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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 28, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
Ok Mark. I'll meet you 90% on that one. Yes they all played their part. Absolutely true and agree. Best Quo line up live. No arguments from me ! I've been a reader of the board since its re-establishment after the old one closed. And I just needed to rejoin to get my thoughts and opinions off my chest. I'm happy I've done that so thanks to admin for letting me. Its healthy we all should be able to debate without it getting personal. Hope no one has been offended as non was meant. We all just have our own thoughts and opinions. In the main its been great being a Quo fan for us all whatever stages of their career interests us. That's why we are here. No more from me on this. Just to say it was 1982 And then ' Going down town tonight ' that made me sell my impressive collection and loose Quo for quite a few years.....lol.Have a great weekend everyone ! All is forgiven ! many of us gave up then and the new batch of fans arrived , the ones that knew nothing of 4500/Daughter/little lady etc etc . I'm one of those in the middle Quo fans. Born in 78 got into them when I was 7 in 85 with 12GB 1&2, EOTR vid and NEC82 vid. Played them to death and fell in love with the music. in 86 estatic that they had returned sadly minus Alan but I accepted them. ITAN, AC and RTYD Became firm faves over the years and I still love them as they remind me of childhood. By 91 I felt I had to explore the back catalogue more so started collecting the other albums plus PR which I missed first time round. Hated it at first BTW as I had just bought Quo and Blue For You with it. Though I have accepted it for what it is and will play it sometimes if I want a pop Quo album. For me I will say that the FF era is the one that I prefer but I don't mind the later stuff. The original studio albums between 1999-2011 for me match the 1977-1981 era. I loved the reunions and was gutted that I could not make either tour for various reasons. Not a great fan of Aquostic but I can see why they have done it. The future well I don't expect any further studio albums but if there was I would have to think long and hard if I was to buy it. I can accept Quo live without Rick as what has happened is a set of circumstances that have followed each other. In the studio I'm not sure if that would be something I could accept. |
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Post by freewilly on Jan 28, 2017 14:14:30 GMT
Just a quick observation... None of us actually know, for real, how those songs came about... Rossi/Young might be on the credits or whoever but, none of us know who came up with what in terms of arrangements and structure that goes uncredited... For example, Alan may have written The Wild Ones but, Rossi done all the work on it.... Rossi and Bob may have wrote Caroline but, Rick turned it into the song it became.... None are credited For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius  |
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Jan 28, 2017 14:20:27 GMT
Just a quick observation... None of us actually know, for real, how those songs came about... Rossi/Young might be on the credits or whoever but, none of us know who came up with what in terms of arrangements and structure that goes uncredited... For example, Alan may have written The Wild Ones but, Rossi done all the work on it.... Rossi and Bob may have wrote Caroline but, Rick turned it into the song it became.... None are credited For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius To put it short: He is!  |
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 28, 2017 14:28:09 GMT
Just a quick observation... None of us actually know, for real, how those songs came about... Rossi/Young might be on the credits or whoever but, none of us know who came up with what in terms of arrangements and structure that goes uncredited... For example, Alan may have written The Wild Ones but, Rossi done all the work on it.... Rossi and Bob may have wrote Caroline but, Rick turned it into the song it became.... None are credited For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius It happens with a lot of bands that, I think that Alan helped create the arrangement of BFM but he's not credited for it. On the flip side I don't think ROLD had anything to do with Alan or John but they were all credited for it. Some bands eventually work it out Queen after 1989 credited all their songs to just Queen but it took a long time to work that out. I think it was Seven Seas that Brian worked out the arrangement and made it into what it was but Fred said "I wrote that" So he got the credit. Same with ABTD, Deacy wrote that as a Country song but Freddie changed it into what it became however Deacy got the credit. |
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Jan 29, 2017 2:58:36 GMT
Still think it's wrong for the gigs to go ahead, regardless of anything else. Rossi=£££ |
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Post by freewilly on Jan 29, 2017 6:42:36 GMT
Still think it's wrong for the gigs to go ahead, regardless of anything else. Rossi=£££ And that quite frankly depresses me. Would be nice though if he wrote great songs again for money but, fuck all chance of that happening now |
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Post by serper on Feb 1, 2017 22:25:30 GMT
Just a quick observation... None of us actually know, for real, how those songs came about... Rossi/Young might be on the credits or whoever but, none of us know who came up with what in terms of arrangements and structure that goes uncredited... For example, Alan may have written The Wild Ones but, Rossi done all the work on it.... Rossi and Bob may have wrote Caroline but, Rick turned it into the song it became.... None are credited For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius It happens with a lot of bands that, I think that Alan helped create the arrangement of BFM but he's not credited for it. On the flip side I don't think ROLD had anything to do with Alan or John but they were all credited for it. Some bands eventually work it out Queen after 1989 credited all their songs to just Queen but it took a long time to work that out. I think it was Seven Seas that Brian worked out the arrangement and made it into what it was but Fred said "I wrote that" So he got the credit. Same with ABTD, Deacy wrote that as a Country song but Freddie changed it into what it became however Deacy got the credit. Alan Lancaster on ROLD: "Roll Over Lay Down was written by me and Rick first off, Francis came in with the riff and Bob came in with some words. We didn't want to leave John out, so I suggested that he'd be credited as well." |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 1, 2017 22:59:39 GMT
