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Post by Xland on Dec 1, 2016 13:16:25 GMT
Wow, I'm ecstatic, just the news I wanted to hear from the Quo camp before Christmas!!!!!!!!! Not surprised, but FFS!!!!!!!
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Post by paradiseflats on Dec 1, 2016 13:19:37 GMT
At the time it was announced in 2012, the Frantic Four reunion was billed as a one-off, never to be repeated. Then, by "overwhelming demand", there was a 2014 FF tour. I didn't read any criticism of that. Now we're told that the "Last Night of the Electrics" tour is rolling into 2017 by "overwhelming demand". So what makes this "overwhelming demand" so wrong? Davy for one was critical at the time as were others. So you obviously didn't look very hard. Where is this over whelming demand ?
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Post by freewilly on Dec 1, 2016 13:31:55 GMT
At the time it was announced in 2012, the Frantic Four reunion was billed as a one-off, never to be repeated. Then, by "overwhelming demand", there was a 2014 FF tour. I didn't read any criticism of that. Now we're told that the "Last Night of the Electrics" tour is rolling into 2017 by "overwhelming demand". So what makes this "overwhelming demand" so wrong? 1. There is no "overwhelming demand." The 3arena in Dublin had 4000 at it, compared to the 14,000 it holds. There are still plenty of tickets left and loads of venues they've played in have had sections unsold.
2. It's not Status Quo!!!!
3. Rick is missing!!
4. Rhino is actually trying to sing!!
5. Andrew does NOT have a good voice.
6. There have been no good reviews. Sure, one or two on here, that went, make out it's like Woodstock or that it's like Quo when they were 21 but, they're talking rubbish. No one in the mainstream media has said anything because they know it's embarrassing
7. The reunion tour in 2013 actually had so much demand that they had to do it again. Probably annoyed Francis but, there ya go.
8. The second reunion tour and the first one (when the extra dates went on sale) caused quite a few people to lose it and not attend the 2nd tour. Davy being one of those people
9. We complain about this because we see it for what it truly is! This is Francis, who at last has a solo band, that he can peddle out as Status Quo, to make money. He doesn't have people he childishly hates like Rick, Alan and John in the band anymore. The guy is sickening
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Post by Xland on Dec 1, 2016 14:41:09 GMT
I was critical of the FF marketing, I was delighted we got another tour, but said on the other boards, they should not make these one off never to be repeated statements and just leave the thing open, that way you don't have to commit to anything, but the door is always open if you want to do stuff. There was overwhelming demand for the FF as far as I was aware, my view was that the FF should have carried on as Status Quo full stop for the Quo's remaining years as a band. This is still my view. They could have scaled everything right down to just 20-25 tour dates a year and the odd summer festival here and there. They could all have the freedom to go and do solo stuff if they wish, but keeping Quo as Quo. At the time I got the feeling like Rossi and Quo's management were doing all they could to pour cold water over the whole FF thing. I suppose things were already booked and stuff, but I think they should have stopped all other touring for those years and concentrated on the FF. People forget that the FF tours were sandwiched between the "BIG OFFICIAL BANDS USUAL TOURS", yet they still got thousands to attend two tours, not for "Status Quo", but for a drummer and bass player, that's the difference that few actually seem to grasp. The FF tours were attended because of Alan and John, where this version of the band it's because of the name Status Quo, people can dispute that all they like, but I see it as a fact, even more so now Rick is out the band. I suppose my point regarding that is FF+hits=more demand than Quo + hits without AL+JC. I supported the post 1985 version of Quo right up to and including Quid Pro Quo, but since the FF reunions I've completely lost interest in what the current version of the band is doing. In my view they have released 3 of their worst albums in Bula, Aquostic and now Aquostic 2, some like it and that's fair enough, but I just want a new FF album and tour and I include Andy Bown in that too, if they wanted to use him. I don't sense this great demand, but maybe it's just in other European countries, not the UK, this version of the band seem to be a bigger touring hit in Germany these days than in the UK. My view now Rick is out of the band is simple, if you really want to finish etc. Then, Rossi, cease use of the name Status Quo, put it to bed and start a new band. You can play what you like with who you like, but call it what it is. As a Quo fan I would respect that, as I'm sure thousands of other Quo fans would too. If you truly believe in your own music Francis, then ditch the name, it might upset some, but he could always return to Quo, just leave it open. My interest in the current band would have been better had the last 3 albums actually been any good, but just not my cuppa tea really anymore. Not really really crap or anything bad like that, but just overall to me not good enough or blues rock enough, acoustic albums included. Off topic a bit, but hey ho. Yeah I don't like the constant marketing U-turns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 16:48:13 GMT
And what is this 'incredible' reaction? Another quote 'Francis Rossi put his band back on track' There is no incredible reaction. It's just Porter lying again (nothing new there) about how HIS band are popular. Complete bullshit marketing the system of which seems to be "change a few words here add a consonant there" from the previous press release. People who go to the gigs are too gullible to even notice because it says "Quo" on the poster. Porter could issue anything about this band and still people would turn up.
