad way, over bending, to many bends, adds about 8383939294 extra notes that aren't necessary.
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Post by rockinronnie on Mar 9, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
Hmmm
Live? Mediocre. What he plays is not technically overly difficult. But he is there to have fun and to allow the crowd to have fun. You dont go to a Quo concert to be wowed by virtuoso musicianship
On record? A brillaint composer of solos that just work. They fit the tempo, mood, feeling, tone of the songs perfectly. Great melody, great feeling - and you can hum / sing them. In fact they are more like a singer really.
On Album I rate him higher than most
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Post by freewilly on Mar 10, 2017 11:36:27 GMT
Brilliant composer of solos. Beautifully constructed and well thought.
If he used more effects, he'd probably be higher rated. I don't see the difference in what Page plays on Since I've been Loving You for example and what Rossi plays on Unspoken Words or 4500 times.... There's none to me. Maybe it's an image thing, I don't know.
These days, he's known to play Jazz music on guitar when not recording or playing live and that's not the easiest thing to grasp on guitar.... Live, Over the last 10 years, he's been horrible. His guitar sounds cack too.
He's not Rory Gallagher but, I'd much rather listen to him playing than Angus Young or Slash.
See, I'm not always "against" him
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Post by viza on Mar 10, 2017 11:44:18 GMT
Not among the greatest guitarists when it comes to technic. In the later days he is a bit offhand in his playing. He can't even handle the notes in Caroline without overbend or put in unnecessary drills, often in combination. Maybe the reason for doing this is that he is fed up with the simple solos that is the type he can deliver. When he dares to play simple I think he has a unique tone and his own tonal language, and that is a very important thing!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 10, 2017 13:19:20 GMT
Brilliant composer of solos. Beautifully constructed and well thought. If he used more effects, he'd probably be higher rated. I don't see the difference in what Page plays on Since I've been Loving You for example and what Rossi plays on Unspoken Words or 4500 times.... There's none to me. Maybe it's an image thing, I don't know. These days, he's known to play Jazz music on guitar when not recording or playing live and that's not the easiest thing to grasp on guitar.... Live, Over the last 10 years, he's been horrible. His guitar sounds cack too. He's not Rory Gallagher but, I'd much rather listen to him playing than Angus Young or Slash. See, I'm not always "against" him Jimmy Page is a more fluent and fluid guitarist. Since I've Been Loving You probably demonstrates the abilities he had at that time better than anything else, anyways it's the one that always stops me in my tracks. It's not just the picky bits and the fast bits, that cover the neck without ever ramping off into pointless shredding or trying to drown out the singer (fat chance), but the rolling chords he plays under the vocals at points in the song, if anything I have for the last 45 years found these even more ear grabbing than the solo spots. I value his guitar playing on this track more than the much more often rolled out and also great Stairway to Heaven. But when it really comes down to it, what I "go to" is his lead and rhythm playing on "Rock and Roll". Any guitarist could play any of this, it's not Paganini showoff stuff, but first they need to have the ear and get their head round it. Francis has the ear. What he never had was the experience, the confidence, and maybe the desire to be a guitarist like that. He's more or less said that in the past. He went with what he had, and did his best with it for years. The amazing thing is, is what he achieved, not what he didn't achieve. But he never seems to have appreciated himself. Jimmy Page pulled in everything he learned as a top session guitarist, and poured it into Led Zeppelin. Since Zep, and really well before they broke up, he's never done anything new or comparable. He seems to have drained all his gifts in those few years. Having the techniques does not compensate for that. Francis could have gone on with what he had, but he got bored with it. He seems to have left himself nothing to draw on, professionally. There's a wealth of country stuff that he could have investigated, if he likes country music. Playing jazz in his spare time may be satisfying to him, that's great, but it's not playing into what he does for the public. The great Johnny Marr apparently decided, early in his career, that he was going to eschew shredding and classic rock style guitar, and do something different. This is why he is the best bit of The Smiths. Curiously, there's a line between what he does, and Keith's wonderful guitar work on Jumping Jack Flash, another track that always wakes me up even when I think I am not paying attention. Guitarists don't need to be virtuosos, they just need to have "the song", and between them, Francis and Rick had it. It's their combination work that really made the difference, each just right in his own way. You don't hear a lot of that about.