It happens with a lot of bands that, I think that Alan helped create the arrangement of BFM but he's not credited for it. On the flip side I don't think ROLD had anything to do with Alan or John but they were all credited for it. Some bands eventually work it out Queen after 1989 credited all their songs to just Queen but it took a long time to work that out. I think it was Seven Seas that Brian worked out the arrangement and made it into what it was but Fred said "I wrote that" So he got the credit. Same with ABTD, Deacy wrote that as a Country song but Freddie changed it into what it became however Deacy got the credit. Alan Lancaster on ROLD: "Roll Over Lay Down was written by me and Rick first off, Francis came in with the riff and Bob came in with some words. We didn't want to leave John out, so I suggested that he'd be credited as well." That I'd well believe No way in hell did Bob and Francis come up with all the solos, rhythm changes, dynamic and tempo changes in ROLD by themselves. Just like everything in those days, they were band efforts. . Same with Rick and Francis...They didn't come up with all 9 mins of the studio version, and 20 mins of the live version, all by themselves As I said in another thread, we'll never know the truth in regards who wrote what.....Rick changed Caroline completely, Francis done all the work on The Wild Ones, all four of them worked on Slow Train, 4500 Times etc....None are credited |
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Post by Detroit on Feb 1, 2017 23:29:49 GMT
Alan Lancaster on ROLD: "Roll Over Lay Down was written by me and Rick first off, Francis came in with the riff and Bob came in with some words. We didn't want to leave John out, so I suggested that he'd be credited as well." That I'd well believe The same can be said for Mystery Song with Alan writing most of the lyrics with Bob. Alan also wrote the melody to it. Alan also wrote part of Rain, and then later on Francis wrote part of "Rain", but it was listed as Rick Parfitt. Rick didn't write those two songs, he wrote parts of them. A quote from Alan: "Because Francis and I were writing together at the time, we felt like "let Rick have those songs", you know. That's the way it is, so the writing credits do not necessarily portray the writers. John Coghlan is not a writer. He didn't write "Roll Over Lay Down", "Break The Rules", "Lonely Night" or anything like that, but they are credited as written by five people". |
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Post by madtom on Feb 1, 2017 23:32:38 GMT
For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius Can anyone explain to me (someone who has no idea how songs come together) why John wasn't normally credited on songs, if only for the drum parts? I very much doubt he was told exactly which drum / cymbal to hit and when to hit it. I would think it most likely that he was given rough ideas of what was needed and worked out all the detail himself, thereby contributing to the "writing" of the songs. |
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Post by madtom on Feb 1, 2017 23:37:34 GMT
Another related question...
How do credits work?...
If two people are credited as writing a particular song, must the royalties be split 50/50 or can it be specified that they are split say 60/40?
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Post by freewilly on Feb 1, 2017 23:40:28 GMT
For all we know, John could have been a fucking genius Can anyone explain to me (someone who has no idea how songs come together) why John wasn't normally credited on songs, if only for the drum parts? I very much doubt he was told exactly which drum / cymbal to hit and when to hit it. I would think it most likely that he was given rough ideas of what was needed and worked out all the detail himself, thereby contributing to the "writing" of the songs. Basically, I could go into my band and say "I wrote this" and play them a riff, a chord sequence and some lyrics. We'd jam it out and the drummer would come up with his parts, bass player his parts, singer the melody etc The song would come together and even someone could come up with an idea of changing the style of the song and it would work and that's the way it would go. However, I can still insist that because it was my idea and "my song" that I claim all credit for it. A lot of bands have done this throughout the years and it's led to bitter rows and break ups. The only band I know who say everyone wrote the songs, even though they didn't is U2. And they've been together 41 years, in their original form. Explains a lot |
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Post by freewilly on Feb 1, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
Another related question... How do credits work?... If two people are credited as writing a particular song, must the royalties be split 50/50 or can it be specified that they are split say 60/40? Song writing royalties would be split 50/50 if two people wrote it or 25% each way if 4 people wrote it etc etc Mechanical royalties are different though. Everyone gets them for playing on a track |
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Post by madtom on Feb 1, 2017 23:51:06 GMT
Cheers freewillyLike you say, the U2 situation says a lot. Shame more bands don't follow their example... not a perfect solution, but a fairer one as I believe that, in the majority of cases, all musicians recording a song will make some creditable contribution, however small. |
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Feb 2, 2017 5:37:32 GMT
70's MK 2 Purps had the writing shared amongst all of them, it didn't help them from splitting up......
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