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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 15, 2019 6:44:11 GMT
Quo luv Germany germany luv quo just look at there gig s over the yrs Germany germany and more Germany so I see why I know Quo have toured extensively in Germany, buts that's always been the case. Even ITAN album didn't get this high in the German charts and that was on the back of the single being a number 1 hit I think at the time. It’s remarkable statistic that it’s the highest since Status Quo’s debut. Does show how a loyal fan base has a larger effect these days for bands like Status Quo.
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 15, 2019 8:36:03 GMT
I understand what you mean bluehighway but I am not convinced. The behavior of Francis in all the years speaks an another language. More or less every famous band needs a break after some years of constantly working together but normally after a while they will come together again but not with Rossi he wants to be the only boss. You never heard a good word from him about the old line up only negative things about the 3 Frantic Four guys. But with respect, none of us are actually in the band. You can only go on what you think is true but sadly, that might be wrong. As for your last line - I agree that hurts me a lot too, especially in 2014 having seen them play again. However, your respond to that is to allow your hurt/anger to judge him on that line for ever and not look at what could be behind him saying. I can think of 2 reasons he says this. 1) He does feel some anxiety/discomfort for what a loyal older fanbase wants - its why he's tried to please us with the latest album. 2) he wants us to know the painful honest truth. He didn't find it fun playing with them. And clearly hadn't since the late 70s. And I suspect the other 3 could say the same about him but they didn't publicly. Bluehighway has been in a number of rock bands and knows what it is like. Much as I love Rick, Alan and John. I doubt they were saints either. I'm sure all 4 could be difficult. So the one that survives the turmoil is the villain. In this instance it is Francis. I do know that I'm not going to change your mind with this. But I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm looking at the facts of what we know which is why I can form another view. Yes he said those upsetting things. But we also know more about the bad blood in the band etc... There is not only one conclusion to draw. I'm mostly a FF line-up fan. I don't wish to see the current band live but I do enjoy some tracks from the later albums. And this new album has taken me by surprise. In my opinion, its a mature Quo album. Despite the younger, new blood - in the rock tracks, the pace has slowed some what. I may be a teenager in my heart for my love of Quo but I'm a grown-up when it comes to looking at how events in the band have played out.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 15, 2019 9:41:05 GMT
I understand what you mean bluehighway but I am not convinced. The behavior of Francis in all the years speaks an another language. More or less every famous band needs a break after some years of constantly working together but normally after a while they will come together again but not with Rossi he wants to be the only boss. You never heard a good word from him about the old line up only negative things about the 3 Frantic Four guys. But with respect, none of us are actually in the band. You can only go on what you think is true but sadly, that might be wrong. As for your last line - I agree that hurts me a lot too, especially in 2014 having seen them play again. However, your respond to that is to allow your hurt/anger to judge him on that line for ever and not look at what could be behind him saying. I can think of 2 reasons he says this. 1) He does feel some anxiety/discomfort for what a loyal older fanbase wants - its why he's tried to please us with the latest album. 2) he wants us to know the painful honest truth. He didn't find it fun playing with them. And clearly hadn't since the late 70s. And I suspect the other 3 could say the same about him but they didn't publicly. Bluehighway has been in a number of rock bands and knows what it is like. Much as I love Rick, Alan and John. I doubt they were saints either. I'm sure all 4 could be difficult. So the one that survives the turmoil is the villain. In this instance it is Francis. I do know that I'm not going to change your mind with this. But I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm looking at the facts of what we know which is why I can form another view. Yes he said those upsetting things. But we also know more about the bad blood in the band etc... There is not only one conclusion to draw. I'm mostly a FF line-up fan. I don't wish to see the current band live but I do enjoy some tracks from the later albums. And this new album has taken me by surprise. In my opinion, its a mature Quo album. Despite the younger, new blood - in the rock tracks, the pace has slowed some what. I may be a teenager in my heart for my love of Quo but I'm a grown-up when it comes to looking at how events in the band have played out. You are right it’s about opinions. I’m not going to argue with you on this. As adult, I can say Francis or his PR have repeatedly lied to their fan base since the 1970s. People take his latest book as fact, whereas it’s mostly opinion and his spin on events. The biggest issue of the last decade is left with many more questions than answers. Why did he insist on an end of Electric gigs ? However I will leave it there.
