matt
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 1,013
|
Post by matt on Aug 24, 2022 21:26:05 GMT
GTYTLM is awful except the lead break which is amazing.
Who asked you, wild ones, mountain lady are in my top Quo tracks ever. Interesting that Alan sand none of them. They all fall into his bass playing the same note under changing chords trick.
|
|
|
Post by freewilly on Aug 24, 2022 21:37:38 GMT
But Run To Mummy and Don't Drive My Car are superior songs I assume? Run To Mummy is alright (the instrumentation that is), and Don't Drive My Car i've always been a fan of but I don't think it's ever been done justice live. Studio version is better Run To Mummy is cack, with the exception of the intro. Over The Edge is miles better than it. I love the studio version, never particularly liked the live version. DDMC sounds good on record. Never sounded good live and that's down to the drums
|
|
|
Post by freewilly on Aug 24, 2022 21:41:13 GMT
GTYTLM is awful except the lead break which is amazing. Who asked you, wild ones, mountain lady are in my top Quo tracks ever. Interesting that Alan sand none of them. They all fall into his bass playing the same note under changing chords trick. But he wrote them and they're in your top Quo tracks ever so what's the issue? I also think that's way overboard when you state his bass playing was "the same note under the changing chords trick" Comes across a bit like the "3 chord" jibes the know nowt press music press used to aim at the band, especially since we all know Alan's playing wasn't defined by that and in 33 years of listening to Quo, I've never associated that with him... Bit like me saying Angus Young and his usual "playing the pentatonic box with his solos" In other words, both statements are bullshit
|
|
|
Post by sqcollector on Aug 24, 2022 21:57:50 GMT
I also like his contributions from the 60s. For Lancaster, some of his songs from ROATW (album), including it, and forward are very sub-par, in my opinion. They are the weakest of the albums they belong to. You Don't Own Me is the weakest on RAOTW? Over The Edge and The Wild Ones are the weakest on JS? Who Asked You is the weakest on WYW? Seriously?... Ha, fair enough...I sometimes forget how revisionism is a thing No mate. I said " some of his songs". Not "all". Please do read what I said. I try to word my posts carefully to avoid being a target. I need to try harder. Over The Edge is a favorite. And the weakest on WYW are Come Rock With Me and Rockin' On. In my opinion. You Don't Own Me and Let's Ride are the weakest on ROATW, yes. In my opinion (I can't stress this enough). Too Far Gone is decent. I don't understand why you bring "revisionism" in your post, though.
|
|
|
Post by Quoincidence on Aug 24, 2022 22:18:37 GMT
Run To Mummy is alright (the instrumentation that is), and Don't Drive My Car i've always been a fan of but I don't think it's ever been done justice live. Studio version is better Run To Mummy is cack, with the exception of the intro. Over The Edge is miles better than it. I love the studio version, never particularly liked the live version. DDMC sounds good on record. Never sounded good live and that's down to the drums It was a much heavier track performed live, especially in '84. The album version is too fast, the vocals were drowned in an unnecessary amount of reverb / delay, and (this is the only time I will ever say this in regards to Bernie Frost) but those fucking delayed "falling... falling... falling" vocals were not needed - if it is Bernie that is... could well be Andy. For me, with DDMC, it's just everything about the song. I do with the Paris Hippodrome radio broadcast was around in better quality, because I think that would quite possibly be the only decent recording of it live. The only thing that lets it down is the harmonies - they sound way off. The other thing that it loses during live performances is that tone Rossi had during the studio outro, and he completely changed that lead break when they played it live from what he did on the album.
|
|
|
Post by sqcollector on Aug 24, 2022 22:23:57 GMT
Don't Drive My Car was the song that made me into Quo. Which is fun, because it's one of a kind on their repertoire. That solo guitar tone on the outro... fabulous. The snare sounds amazing also. Rick's guitar sounds amazing. The album version is spectacular.
