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Post by frozenhero on Mar 9, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
That is just it WC! Rossi often plays blues shapes, but he changes key over chords in a progression like a jazz guitarist. Good examples of this (to my ear) include DWMT (2:45 - 2:55), DTIM (2:35 to 2:55 - outstanding blues playing - his finest moment IMO) and WYW (2:15 - 2:25). Frame will move up two frets if the chord moves up two frets and it suits the melody, he'll stick chromatic passing notes in, and he will switch between minor and major (eg, again to my ear, 4500X at 7:50 - 8:05). The bloke is ridiculously underrated against those more famous players who play from the Big Book o' Blues. Fantastic! Rossi doesn't have a scale, so they have no way of catching him. I'm going to make a guess based on Gates's description: at such time as he has not planned his solo out note for note (which was not the fashion in thos days), Francis chased the chords wildly, leaping from location to location and playing his tunes over what he landed on, sometimes with almost un-analysable results. Often completely free of standard blues moves. No wonder my old guitar teacher told me, when I asked him how he got that bit like dropping a milk crate in the middle of Oh Baby, "By accident, I think." There's a similar clanky bit in the middle of George Harrison's solo in Roll Over Beethoven, another of my favourite solos. The tragedy is that Francis didn't think he was any good. So he stopped doing it. WYW solo is a good example of "chasing the chords wildly". I've sort of figured it out, but it's quite challenging (at least for me and my limited guitar playing skills ). One thing, it's impossible to come up with something like that if you're not any good...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 10:49:28 GMT
Its got more than 3 chords!
You would think that someone of Francis capability would be stretching himself beyond a straight-jacket set-list and thriving playing a much greater percentage of the catalogue. But his mind-set and actions couldn't be more the opposite. It seems such a waste.
I'd go further than that actually. With Rick sadly gone, you could understand him wanting to spread his wings a bit and do something very different. Some jazz or blues or something - maybe team up with a specialist in that field as well as provide an extra vocal angle.
But all he wants to do is the "same old" under the old banner of SQ.
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 11, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
If you aren't sure, I can PM you the solo tab, if you use tab...? It is a bit tricky, but the finger movements are classic Rossi. This is what I use... rights belong to Parfitt-Bown obviously, or whoever superseded them if they were sold on. For educational purposes only etc. 4th Chord - please delete this if TAB not allowed on here. legato key:- 3b5 = fret at 3 bend to 5; 3b5r3 = fret at 3, bend to 5 release back to 3; 3h5 fret 3 hammer on to 5; 5p3 fret 5 pull off to 3; 3/5 fret 3 slide to 5. Guitar Solo for Whatever You Want E|------------------------------13----------13-------------------|
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Yeah thanks, but I always play by ear and I've got most of the notes figured out anyway (only the ending is still a bit unclear to me - I'll try and see if I can figure it out with your tab). The problem is playing it at the proper speed...
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Post by Mikey on Mar 29, 2017 11:04:38 GMT
Singalong is right mikey - Rossi added the Rockney music hall element to the Quo sound - DWMT, BTR, ISTL, WTD, MATB, SSMH, LMF and so on. But I think that was his gift, his genius, and without that, Quo would have been more of an ordinary rock/glam/boogie band. It's interesting to note that it appears it was Alan and Rick that added the dynamics to the songs with love. With the tempo changes, quiet parts, loud parts etc... Don't get me wrong... For the most part, I love Rossi's output, despite how much he annoys me, but just fascinating how it's only now we've suddenly stumbled across it. Perhaps this is why Francis, who was at first excited to be writing with Alan again, suddenly distanced himself from it and coined the whole "stuck in the 70s" phrase. I could understand what he meant by that especially with today's modern music. But again, it just proves the point that those 4 couldn't work without the other. Just magic Not sure why gatesheadbanger deleted his post which freewilly quoted above, but here's my reply....................
But I don't want singalonga Quo. If I want singalong & 'fun' type stuff I'll go & watch Showaddywaddy at Butlins, or The Houghton Weavers at St. Helens Theatre Royal, or a production of The Sound Of Music at Wigan Little Theatre.
What I prefer from Quo is 'Status Quo - The Rock Band'.
The 3 consecutive singles that really got me into Quo back in 75-76, were Roll Over Lay Down live e.p, Rain & Mystery Song. Hard rocking, heavy singles, in the days when Quo singles were hard, heavy & rocking. Before the 'fun', singalonga, lighter, twee etc singles dominated.
That's why I detest Wild Side Of Soddin Life, coming just a few months after the mighty Mystery Song. People say the 'change' happened with RAOTW, but it didn't, the change happened with Wild Side Of Life. It does nothing, it starts & just goes along, & along, & along, nothing different, no different sections or anything. And of course it was obviously Wild Side Of Life that caused the lightbulb to go off in someone's head, which made them think "hey, now we can see what other 50's & 60's standards we can "Quo up", hence leading to other lightweight stuff such as Something Bout You Baby, Mess Of The Blues & The Wanderer. Parody time.
Wild Side Of life. BAH. Now the b-side, now that's a different story altogether. All Through The Night is a great, strong rocker, with different & interesting sections going on. To me it should have been on the Blue For You album instead of the totally formulaic, 'Quo by numbers' Mad About The Boy.