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Post by taximan2002 on Dec 1, 2016 16:51:27 GMT
. He doesn't have people he childishly hates like Rick, Alan and John in the band anymore. The guy is sickening [/p][/quote]
How do you know he hates them...?
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Post by gav on Dec 1, 2016 17:09:26 GMT
It's hardly shocking stuff anymore.
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Post by freewilly on Dec 1, 2016 18:08:31 GMT
. He doesn't have people he childishly hates like Rick, Alan and John in the band anymore. The guy is sickening [/p][/quote] How do you know he hates them...? [/quote] Quite obvious he hates them. Watch the FF final fling documentry. That's no way to treat your oldest friend in the world. Most recently, trying to hang Alan out to dry over "refusing" to be conform with the "music genius" of Francis "I've written the same country rock song twenty times" Rossi Each and every person, who has stood up to Francis, has been got rid of, for people who will lick his arse. Bob Young, Alan, John, Matt and now he hasn't been getting on with Rick for two years, he's now been thrown to one side. And just like in 1986, he pulls the same stunt again regarding touring. Be honest with yourself here....Do you honestly think, with the money and Doctors Rick had, that it took them three months,to tell him he couldn't go back on stage, for the rest of his life?? On my 2nd day in hospital, they told me not to gig for 6 weeks...And that's me, a nobody in a nothing band. Are you and others that gullible to believe the Doctors didn't tell him? Francis and Porter knew from the word go! I mean, this is my issue. How can some people not see Francis is the issue? He constantly lies and goes back on his word. Yet, some people will defend him and instead will stick the boot into Alan, who has always stuck to his word
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Post by taximan2002 on Dec 1, 2016 18:19:51 GMT
. He doesn't have people he childishly hates like Rick, Alan and John in the band anymore. The guy is sickening [/p][/quote] How do you know he hates them...? [/quote] Quite obvious he hates them. Watch the FF final fling documentry. That's no way to treat your oldest friend in the world. Most recently, trying to hang Alan out to dry over "refusing" to be conform with the "music genius" of Francis "I've written the same country rock song twenty times" Rossi Each and every person, who has stood up to Francis, has been got rid of, for people who will lick his arse. Bob Young, Alan, John, Matt and now he hasn't been getting on with Rick for two years, he's now been thrown to one side. And just like in 1986, he pulls the same stunt again regarding touring. Be honest with yourself here....Do you honestly think, with the money and Doctors Rick had, that it took them three months,to tell him he couldn't go back on stage, for the rest of his life?? On my 2nd day in hospital, they told me not to gig for 6 weeks...And that's me, a nobody in a nothing band. Are you and others that gullible to believe the Doctors didn't tell him? Francis and Porter knew from the word go! I mean, this is my issue. How can some people not see Francis is the issue? He constantly lies and goes back on his word. Yet, some people will defend him and instead will stick the boot into Alan, who has always stuck to his word [/quote] I've never stuck the boot in to Alan, love him to bits but I just don't agree that Rossi hates them all. Sure folk can disagree about things but it doesn't mean that they've fallen out...
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Post by freewilly on Dec 1, 2016 18:30:19 GMT
[/p][/quote] How do you know he hates them...? [/quote] Quite obvious he hates them. Watch the FF final fling documentry. That's no way to treat your oldest friend in the world. Most recently, trying to hang Alan out to dry over "refusing" to be conform with the "music genius" of Francis "I've written the same country rock song twenty times" Rossi Each and every person, who has stood up to Francis, has been got rid of, for people who will lick his arse. Bob Young, Alan, John, Matt and now he hasn't been getting on with Rick for two years, he's now been thrown to one side. And just like in 1986, he pulls the same stunt again regarding touring. Be honest with yourself here....Do you honestly think, with the money and Doctors Rick had, that it took them three months,to tell him he couldn't go back on stage, for the rest of his life?? On my 2nd day in hospital, they told me not to gig for 6 weeks...And that's me, a nobody in a nothing band. Are you and others that gullible to believe the Doctors didn't tell him? Francis and Porter knew from the word go! I mean, this is my issue. How can some people not see Francis is the issue? He constantly lies and goes back on his word. Yet, some people will defend him and instead will stick the boot into Alan, who has always stuck to his word [/quote] I've never stuck the boot in to Alan, love him to bits but I just don't agree that Rossi hates them all. Sure folk can disagree about things but it doesn't mean that they've fallen out...[/quote] John - Neglected, threw a fit, Francis couldn't wait to fuck him off. Alan - Francis' oldest mate. Vital to the band. Francis acted like a little bitch because he only got 99.9% of his way and stuck a knife in his back Matt - Francis insulted Matt in Hello Quo, he felt alone in Quo so he left. Rick - Disliked Francis' stand on the FF in 2014, didn't like that Francis kept getting his own way, Francis didn't like that, stuck the knife in yet again and basically gave Rick the fingers. Francis has fallen out with all of them. John doesn't even mention Francis anymore, Alan got screwed again and Rick is now finally giving us his actual thoughts. Still, least those three are friendly and get on well
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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 1, 2016 18:59:48 GMT
I can appreciate why you point the finger at Francis, Freewilly but I do wonder if it is that simple.