|
|
|
Post by Quoincidence on Aug 24, 2022 22:25:33 GMT
GTYTLM is awful except the lead break which is amazing. Who asked you, wild ones, mountain lady are in my top Quo tracks ever. Interesting that Alan sand none of them. They all fall into his bass playing the same note under changing chords trick. Another 2 tracks, of his, I somehow forgot about. Who Asked You & Wild Ones could quite have easily been done live. Mountain Lady possibly could have worked, however the synth parts would have to have been stripped back.
|
|
|
Post by freewilly on Aug 24, 2022 22:30:11 GMT
You Don't Own Me is the weakest on RAOTW? Over The Edge and The Wild Ones are the weakest on JS? Who Asked You is the weakest on WYW? Seriously?... Ha, fair enough...I sometimes forget how revisionism is a thing No mate. I said " some of his songs". Not "all". Please do read what I said. I try to word my posts carefully to avoid being a target. I need to try harder. Over The Edge is a favorite. And the weakest on WYW are Come Rock With Me and Rockin' On. In my opinion. You Don't Own Me and Let's Ride are the weakest on ROATW, yes. In my opinion (I can't stress this enough). Too Far Gone is decent. I don't understand why you bring "revisionism" in your post, though. Revisionism because I have never seen or heard anyone say his songs on WYW, B2B, NTL, RAOTW and JS were the weakest until today and my mind begins to wonder back to something else that reminds me of this... Heat and 1982 for sure but, none of the rest. B2B especially considering MT and WOL are on there as they sound like rejects from Flying Debris and we all know how the opinions are on that, from what we've heard of it. Stones off the Heat album is cack alright. Thought that was universally agreed upon. Gonna Teach You To Love Me is a masterpiece in comparison. Same with 1982 and Big Man/ILRNR. Again, I thought that was universally agreed upon Let's Ride, I thought that was shit for years due to the intro but once I listened to it, it's fine. I'm a fan of the RAOTW album and think it gets unfair jibes due to the production.
|
|
|
Post by thewildone on Aug 24, 2022 22:45:18 GMT
This Quo album is a towering masterpiece compared to ITAN AC PR RTYD TW UTI HT TPAOY ISOTFC QPQ B I haven't played it for years but I bunged it on and fcuking loved it. Agree, it was poor, but far worse followed.
|
|
|
Post by fretbuzzzzz on Aug 25, 2022 1:05:26 GMT
Don't Drive My Car was the song that made me into Quo. Which is fun, because it's one of a kind on their repertoire. That solo guitar tone on the outro... fabulous. The snare sounds amazing also. Rick's guitar sounds amazing. The album version is spectacular. I thought the song was something special as well when it was released and I heard it first being played very early one morning on Radio One. It is a Quo song that tends to divide opinions and we know Rossi wasn't a fan at first. We now know that Rick was mainly responsible for the way that Quo could go off in all random directions with some tracks, quirky changes of tempo and more besides etc. I thought the atmospheric instrumental section in DDMC was excellent but a gamble should it have been a single release as not that common with singles and could lose some listeners. That instrumental section reminds me a little of Townshend's 'Rough Boys' which may have pre-dated Don't Drive My Car by a couple of months or more in the release and recording process and perhaps some influence on Rick? I remember hearing Rough Boys being played over the Tannoy at a Quo gig at Wembley Arena in 1981. I'm fairly sure John Eden has said in the past that the band gave their all in the studio with DDMC and what you hear on JS is what they gave with very few overdubs.
|
|
mortified
4500 Timer
Posts: 5,861
Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
|
Post by mortified on Aug 25, 2022 4:49:57 GMT
Gonna Teach You To Love Me, whilst I am not a fan of it, is 1000X the live song that MT is... Shot in the dark here but, I'm gonna guess the Lancaster songs are A Year, Backwater, Just Take Me and Is There A Better Way Is It Really Me / Gotta Go Home, A Year, Softer Ride (if he and Rick genuinely wrote it, even though it doesn't seem like a Parfitt / Lancaster track to me), Someone's Learning, Umleitung, Something's Going On In My Head, Time To Fly, Blue Eyed Lady, Backwater, Just Take Me, Don't Think It Matters, Drifting Away, Is There A Better Way, Ol' Rag Blues... that's about it Edit - Some how forgot about High Flyer. I always thought that was a cover of a Randy California/Spirit song. With a Beatles outro. I know Alan was credited with it at some point, probably on the Fresh Quota 10" release, but I don't think that's accurate. Although, I admit, there has been some discussion on it over the years. But the chances of Spirit covering a Quo song, and particularly an unreleased one, have to be slim to say the least. On the general subject of Alan's material, my view is that it deteriorated after the Just Supposin' album (we disagree about Over The Edge by the way ) and he began to lean towards AOR before the rest of them. But then most of the band's output went down that road eventually.