Mikey
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 29, 2017 11:29:45 GMT
Formidable analysis, Mikey. Even so I take Gates' point, because an ability to be melodic as well as rockin' that got them famous and kept them there. Often, as in ROLD, it shows through the guitars rather than the song itself. Things like Paper Plane and DWMT are no more inherently "heavy" than The Wanderer or MOTB (the latter being one of Quo's lowest moments - they really should have let Rick sing that one, Francis doesn't really get it) but they are much better performances, with much more drive and dynamic. And you can sing along to them! PS if you are looking for musical theatre, I recommend the Rocky Horror Show, the songs are so so but strangely addictive, and you get STs too
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Post by Mikey on Mar 29, 2017 11:39:33 GMT
Formidable analysis, Mikey. Even so I take Gates' point, because an ability to be melodic as well as rockin' that got them famous and kept them there. Often, as in ROLD, it shows through the guitars rather than the song itself. Things like Paper Plane and DWMT are no more inherently "heavy" than The Wanderer or MOTB (the latter being one of Quo's lowest moments - they really should have let Rick sing that one, Francis doesn't really get it) but they are much better performances, with much more drive and dynamic. And you can sing along to them! PS if you are looking for musical theatre, I recommend the Rocky Horror Show, the songs are so so but strangely addictive, and you get STs too Ah well, ST's, say no more Not quite the same effect on hairy legged, knobbly kneed blokes tho
Mikey
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 29, 2017 12:01:53 GMT
Sez you! You know girls like men who make them laugh like cuckaburras!
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Post by vivfromcov on Mar 29, 2017 18:08:50 GMT
It's interesting to note that it appears it was Alan and Rick that added the dynamics to the songs with love. With the tempo changes, quiet parts, loud parts etc... Don't get me wrong... For the most part, I love Rossi's output, despite how much he annoys me, but just fascinating how it's only now we've suddenly stumbled across it. Perhaps this is why Francis, who was at first excited to be writing with Alan again, suddenly distanced himself from it and coined the whole "stuck in the 70s" phrase. I could understand what he meant by that especially with today's modern music. But again, it just proves the point that those 4 couldn't work without the other. Just magic Not sure why gatesheadbanger deleted his post which freewilly quoted above, but here's my reply....................
But I don't want singalonga Quo. If I want singalong & 'fun' type stuff I'll go & watch Showaddywaddy at Butlins, or The Houghton Weavers at St. Helens Theatre Royal, or a production of The Sound Of Music at Wigan Little Theatre.
What I prefer from Quo is 'Status Quo - The Rock Band'.
The 3 consecutive singles that really got me into Quo back in 75-76, were Roll Over Lay Down live e.p, Rain & Mystery Song. Hard rocking, heavy singles, in the days when Quo singles were hard, heavy & rocking. Before the 'fun', singalonga, lighter, twee etc singles dominated.
That's why I detest Wild Side Of Soddin Life, coming just a few months after the mighty Mystery Song. People say the 'change' happened with RAOTW, but it didn't, the change happened with Wild Side Of Life. It does nothing, it starts & just goes along, & along, & along, nothing different, no different sections or anything. And of course it was obviously Wild Side Of Life that caused the lightbulb to go off in someone's head, which made them think "hey, now we can see what other 50's & 60's standards we can "Quo up", hence leading to other lightweight stuff such as Something Bout You Baby, Mess Of The Blues & The Wanderer. Parody time.
Wild Side Of life. BAH. Now the b-side, now that's a different story altogether. All Through The Night is a great, strong rocker, with different & interesting sections going on. To me it should have been on the Blue For You album instead of the totally formulaic, 'Quo by numbers' Mad About The Boy.
Mikey
So I guess that Wild Side of Life is off the menu for my party then! Good job it's not one of my all time favourites! As long as we get singalonga 4500x I will be happy!
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Post by freewilly on Apr 19, 2017 6:39:51 GMT
Rain and Whatever You Want still in the set...
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Post by Mikey on Apr 24, 2017 11:26:50 GMT
Not sure why gatesheadbanger deleted his post which freewilly quoted above, but here's my reply....................
But I don't want singalonga Quo. If I want singalong & 'fun' type stuff I'll go & watch Showaddywaddy at Butlins, or The Houghton Weavers at St. Helens Theatre Royal, or a production of The Sound Of Music at Wigan Little Theatre.
What I prefer from Quo is 'Status Quo - The Rock Band'.
The 3 consecutive singles that really got me into Quo back in 75-76, were Roll Over Lay Down live e.p, Rain & Mystery Song. Hard rocking, heavy singles, in the days when Quo singles were hard, heavy & rocking. Before the 'fun', singalonga, lighter, twee etc singles dominated.
That's why I detest Wild Side Of Soddin Life, coming just a few months after the mighty Mystery Song. People say the 'change' happened with RAOTW, but it didn't, the change happened with Wild Side Of Life. It does nothing, it starts & just goes along, & along, & along, nothing different, no different sections or anything. And of course it was obviously Wild Side Of Life that caused the lightbulb to go off in someone's head, which made them think "hey, now we can see what other 50's & 60's standards we can "Quo up", hence leading to other lightweight stuff such as Something Bout You Baby, Mess Of The Blues & The Wanderer. Parody time.
Wild Side Of life. BAH. Now the b-side, now that's a different story altogether. All Through The Night is a great, strong rocker, with different & interesting sections going on. To me it should have been on the Blue For You album instead of the totally formulaic, 'Quo by numbers' Mad About The Boy.
Mikey
So I guess that Wild Side of Life is off the menu for my party then! Good job it's not one of my all time favourites! As long as we get singalonga 4500x I will be happy! You would certainly be correct in guessing that
Mikey
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