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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 3, 2017 7:57:15 GMT
Can anyone explain to me (someone who has no idea how songs come together) why John wasn't normally credited on songs, if only for the drum parts? I very much doubt he was told exactly which drum / cymbal to hit and when to hit it. I would think it most likely that he was given rough ideas of what was needed and worked out all the detail himself, thereby contributing to the "writing" of the songs. Basically, I could go into my band and say "I wrote this" and play them a riff, a chord sequence and some lyrics. We'd jam it out and the drummer would come up with his parts, bass player his parts, singer the melody etc The song would come together and even someone could come up with an idea of changing the style of the song and it would work and that's the way it would go. However, I can still insist that because it was my idea and "my song" that I claim all credit for it. A lot of bands have done this throughout the years and it's led to bitter rows and break ups. The only band I know who say everyone wrote the songs, even though they didn't is U2. And they've been together 41 years, in their original form. Explains a lot Don't Rush also do that, they say Lyrics Neil Peart, Music Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 3, 2017 7:57:50 GMT
70's MK 2 Purps had the writing shared amongst all of them, it didn't help them from spliting up...... Yeah but they had Ritchie Blackmore
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 8:17:01 GMT
Basically, I could go into my band and say "I wrote this" and play them a riff, a chord sequence and some lyrics. We'd jam it out and the drummer would come up with his parts, bass player his parts, singer the melody etc The song would come together and even someone could come up with an idea of changing the style of the song and it would work and that's the way it would go. However, I can still insist that because it was my idea and "my song" that I claim all credit for it. A lot of bands have done this throughout the years and it's led to bitter rows and break ups. The only band I know who say everyone wrote the songs, even though they didn't is U2. And they've been together 41 years, in their original form. Explains a lot Don't Rush also do that, they say Lyrics Neil Peart, Music Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson. No clue tbh.
Probably do, I just know U2 have always done it, despite The Edge and Bono doing the vast majority of the work....I know Queen done it at the end of their career with Freddie but, May and Taylor weren't too long in letting people know who wrote what on those albums
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Post by Mikey on Feb 3, 2017 12:05:08 GMT
........Alan Lancaster on ROLD: "Roll Over Lay Down was written by me and Rick first off, Francis came in with the riff and Bob came in with some words. We didn't want to leave John out, so I suggested that he'd be credited as well."............
That probably means the first riff Francis plays & repeats at the start, which is uncannily similar to the intro on Creedence Clearwater Revival's 'Commotion', even in the same key
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Post by Mikey on Feb 3, 2017 12:21:36 GMT
Alan Lancaster on ROLD: "Roll Over Lay Down was written by me and Rick first off, Francis came in with the riff and Bob came in with some words. We didn't want to leave John out, so I suggested that he'd be credited as well." That I'd well believe No way in hell did Bob and Francis come up with all the solos, rhythm changes, dynamic and tempo changes in ROLD by themselves. Just like everything in those days, they were band efforts. . Same with Rick and Francis...They didn't come up with all 9 mins of the studio version, and 20 mins of the live version, all by themselves As I said in another thread, we'll never know the truth in regards who wrote what.....Rick changed Caroline completely, Francis done all the work on The Wild Ones, all four of them worked on Slow Train, 4500 Times etc....None are credited Exactly. For decades I've thought ROLD is very unlike your typical Rossi song. With the different sections, stops & starts, quiet & loud build ups, varying dynamics, its exactly akin to what Rick & Alan were coming up with round about that time, Backwater, Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters etc.
Rossi songs to a large degree tend to be more, er, nice, singalong, radio friendly, not as hard rock etc, & don't vary a great deal from what has become known as 'the Quo formula'. For me typical Rossi songs tend to be the Mean Girl, Paper Plane, Break The Rules, Fine Fine Fine, Mad About The Boy, Let Me Fly, Lies, Cant Give You More etc, you know THOSE sort of songs, that you can generally tell where they're going to go musically. They often tend to be my least favourite songs on Quo albums, as I like songs that go off in different directions, with different sections & changes, just like things like Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters, Someone's Learning etc.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 12:26:10 GMT
That I'd well believe No way in hell did Bob and Francis come up with all the solos, rhythm changes, dynamic and tempo changes in ROLD by themselves. Just like everything in those days, they were band efforts. . Same with Rick and Francis...They didn't come up with all 9 mins of the studio version, and 20 mins of the live version, all by themselves As I said in another thread, we'll never know the truth in regards who wrote what.....Rick changed Caroline completely, Francis done all the work on The Wild Ones, all four of them worked on Slow Train, 4500 Times etc....None are credited Exactly. For decades I've thought ROLD is very unlike your typical Rossi song. With the different sections, stops & starts, quiet & loud build ups, varying dynamics, its exactly akin to what Rick & Alan were coming up with round about that time, Backwater, Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters etc.