|
|
gav
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 2,152
Favourite Quo Album: On The Level
|
Post by gav on Aug 25, 2022 16:45:23 GMT
Alan was a big fan of Toto, apparently.
|
|
|
Post by freewilly on Aug 25, 2022 17:15:58 GMT
GTYTLM is awful except the lead break which is amazing. Who asked you, wild ones, mountain lady are in my top Quo tracks ever. Interesting that Alan sand none of them. They all fall into his bass playing the same note under changing chords trick. Another 2 tracks, of his, I somehow forgot about. Who Asked You & Wild Ones could quite have easily been done live. Mountain Lady possibly could have worked, however the synth parts would have to have been stripped back. Who Asked You, yeah... The Wild Ones, can't hear it myself. The vocal at times would have strained Francis too much
|
|
matt
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 1,013
|
Post by matt on Aug 25, 2022 21:12:35 GMT
GTYTLM is awful except the lead break which is amazing. Who asked you, wild ones, mountain lady are in my top Quo tracks ever. Interesting that Alan sand none of them. They all fall into his bass playing the same note under changing chords trick. But he wrote them and they're in your top Quo tracks ever so what's the issue? I also think that's way overboard when you state his bass playing was "the same note under the changing chords trick" Comes across a bit like the "3 chord" jibes the know nowt press music press used to aim at the band, especially since we all know Alan's playing wasn't defined by that and in 33 years of listening to Quo, I've never associated that with him... Bit like me saying Angus Young and his usual "playing the pentatonic box with his solos" In other words, both statements are bullshit I like the songs but Alan’s writing from that period used the bass root note under shifting chords to create a vibe. I asked him about it on Facebook years ago when he first appeared, pre reunion, as I thought it was interesting that the bass play write so many songs where the bass played the same root note. He said “yeah, it’s more to do with the groove of the song” So really it’s not bollocks. Not is it a criticism. It’s why his songs have a feel from that era
|
|
|
Post by freewilly on Aug 26, 2022 2:40:48 GMT
But he wrote them and they're in your top Quo tracks ever so what's the issue? I also think that's way overboard when you state his bass playing was "the same note under the changing chords trick" Comes across a bit like the "3 chord" jibes the know nowt press music press used to aim at the band, especially since we all know Alan's playing wasn't defined by that and in 33 years of listening to Quo, I've never associated that with him... Bit like me saying Angus Young and his usual "playing the pentatonic box with his solos" In other words, both statements are bullshit I like the songs but Alan’s writing from that period used the bass root note under shifting chords to create a vibe. I asked him about it on Facebook years ago when he first appeared, pre reunion, as I thought it was interesting that the bass play write so many songs where the bass played the same root note. He said “yeah, it’s more to do with the groove of the song” So really it’s not bollocks. Not is it a criticism. It’s why his songs have a feel from that era Wind my neck in? FFS Pal, you worded it like that's all his bass playing was, which I rightly called as bullshit I called you out on it, you explained your wording and what you meant and now I know what you meant (thought you meant overall but see what you mean re Over The Edge, Coming and Going Etc), fair enough, case closed! When I read it, I thought you were talking about TCTTG, others from B2B and back before 1980 and it was nonsensical to me It's a forum! It's meant for debate and for people to be questioned. Granted, you don't know me and I tend to get passionate about music but zero hot headness on my part For the record, if you're calling for me to wind my neck in, you should have had it with Teleboogie, Fisherman, Quozone, Ricky (RIP) or Barejear * *I'll let others fill you in on them. Forum legends of old EDIT: I see you edited out the wind your neck in part...Honestly, I get passionate about music I love. Zero anger or whatever from me.
|
|