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Post by Gaz on Sept 15, 2019 10:30:33 GMT
But with respect, none of us are actually in the band. You can only go on what you think is true but sadly, that might be wrong. As for your last line - I agree that hurts me a lot too, especially in 2014 having seen them play again. However, your respond to that is to allow your hurt/anger to judge him on that line for ever and not look at what could be behind him saying. I can think of 2 reasons he says this. 1) He does feel some anxiety/discomfort for what a loyal older fanbase wants - its why he's tried to please us with the latest album. 2) he wants us to know the painful honest truth. He didn't find it fun playing with them. And clearly hadn't since the late 70s. And I suspect the other 3 could say the same about him but they didn't publicly. Bluehighway has been in a number of rock bands and knows what it is like. Much as I love Rick, Alan and John. I doubt they were saints either. I'm sure all 4 could be difficult. So the one that survives the turmoil is the villain. In this instance it is Francis. I do know that I'm not going to change your mind with this. But I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm looking at the facts of what we know which is why I can form another view. Yes he said those upsetting things. But we also know more about the bad blood in the band etc... There is not only one conclusion to draw. I'm mostly a FF line-up fan. I don't wish to see the current band live but I do enjoy some tracks from the later albums. And this new album has taken me by surprise. In my opinion, its a mature Quo album. Despite the younger, new blood - in the rock tracks, the pace has slowed some what. I may be a teenager in my heart for my love of Quo but I'm a grown-up when it comes to looking at how events in the band have played out. You are right it’s about opinions. I’m not going to argue with you on this. As adult, I can say Francis or his PR have repeatedly lied to their fan base since the 1970s. People take his latest book as fact, whereas it’s mostly opinion and his spin on events. The biggest issue of the last decade is left with many more questions than answers. Why did he insist on an end of Electric gigs ? However I will leave it there. Agree that there have been many a big fib told to keep not only Francis alive, in a band sense, but along with the many employees to be paid. It’s a business and I’ve accepted that a long time ago. Amazing to think that the first time I saw him with Quo was back in ‘75 when he was just a kid at age 26. He’s 70 now and still working, plenty of scars along the way in Quo’s history but I guess ‘it’s only rock n roll’...if you like it, buy it.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 15, 2019 11:04:30 GMT
You are right it’s about opinions. I’m not going to argue with you on this. As adult, I can say Francis or his PR have repeatedly lied to their fan base since the 1970s. People take his latest book as fact, whereas it’s mostly opinion and his spin on events. The biggest issue of the last decade is left with many more questions than answers. Why did he insist on an end of Electric gigs ? However I will leave it there. Agree that there have been many a big fib told to keep not only Francis alive, in a band sense, but along with the many employees to be paid. It’s a business and I’ve accepted that a long time ago. Amazing to think that the first time I saw him with Quo was back in ‘75 when he was just a kid at age 26. He’s 70 now and still working, plenty of scars along the way in Quo’s history but I guess ‘it’s only rock n roll’...if you like it, buy it. In music you so often have to separate the people who make it from those who make it. I accept that. I suppose it proves the Catholic archbishop correct to some degree. He said give me s child and I will give you a Catholic for life.
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Post by musiktruhe on Sept 15, 2019 11:57:37 GMT
A few days ago I heard an older Livealbum from Paul McCartney before he played one Beatles Song he said: This one is for George, John & Ringo without them we wouldn’t be here tonight.
This has style!!!
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Post by musiktruhe on Sept 15, 2019 11:58:40 GMT
Francis would maybe say we play now some old song from the 70‘s but much better now.
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 15, 2019 12:09:16 GMT
Gaz - what you've said makes sense to me. It's a business. That is partly why events played out as they did. Think about all those early Hollywood stars and the lies we were told about their lives. That's how it was until much more recently. And lets not forget the band were being ripped off and Alan blew the whistle on that. So others were manipulating the whole situation, building on the musical rifts within the band. To see Francis as some machiavellian mastermind - I find ludicrous but also very funny. I suppose its easier to bear one's disappointment when there is someone to hate. Enjoy your anger boys, I don't have any energy for that any more.
