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Post by quomaster on Jan 23, 2017 21:27:16 GMT
*humungous sigh*
This is a sad thread - again, we are having this discussion because of someone's personal perception of what the truth is. And this is the issue I have with much of what DQ posts.
Now I agree that Rick went on the outer because he wanted to continue with FF and I also agree FF would have been better than current SQ. I was also looking forward to PLC. On the other hand I listen to the current lineup and take each track on its merits. Again, WE have no say, nor control, in what happens within that bubble of people. I wish the Beatles got back together, I wish Ray and Dave got on, I can't understand why Noddy just walked away from performing, I am angry at Angus for just dumping Brian like a turd. I am no Francis "lover", but what happened over the years has happened. It is nobody's "fault" - it's life, and conflict is a part of life.
This is a time of high emotion, grief, anger and hence blame and this thread was predictable. Again if you want to pin your "evidence" on a draft quote from a book that may never be published, and a couple of sentences that may not have even by written by Rick himself suit yourself. It has happened many times before that a ghost writer has written a book, presented it to the subject and had to change pages of it because it was incorrect. Of course I am not saying that did happen but I am looking at the other side and possibilities, unlike a couple of others who know the facts and are building a "timeline" to justify their vitriol.
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Post by dontquoteme on Jan 23, 2017 22:22:45 GMT
For years, he has said Alan is too macho and acts the hard man etc and yet, Alan has been the one showing the emotion about what happened to him back in 86 for years , and Francis is the one who acts the "hard man" and doesn't show any emotion, the whole time. As posted previously, I'm reluctant to post over critical comments at a very sad time, but I have to agree with this. Its probably one of my main disappointments about Francis because I freely admit I was one of those with her eyes blinkered and shut who used to think that Francis was the refreshingly 'unmacho' one.
I've got the DVD, but still watched "Hello Quo" anyway the other night on BBC4. Unfortunately the one gratuitously swearing and being "Jack The Lad" to the camera most of any of them was ...Francis. By a country mile.
Alan came across in articulate contrast compared to Francis - with, unlike Francis, no pretentious and annoying bullsh1t trying too hard to play to the camera, create a reaction and attract self attention to protect a fragile ego.
Alan has grown up in this respect. He knows how to be himself, as did Rick ( for all his lack of self will and discipline).
John is also your every day down to earth guy who is simply himself
Sadly, Francis is clearly uncomfortable in his own skin and his idiosyncrasies seem to magnify and jar more and more the further he gets into old age.
Watching that documentary brings the truth of this impression home very hard. Especially in the sad circumstances that have evolved since
You've hit the nail right on the head there cat lady. I loved watching the interviews with everyone in the hello Quo Doc, with the exception of Rossi who is just cringeworthy.
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Post by derryquo on Jan 24, 2017 0:03:00 GMT
*humungous sigh* This is a sad thread - again, we are having this discussion because of someone's personal perception of what the truth is. And this is the issue I have with much of what DQ posts. Now I agree that Rick went on the outer because he wanted to continue with FF and I also agree FF would have been better than current SQ. I was also looking forward to PLC. On the other hand I listen to the current lineup and take each track on its merits. Again, WE have no say, nor control, in what happens within that bubble of people. I wish the Beatles got back together, I wish Ray and Dave got on, I can't understand why Noddy just walked away from performing, I am angry at Angus for just dumping Brian like a turd. I am no Francis "lover", but what happened over the years has happened. It is nobody's "fault" - it's life, and conflict is a part of life. This is a time of high emotion, grief, anger and hence blame and this thread was predictable. Again if you want to pin your "evidence" on a draft quote from a book that may never be published, and a couple of sentences that may not have even by written by Rick himself suit yourself. It has happened many times before that a ghost writer has written a book, presented it to the subject and had to change pages of it because it was incorrect. Of course I am not saying that did happen but I am looking at the other side and possibilities, unlike a couple of others who know the facts and are building a "timeline" to justify their vitriol. Perception of truth. ..tell me what in the post is inaccurate.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 24, 2017 0:06:42 GMT
As posted previously, I'm reluctant to post over critical comments at a very sad time, but I have to agree with this. Its probably one of my main disappointments about Francis because I freely admit I was one of those with her eyes blinkered and shut who used to think that Francis was the refreshingly 'unmacho' one.