During the 80s, drugs and endless touring wore them down. Agree that John was despatched rather than listened to. And that is what really should have happened. But whether or not it was with the anger you now view this, I'm less sure. Badly handled rather than malicious is how I see it.
With Alan, I see it as the battle of the two leaders. Both wanted to lead the band and that would never work, so one had to leave. And as Francis was the one who the record company wanted, he survived and Alan didn't. And again, very badly managed.
And then there were two.
I remember in the 2001 C4 doc that Rick and Francis spent little time together on the bus. So its clear that they had only been work mates rather than close friends for a very long time.
And yes, the FF documentary reveals all their frustrations and musical differences over where they wanted to take the Status Quo name. And Francis had the power for sure this time in preventing that continuing because by this point he is the driving force of Quo. I do believe that if Francis hadn't wanted to keep the band going, it would have ended a long time ago. But he did and so that gave Rick a platform to play alongside him.
Where I do feel for Rick is that he's had to bow out for health reasons, that must be the truth of it rather than acoustic Quo, but now they've found a replacement and the audience numbers are holding, the Franchise Quo carries on regardless of any individual. And for Rick that must be hard to see the band continuing as a rock band without him. Because for me he was equally important to the original Quo sound as Francis.
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Post by Victor on Dec 1, 2016 19:08:28 GMT
I can appreciate why you point the finger at Francis, Freewilly but I do wonder if it is that simple. During the 80s, drugs and endless touring wore them down. Agree that John was despatched rather than listened to. And that is what really should have happened. But whether or not it was with the anger you now view this, I'm less sure. Badly handled rather than malicious is how I see it. With Alan, I see it as the battle of the two leaders. Both wanted to lead the band and that would never work, so one had to leave. And as Francis was the one who the record company wanted, he survived and Alan didn't. And again, very badly managed. And then there were two. I remember in the 2001 C4 doc that Rick and Francis spent little time together on the bus. So its clear that they had only been work mates rather than close friends for a very long time. And yes, the FF documentary reveals all their frustrations and musical differences over where they wanted to take the Status Quo name. And Francis had the power for sure this time in preventing that continuing because by this point he is the driving force of Quo. I do believe that if Francis hadn't wanted to keep the band going, it would have ended a long time ago. But he did and so that gave Rick a platform to play alongside him. Where I do feel for Rick is that he's had to bow out for health reasons, that must be the truth of it rather than acoustic Quo, but now they've found a replacement and the audience numbers are holding, the Franchise Quo carries on regardless of any individual. And for Rick that must be hard to see the band continuing as a rock band without him. Because for me he was equally important to the original Quo sound as Francis. Yep. Even though Francis was my hero for a long time, I have always realized that it all would never have sounded the way it did if Rick hadn't been there.
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Post by derryquo on Dec 1, 2016 20:16:40 GMT
And when some muppets and joe public buy tickets knowing rick won't be there...it allows rossi to carry on....words fail my annoyance at this..
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Dec 1, 2016 20:38:43 GMT
And when some muppets and joe public buy tickets knowing rick won't be there...it allows rossi to carry on....words fail my annoyance at this.. I do understand your frustration....but the simple fact is that most gig-goers for most bands are not diehards. There's loads of bands I like where I don't know much about the band members. I quite like Uriah Heap, but could only recognise one of them, and just about guess at his name. If I paid to see UFO, I would want certain songs but really wouldn't care who played. The paying public are always entitled to be as fickle, fussy (or unfussy) as they like. I think there's a band touring called Thin Lizzy. Hardcore fans probably think that's a disgrace. I just like the music, and would probably go if the price and venue suited.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 21:41:18 GMT
I hope they change the set list to one of the reunion tour one's , that should see the crowds dwindle pretty fast as the vast majority won't have a clue about Backwater/Just take me etc , especially how bad they'll be played . That should put a end to this bullshit . ITS TIME TO RETIRE THE NAME !
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