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Post by Gaz on Sept 15, 2019 12:17:42 GMT
Agree that there have been many a big fib told to keep not only Francis alive, in a band sense, but along with the many employees to be paid. It’s a business and I’ve accepted that a long time ago. Amazing to think that the first time I saw him with Quo was back in ‘75 when he was just a kid at age 26. He’s 70 now and still working, plenty of scars along the way in Quo’s history but I guess ‘it’s only rock n roll’...if you like it, buy it. In music you so often have to separate the people who make it from those who make it. I accept that. I suppose it proves the Catholic archbishop correct to some degree. He said give me s child and I will give you a Catholic for life. Are you saying Quo are a wide church?😉
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 15, 2019 12:21:21 GMT
Gaz - what you've said makes sense to me. It's a business. That is partly why events played out as they did. Think about all those early Hollywood stars and the lies we were told about their lives. That's how it was until much more recently. And lets not forget the band were being ripped off and Alan blew the whistle on that. So others were manipulating the whole situation, building on the musical rifts within the band. To see Francis as some machiavellian mastermind - I find ludicrous but also very funny. I suppose its easier to bear one's disappointment when there is someone to hate. Enjoy your anger boys, I don't have any energy for that any more. I don’t hate Francis at all. Francis is no Machiavellian person either. He has acted in plain sight. I appreciate he has done what he’s done to benefit himself personally and professionally. I suppose it comes back to what you said earlier. I never had a childish blind admiration of the individuals in the band. So don’t feel disappointment in their actions. By his own words he has acted in his own interests. Yes it’s a business. Which is fair enough. However as he has made money repeatedly by airing his dirty laundry in public, it is reasonable to make decisions based on his words and actions that are a matter of public record.
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Post by paradiseflats on Sept 15, 2019 12:22:03 GMT
In music you so often have to separate the people who make it from those who make it. I accept that. I suppose it proves the Catholic archbishop correct to some degree. He said give me s child and I will give you a Catholic for life. Are you saying Quo are a wide church?😉 A very broad church. To their loyal support I’m a heretic.
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 15, 2019 12:30:17 GMT
My final thought for now is that Francis was lucky that Rick stayed with him and they both tolerated each other's differences. I can't imagine that Quo would have survived in the form we have without Rick.
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 15, 2019 12:37:27 GMT
Gaz - what you've said makes sense to me. It's a business. That is partly why events played out as they did. Think about all those early Hollywood stars and the lies we were told about their lives. That's how it was until much more recently. And lets not forget the band were being ripped off and Alan blew the whistle on that. So others were manipulating the whole situation, building on the musical rifts within the band. To see Francis as some machiavellian mastermind - I find ludicrous but also very funny. I suppose its easier to bear one's disappointment when there is someone to hate. Enjoy your anger boys, I don't have any energy for that any more. I don’t hate Francis at all. Francis is no Machiavellian person either. He has acted in plain sight. I appreciate he has done what he’s done to benefit himself personally and professionally. I suppose it comes back to what you said earlier. I never had a childish blind admiration of the individuals in the band. So don’t feel disappointment in their actions. By his own words he has acted in his own interests. Yes it’s a business. Which is fair enough. However as he has made money repeatedly by airing his dirty laundry in public, it is reasonable to make decisions based on his words and actions that are a matter of public record. I clearly find it very hard to understand your posts. What I experience is a fan calling out a band member in a negative light. And that is okay, as far as the forum goes. I'm not trying to change your opinion. But my experience of reading your posts is dark, to use your own word, cynical and I felt that underlying was anger. Clearly I am wrong. And to be clear, I also see that Francis is a flawed individual and I wish he hadn't aired dirty laundry in public too. But he's always the first to admit how flawed he is. I no longer hold him the high regard I did as a teenager but I can't see his wish to survive (by the only way he wanted to make a living) in the corrupt, dark world of showbiz and the music biz is full of darkness, as negatively as other fans do. He did what he did to survive in a cut-throat world.
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Post by quomaster on Sept 16, 2019 10:54:08 GMT
God this is boring....this hijacking of threads to whinge and whine has closed two boards in the past. Just address the bloody topic at hand and take the CQ/FF arguments to the threads so titled so we can choose whether to read or not.
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Post by unspokenwords on Sept 16, 2019 12:15:31 GMT
God this is boring....this hijacking of threads to whinge and whine has closed two boards in the past. Just address the bloody topic at hand and take the CQ/FF arguments to the threads so titled so we can choose whether to read or not.
I don't see any 'hijacking' of threads to whinge and whine. There seems to be very sensitive people who cannot stand alternative discussion and whinge and whine about it. Status Quo has a fractured history and any discussion of the band and the current band where it continues to use the name, history, legacy, music etc., will inevitably bring up these discussions. I think some people want all is 'rosy around the door' discussions and self congratulatory boring discussions where everyone agrees. There is I think another board for this? Status Quo also have a marketing department also putting out this message/propaganda on various sites. To close out/down and criticise this discussion is wrong where openness and inclusivity should be welcomed and encouraged.
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