I've got the DVD, but still watched "Hello Quo" anyway the other night on BBC4. Unfortunately the one gratuitously swearing and being "Jack The Lad" to the camera most of any of them was ...Francis. By a country mile.
Alan came across in articulate contrast compared to Francis - with, unlike Francis, no pretentious and annoying bullsh1t trying too hard to play to the camera, create a reaction and attract self attention to protect a fragile ego.
Alan has grown up in this respect. He knows how to be himself, as did Rick ( for all his lack of self will and discipline).
John is also your every day down to earth guy who is simply himself
Sadly, Francis is clearly uncomfortable in his own skin and his idiosyncrasies seem to magnify and jar more and more the further he gets into old age.
Watching that documentary brings the truth of this impression home very hard. Especially in the sad circumstances that have evolved since
You've hit the nail right on the head there cat lady. I loved watching the interviews with everyone in the hello Quo Doc, with the exception of Rossi who is just cringeworthy. The interviews with Rossi are better on the 'Party Ain't Over Yet' doc... not down to Alan Parker, just how Rossi is these days which is sad really. I don't normally have a go at Rossi but he really is insecure about his playing... I wouldn't quite call him a show off though. He used to play with such passion and he's just lost it over time and only he really knows why. Maybe he's not that interested in the business any more and just continuing just so he can get buy paying bills and such when he does stop. Quo live is just a routine performance these days... Somehow in '84, fans managed to get it across to the band that they need to add some new songs to the set and bring back old ones and they did it... How long have fans complained about Heavy Traffic tracks being in the set on the INTERNET and they've still done fuck all? Stupid how they've ended up from what they were
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Post by Railroad17 on Jan 24, 2017 2:09:41 GMT
I was in the audience about 20 feet back between Rossi and Parfitt microphone and I couldn't have given a flying fuck if they hated one anothers guts...just play the music so I can forget all that everyday shit that sometimes comes my way.I had 3000 mates that night and did anyone give a shit about how they got? A big fucking no is the answer...and still is.
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Post by Railroad17 on Jan 24, 2017 6:10:37 GMT
This won't be a perfect timeline..so feel free to add to, and afterwards, if you still want to support the current pathetic band, good luck to you. After 2014, FF- was pretty clear that Francis made it clear it wouldn't be happening again, regardless of Ricks view. Francis done a radio interview that made it clear, Rick could head off and do PLC Reports in media that they no longer spoke. Appostic was recorded largely without Rick, and a dog in the street could see Rick wasn't happy. For some reason Freddie played guitar on Appistic the band started to play gigs without Rick, and used insurance as an excuse, when in fact they have cancelled many times because of Francis they announce last electric tour, and Rick admits its more about what Francis wants than anyone else. they choose to continue on with the last electric tour, even if you believe the insurance shite, why does Francis have to talk about how good the band are now and how great Richie is, without one mention of Rick Rick announces that he wants to be a rocker and is fit but choosing to leave quo. Within hours Porter announces that despite press statements to the contrary , Rick will still be involved with quo, something not right there. Rick sends initial draft of autobiography to publishers, highlighting the problems with Francis. feel free to add, but Rick has been treated appallingly, and no doubt I believe died in a very unhappy way with the way he was treated. I hope lynsey finishes the book, the truth about this pathetic band should be told. The Gospel according to derryquo. "why does Francis have to talk about how good the band are now and how great Richie is, without one mention of Rick" He's hardly going to say the new lads shit don't come to the concerts is he DQ.The statements about RP's health are confusing at best,If his heart is that bad going on stage and the adreneline before the show could be dangerous but on the other hand I doubt if the driving test is a walk in the park either.It's all rather sad that they didn't go out in an FF blaze of glory but they didn't basically because FR still feels an atmosphere when AL is around and that's it DQ.It can also be said that the FF tours took place in periods that were usually gig free for Quo.The FF gigs were 26 hard and intense concerts followed by tours with CQ,bit much for a bloke with a dodgy ticker. Read more: statusquo.boards.net/thread/7192/chronology-rick-treated#ixzz4WehTlX7l
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Post by threechordboogie on Jan 24, 2017 8:49:56 GMT
The Gospel according to derryquo. Are there any parts of this inaccurate. ..actually I think there is more to add..feel free or feel free to dis pure any of it...Other than that I will conclude you have made a meaningless comment.. After 2014, FF- was pretty clear that Francis made it clear it wouldn't be happening again, regardless of Ricks view.