Rossi songs to a large degree tend to be more, er, nice, singalong, radio friendly, not as hard rock etc, & don't vary a great deal from what has become known as 'the Quo formula'. For me typical Rossi songs tend to be the Mean Girl, Paper Plane, Break The Rules, Fine Fine Fine, Mad About The Boy, Let Me Fly, Lies, Cant Give You More etc, you know THOSE sort of songs, that you can generally tell where they're going to go musically. They often tend to be my least favourite songs on Quo albums, as I like songs that go off in different directions, with different sections & changes, just like things like Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters, Someone's Learning etc.
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Feb 3, 2017 15:02:31 GMT
70's MK 2 Purps had the writing shared amongst all of them, it didn't help them from spliting up...... Yeah but they had Ritchie Blackmore A man with a vision....
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Feb 3, 2017 15:05:59 GMT
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 15:10:37 GMT
Nah, she's nowt on my dream girl from ABBA Just_Cuz_13
Obviously from back in the 70s and 80s....I'm not that perverted (I hope)
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Feb 3, 2017 15:13:40 GMT
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 15:32:57 GMT
Someone get me a towel....Quick...
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Post by Detroit on Feb 3, 2017 16:48:26 GMT
That I'd well believe No way in hell did Bob and Francis come up with all the solos, rhythm changes, dynamic and tempo changes in ROLD by themselves. Just like everything in those days, they were band efforts. . Same with Rick and Francis...They didn't come up with all 9 mins of the studio version, and 20 mins of the live version, all by themselves As I said in another thread, we'll never know the truth in regards who wrote what.....Rick changed Caroline completely, Francis done all the work on The Wild Ones, all four of them worked on Slow Train, 4500 Times etc....None are credited Exactly. For decades I've thought ROLD is very unlike your typical Rossi song. With the different sections, stops & starts, quiet & loud build ups, varying dynamics, its exactly akin to what Rick & Alan were coming up with round about that time, Backwater, Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters etc.
Rossi songs to a large degree tend to be more, er, nice, singalong, radio friendly, not as hard rock etc, & don't vary a great deal from what has become known as 'the Quo formula'. For me typical Rossi songs tend to be the Mean Girl, Paper Plane, Break The Rules, Fine Fine Fine, Mad About The Boy, Let Me Fly, Lies, Cant Give You More etc, you know THOSE sort of songs, that you can generally tell where they're going to go musically. They often tend to be my least favourite songs on Quo albums, as I like songs that go off in different directions, with different sections & changes, just like things like Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters, Someone's Learning etc.
Mikey
Makes you wonder how much he was involved with ITABW.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 17:01:27 GMT
Exactly. For decades I've thought ROLD is very unlike your typical Rossi song. With the different sections, stops & starts, quiet & loud build ups, varying dynamics, its exactly akin to what Rick & Alan were coming up with round about that time, Backwater, Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters etc.
Rossi songs to a large degree tend to be more, er, nice, singalong, radio friendly, not as hard rock etc, & don't vary a great deal from what has become known as 'the Quo formula'. For me typical Rossi songs tend to be the Mean Girl, Paper Plane, Break The Rules, Fine Fine Fine, Mad About The Boy, Let Me Fly, Lies, Cant Give You More etc, you know THOSE sort of songs, that you can generally tell where they're going to go musically. They often tend to be my least favourite songs on Quo albums, as I like songs that go off in different directions, with different sections & changes, just like things like Drifting Away, Don't Think It Matters, Someone's Learning etc.
Mikey
Makes you wonder how much he was involved with ITABW. He did say he hated writing songs with Rick, as he kept going over parts of the song, wanting to expand them.... His song writing with Alan was also very short lived.... Makes you think, who really did come up with those passages in ROLD, BFM, 4500 times, BEL etc etc... Evidence points to Alan and Rick, as Francis never had anything like that in his songs
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Post by Detroit on Feb 3, 2017 17:05:25 GMT
Makes you wonder how much he was involved with ITABW. He did say he hated writing songs with Rick, as he kept going over parts of the song, wanting to expand them.... His song writing with Alan was also very short lived.... Makes you think, who really did come up with those passages in ROLD, BFM, 4500 times, BEL etc etc... Evidence points to Alan and Rick, as Francis never had anything like that in his songs Shame that. They should have tried a few more.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 3, 2017 21:14:21 GMT
Makes you wonder how much he was involved with ITABW. Singalong is right mikey - Rossi added the Rockney music hall element to the Quo sound - DWMT, BTR, ISTL, WTD, MATB, SSMH, LMF and so on. But I think that was his gift, his genius, and without that, Quo would have been more of an ordinary rock/glam/boogie band. It's interesting to note that it appears it was Alan and Rick that added the dynamics to the songs with love. With the tempo changes, quiet parts, loud parts etc... Don't get me wrong... For the most part, I love Rossi's output, despite how much he annoys me, but just fascinating how it's only now we've suddenly stumbled across it. Perhaps this is why Francis, who was at first excited to be writing with Alan again, suddenly distanced himself from it and coined the whole "stuck in the 70s" phrase. I could understand what he meant by that especially with today's modern music. But again, it just proves the point that those 4 couldn't work without the other. Just magic
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