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Post by Xland on Mar 10, 2017 13:56:44 GMT
I think Francis is probably a top draw guitar player now, I've also read or heard about his jazz playing, so meaning he could probably put on some kind of guitar workshop showing different styles, performing them with great competence and more than beating your average joe player etc. I think he probably did have some limitations to start with, but just like Quo's albums in early to mid 70's, they just got better and better and in my view Rossi the guitarist did too. As others point out above though, his writing of solos is or has been simply sublime at times. He plays blues rock lead how I want to hear it, yes ok, that's not saying anything about him technically as a guitar player, but it's the biggest compliment you could probably give him. He is the melody man. This is where I think he would be more successful, solo artist-wise, being blues orientated rather than country. Anyway, I've been following Joanne Shaw Taylor for the last 7 years or so, and I saw a recent interview of hers, where she said someone told her early on or she had learnt herself, you can be the best guitar player or play the best guitar solo on the planet, but nobody is going to here it or want to here it if it's not in a great song. Again, nothing to do with actual playing, but Rossi is a great composer of great songs and great solos. I'd say Rossi is somewhere in the middle, not the greatest, but compared to some, underrated and overlooked 100%. On the live thing, unless some of the so called greats can play their solos whilst running at speed on a treadmill, it don't count as a comparison to Rossi!!!!! quofr quofr quofr quofr
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Post by freewilly on Mar 10, 2017 14:14:14 GMT
Brilliant composer of solos. Beautifully constructed and well thought. If he used more effects, he'd probably be higher rated. I don't see the difference in what Page plays on Since I've been Loving You for example and what Rossi plays on Unspoken Words or 4500 times.... There's none to me. Maybe it's an image thing, I don't know. These days, he's known to play Jazz music on guitar when not recording or playing live and that's not the easiest thing to grasp on guitar.... Live, Over the last 10 years, he's been horrible. His guitar sounds cack too. He's not Rory Gallagher but, I'd much rather listen to him playing than Angus Young or Slash. See, I'm not always "against" him Jimmy Page is a more fluent and fluid guitarist. Since I've Been Loving You probably demonstrates the abilities he had at that time better than anything else, anyways it's the one that always stops me in my tracks. It's not just the picky bits and the fast bits, that cover the neck without ever ramping off into pointless shredding or trying to drown out the singer (fat chance), but the rolling chords he plays under the vocals at points in the song, if anything I have for the last 45 years found these even more ear grabbing than the solo spots. I value his guitar playing on this track more than the much more often rolled out and also great Stairway to Heaven. But when it really comes down to it, what I "go to" is his lead and rhythm playing on "Rock and Roll". Any guitarist could play any of this, it's not Paganini showoff stuff, but first they need to have the ear and get their head round it. Francis has the ear. What he never had was the experience, the confidence, and maybe the desire to be a guitarist like that. He's more or less said that in the past. He went with what he had, and did his best with it for years. The amazing thing is, is what he achieved, not what he didn't achieve. But he never seems to have appreciated himself. Jimmy Page pulled in everything he learned as a top session guitarist, and poured it into Led Zeppelin. Since Zep, and really well before they broke up, he's never done anything new or comparable. He seems to have drained all his gifts in those few years. Having the techniques does not compensate for that. Francis could have gone on with what he had, but he got bored with it. He seems to have left himself nothing to draw on, professionally. There's a wealth of country stuff that he could have investigated, if he likes country music. Playing jazz in his spare time may be satisfying to him, that's great, but it's not playing into what he does for the public. The great Johnny Marr apparently decided, early in his career, that he was going to eschew shredding and classic rock style guitar, and do something different. This is why he is the best bit of The Smiths. Curiously, there's a line between what he does, and Keith's wonderful guitar work on Jumping Jack Flash, another track that always wakes me up even when I think I am not paying attention. Guitarists don't need to be virtuosos, they just need to have "the song", and between them, Francis and Rick had it. It's their combination work that really made the difference, each just right in his own way. You don't hear a lot of that about. The version I was referring to is the Live one from Madison Square Garden...I love it, don't get me wrong, I just don't see anything different in that particular version and what he's doing, in comparison to certain things Francis done in 4500 times for example Johnny Marr is quite unique actually. I personally love his use of maj7 and maj9 chords, mixed with minors. It's quite satisfying on the ear. Actually, I'm not 100% certain but, the outro riff on LOAI, is that a synth or an actual guitar going through something in the desk? Those 5 or 6 notes always hit me hard for some reason and I think, for me, that's what separates the best and unique guitar players....People like Francis, The Edge, Rory, Lindsey Buckingham, Mark Knopfler, Dave Gilmour, Prince, Harrison, Brian May, B.B King, Page have all come up with chord passages, riffs, solos that make you connect with the theme of the song or sends you emotionally to another place. I know people might not like a lot of those artists' music but, there's no denying their special talent when it comes to that. I like Angus' and Slash's solos too but, they're more for rocking out and wanking the fretboard. The solos from Flick Of The Switch or Out Ta Get Me don't make me think of a previous relationship, lover or a time when I was happy/sad
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Mar 10, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
I can only echo what has been said above. He didn'nt know what he did, and out came some great great stuff. Nowadays..... That poor man Santana-sound is just boring, and combined with cheap fuzz-tone horrible. Blackmore rated tafkar high, and that is great to hear.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 10, 2017 15:14:20 GMT
I can only echo what has been said above. He didn'nt know what he did, and out came some great great stuff. Nowadays..... That poor man Santana-sound is just boring, and combined with cheap fuzz-tone horrible. Blackmore rated tafkar high, and that is great to hear. That's what gets me. He does have a fuzz tone these days but, I don't see any Big Muff on his pedal board and there certainly are no fuzz channels on any amps so, how the hell does he get that shit sound? If he used a Muff pedal, he'd at least get a decent tone
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Mar 10, 2017 15:23:35 GMT
Wasn't there some new pedals on the floor that was discussed earlier? Some Ibanez tube screamer IIRC?
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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 10, 2017 15:41:41 GMT
Wasn't there some new pedals on the floor that was discussed earlier? Some Ibanez tube screamer IIRC? Yeah... wasn't it to replace his roland pedalboard they lost during 2013? Edit: I think it was cause Panto Quo's gear was sent over to where ever they was playing after the Frantics Tour On-topic; I could listen to Rossi's playing all day when he's not waffling and overbending out of boredom. He's a great player when he wants to be.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 10, 2017 16:35:53 GMT
Wasn't there some new pedals on the floor that was discussed earlier? Some Ibanez tube screamer IIRC? Aye but, I've played with one of those before and it doesn't produce that sound... My Big Muff pedal produces a similar sound to Rossi's but, it's a lot nicer
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 16:58:52 GMT
Wasn't there some new pedals on the floor that was discussed earlier? Some Ibanez tube screamer IIRC? Aye but, I've played with one of those before and it doesn't produce that sound... My Big Muff pedal produces a similar sound to Rossi's but, it's a lot nicer Statement of the day - freewilly's Big Muff is nicer than Francis Rossi's
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 10, 2017 17:08:31 GMT
... how the hell does he get that shit sound? Now there's a great question for one of those guitar mag columns
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