So Rick and Francis fell out? Shock! Horror! That was always going to be a consequence of the FF tours in 2013 and 2014. An FF reformation on a permanent basis needed to be a unanimous decision - and Francis vetoed it. Reports in media that they no longer spoke.
I always though 'the media' made these stories up. That was the common view on here at Rick's funeral last week, so what's changed? The band started to play gigs without Rick, and used insurance as an excuse, when in fact they have cancelled many times because of Francis.
The insurance excuse is extremely plausible. Rick had a history of heart trouble, commonly known as a 'pre-existing condition' and so not covered by insurance. Normal practice. On the Rolling Stones tour of 2014, it came out during a legal dispute that Keith Richards was not covered by the insurance policy in case of “alcohol abuse, liver failure and/or disease and osteoarthritis”, or for any condition related to his fall from a coconut tree in Fiji in 2006 and subsequent brain surgery. Guitarist Ronnie Wood was not covered in case of “alcohol abuse”. More info: Rolling Stones 'deeply upset' after personal health details leaked to publicFor some reason Freddie played guitar on Appistic.
But you don't know what that reason is. Rick announces that he wants to be a rocker and is fit but choosing to leave quo. Within hours Porter announces that despite press statements to the contrary, Rick will still be involved with Quo, something not right there.
How do you define 'involved'? Whatever he said, the truth is that Rick was forced out of Quo by his health. Up until then he seemed happy enough to go along with it. Rick sends initial draft of autobiography to publishers, highlighting the problems with Francis.
Speculation. You don't really know how far (if at all) this had got. Celebs don't write autobiogs, they get ghost writers to do it. It would have been either the band manager's job or the publisher's to get someone in to interview Rick over a few weeks. What would Rick have said? That Francis has 'a tiny todger'? If you still want to support the current pathetic band, good luck to you.
Ha ha! Thank you.
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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 24, 2017 10:32:54 GMT
I go away for a few days and it all kicks off!
I'm going to go through all the threads so please don't be surprised if some posts get moved to admin.
Let's keep stuff on topic and not get into slanging matches. The death of Rick is still pretty raw....
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Post by granny on Jan 24, 2017 13:40:13 GMT
Rick sends initial draft of autobiography to publishers, highlighting the problems with Francis.
Speculation. You don't really know how far (if at all) this had got. Celebs don't write autobiogs, they get ghost writers to do it. It would have been either the band manager's job or the publisher's to get someone in to interview Rick over a few weeks. What would Rick have said? That Francis has 'a tiny todger'? As far as I am aware nobody has claimed that there is a DRAFT of an autobiography in existence. The Mirror claimed to be quoting from a SYNOPSIS which is another kettle of fish altogether. "The synopsis was sent to 4 publishers at the start of December" - Mirror. In my understanding this was a feeler to see if a publisher was interested enough to take on an autobiography. It is quite possible to float a synopsis without having written a word of the proposed book.
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Post by gav on Jan 24, 2017 17:53:46 GMT
Credit to those on this board that none of the posts relating to Rick's autobiog' tabloid articles have descended into the real nastiness of years gone by..
..if that sentence made sense.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 24, 2017 17:57:12 GMT
Credit to those on this board that none of the posts relating to Rick's autobiog' tabloid articles have descended into the real nastiness of years gone by.. ..if that sentence made sense. Probably the fact Fisherman is not here....Ignorant, nasty prick! Although, he's still spouting his "I hate Alan" craic elsewhere
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Post by gav on Jan 24, 2017 18:43:46 GMT
Credit to those on this board that none of the posts relating to Rick's autobiog' tabloid articles have descended into the real nastiness of years gone by.. ..if that sentence made sense. Probably the fact Fisherman is not here....Ignorant, nasty prick! Although, he's still spouting his "I hate Alan" craic elsewhere You can take pills for that... Take it you don't have any of these in your house?
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Post by gav on Jan 24, 2017 18:46:25 GMT
Eh? It wasnae me!
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Post by derryquo on Jan 24, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
Are there any parts of this inaccurate. ..actually I think there is more to add..feel free or feel free to dis pure any of it...Other than that I will conclude you have made a meaningless comment.. After 2014, FF- was pretty clear that Francis made it clear it wouldn't be happening again, regardless of Ricks view.
So Rick and Francis fell out? Shock! Horror! That was always going to be a consequence of the FF tours in 2013 and 2014. An FF reformation on a permanent basis needed to be a unanimous decision - and Francis vetoed it. Reports in media that they no longer spoke.
I always though 'the media' made these stories up. That was the common view on here at Rick's funeral last week, so what's changed? The band started to play gigs without Rick, and used insurance as an excuse, when in fact they have cancelled many times because of Francis.
The insurance excuse is extremely plausible. Rick had a history of heart trouble, commonly known as a 'pre-existing condition' and so not covered by insurance. Normal practice. On the Rolling Stones tour of 2014, it came out during a legal dispute that Keith Richards was not covered by the insurance policy in case of “alcohol abuse, liver failure and/or disease and osteoarthritis”, or for any condition related to his fall from a coconut tree in Fiji in 2006 and subsequent brain surgery. Guitarist Ronnie Wood was not covered in case of “alcohol abuse”. More info: Rolling Stones 'deeply upset' after personal health details leaked to publicFor some reason Freddie played guitar on Appistic.
But you don't know what that reason is. Rick announces that he wants to be a rocker and is fit but choosing to leave quo. Within hours Porter announces that despite press statements to the contrary, Rick will still be involved with Quo, something not right there.
How do you define 'involved'? Whatever he said, the truth is that Rick was forced out of Quo by his health. Up until then he seemed happy enough to go along with it. Rick sends initial draft of autobiography to publishers, highlighting the problems with Francis.
Speculation. You don't really know how far (if at all) this had got. Celebs don't write autobiogs, they get ghost writers to do it. It would have been either the band manager's job or the publisher's to get someone in to interview Rick over a few weeks. What would Rick have said? That Francis has 'a tiny todger'? If you still want to support the current pathetic band, good luck to you.
Ha ha! Thank you. I am confused. I asked to tell me what parts of what i said were inaccurate. I didn't ask for your opinion of what I said. So i ask again, show me what is inaccurate.
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Post by derryquo on Jan 24, 2017 19:25:57 GMT
I go away for a few days and it all kicks off! I'm going to go through all the threads so please don't be surprised if some posts get moved to admin. Let's keep stuff on topic and not get into slanging matches. The death of Rick is still pretty raw.... Well you won't have any of my posts to delete. ..I told the truth, offended no one...and not my fault if there are some terribly niave people on here...who will support this pathetic version of the band no matter what...but hey ho, they pay their money and take their choice...even if it does mean turning a blind eye to how rick has been treated.
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