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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:13:26 GMT
After I've read the last FTMO issue and Francis stating that problems with changing the set start for them with not knowing which songs to drop, I decided to put up a poll on CnC to help them solve the problem . The poll has had an overwhelming echo with a few clear 'winners', but just so the band can be really sure these songs can indeed be taken out never to return, I put up the poll on here as well. You can choose as many songs as you like. The big four + Army aren't included as realistically they will have to stay (but please move them to different positions ..).
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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 12, 2015 17:18:04 GMT
For me its half that setlist and I'd Army too. Do you think I could go for half price?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:33:14 GMT
For me its half that setlist and I'd Army too. Do you think I could go for half price? Only half the set list ? You're being generous .. I voted for (or rather against) everything apart from Caroline, BB and PP and I still had to pay full price
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:33:36 GMT
I have left just 4 intact !! Caroline, Little Lady, Burning Bridges and Paper Plane
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 17:41:09 GMT
I think they should just wipe everything and build a set from scratch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 9:34:45 GMT
I think they should just wipe everything and build a set from scratch. I agree ! Even if they keep songs, say Caroline, it doesn't have to be the first song. They could start the encore with it instead. Once they've got themselves a new opener (Hard Time i.e. ) the usual automatisms won't have to kick in either.
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Post by markquo on Dec 13, 2015 10:22:45 GMT
Always thought a full wyp would be a good opener Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 12:33:44 GMT
Aside from the obvious candidates of the likes of CUOY and The Oriental, The Wanderer, SYBIL etc etc - the treatment of BBJ adjoined in its 'stars on 45' way to follow on Rock and Roll Music has made the whole encore much closer to a Darby and Joan Club sing-along rather than the driving closing rock anthem it used to be. The reunion tours exposed this like much else.
I know we are all getting on, but its too soon for this!
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Post by per on Dec 13, 2015 12:42:57 GMT
I felt very generous at the moment and left six.
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Post by whoaskedyou on Dec 13, 2015 12:49:53 GMT
You are all again missing the point..leave any of these out and you spoil THE FLOW...especially that point in the set where the crowd reaches fever pitch at the start of CUOY.
Now, please do not torture yourselves with anymore of these threads you know it makes sense.
Peace and love and most of all no deviation from the path which is well trodden for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 13:34:27 GMT
I think they should just wipe everything and build a set from scratch. I agree ! Even if they keep songs, say Caroline, it doesn't have to be the first song. They could start the encore with it instead. Once they've got themselves a new opener (Hard Time i.e. ) the usual automatisms won't have to kick in either. I read something interesting you said on C&C about Francis believing Rick's last health scare being caused by the more full-on approach of the FF gigs - i.e. more effort required because of no keyboards . Did he (Francis) actually say this, or is it an interpretation you have of what he thinks from an interview or something somewhere
I thought that scare occurred on the bus after a CQ gig, during a CQ tour anyway
Health concerns are of course very, very important, but could it be a case of further excuses to justify prioritising CQ, the attitude to the live show and keeping the same choice of set list infinitum?
Would an FF gig rather than a CQ one really make that much difference, or was it simply coincidence and also a result of Rick's life style (as you also mention in that particular post?) Especially bearing in mind the ratio of CQ appearances, even with the reduction in numbers, would still fat outweigh any further, probably token final FF appearance (if it was to happen)
As you say, Andy could appear as FF + 1 (or 2 if Bob's poet in the wings appearance is included) anyway
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 16:40:36 GMT
I agree ! Even if they keep songs, say Caroline, it doesn't have to be the first song. They could start the encore with it instead. Once they've got themselves a new opener (Hard Time i.e. ) the usual automatisms won't have to kick in either. I read something interesting you said on C&C about Francis believing Rick's last health scare being caused by the more full-on approach of the FF gigs - i.e. more effort required because of no keyboards . Did he (Francis) actually say this, or is it an interpretation you have of what he thinks from an interview or something somewhere
I thought that scare occurred on the bus after a CQ gig, during a CQ tour anyway
Health concerns are of course very, very important, but could it be a case of further excuses to justify prioritising CQ, the attitude to the live show and keeping the same choice of set list infinitum?
Would an FF gig rather than a CQ one really make that much difference, or was it simply coincidence and also a result of Rick's life style (as you also mention in that particular post?) Especially bearing in mind the ratio of CQ appearances, even with the reduction in numbers, would still fat outweigh any further, probably token final FF appearance (if it was to happen)
As you say, Andy could appear as FF + 1 (or 2 if Bob's poet in the wings appearance is included) anyway
I'd prefer it to discuss things on the mb I actually said them - makes talking about them and quoting much easier. There's no reason why people can't be a member on both mbs. CnC has become a lot livelier as well recently - actually at the moment it is the bigger mb even. A short answer on here though: I don't think it was meant as an excuse to favour the current line-up. I think the way Rick had been partying - smoking and drinking during the FF tour - led to Francis thinking this way. The heart attack occurred just a few months later prior to the gig in Croatia. And I don't quite see what it's got to do with the live show - this could be changed no matter the line-up if they really wanted to ..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 17:13:41 GMT
I read something interesting you said on C&C about Francis believing Rick's last health scare being caused by the more full-on approach of the FF gigs - i.e. more effort required because of no keyboards . Did he (Francis) actually say this, or is it an interpretation you have of what he thinks from an interview or something somewhere
I thought that scare occurred on the bus after a CQ gig, during a CQ tour anyway
Health concerns are of course very, very important, but could it be a case of further excuses to justify prioritising CQ, the attitude to the live show and keeping the same choice of set list infinitum?
Would an FF gig rather than a CQ one really make that much difference, or was it simply coincidence and also a result of Rick's life style (as you also mention in that particular post?) Especially bearing in mind the ratio of CQ appearances, even with the reduction in numbers, would still fat outweigh any further, probably token final FF appearance (if it was to happen)
As you say, Andy could appear as FF + 1 (or 2 if Bob's poet in the wings appearance is included) anyway
I'd prefer it to discuss things on the mb I actually said them - makes talking about them and quoting much easier. There's no reason why people can't be a member on both mbs. CnC has become a lot livelier as well recently - actually at the moment it is the bigger mb even. A short answer on here though: I don't think it was meant as an excuse to favour the current line-up. I think the way Rick had been partying - smoking and drinking during the FF tour - led to Francis thinking this way. The heart attack occurred just a few months later prior to the gig in Croatia. And I don't quite see what it's got to do with the live show - this could be changed no matter the line-up if they really wanted to .. It seemed reasonable to ask, as the subject is surely pertinent wherever it is discussed and I had simply been interested in what was said where I read it. Conversation topics can be broadened in more than one place - I would not personally consider this an onerous or bothersome proposition
Additionally I would have thought that C&C 'policy makers' would have appreciated some 'cross-over' reading. Evidently that was an incorrect, if well intended assumption.
As this is obviously clearly neither convenient or appropriate for you to discuss, I will desist accordingly. Thanks for allowing a short answer however to be permissible as one-off
For what it is worth, I will just add to finish my contribution to this thread by saying that this discussion in my opinion does have direct relevance with the live show. Rick's role in CQ is relatively less arduous than the FF - as layered in the sound mix, is some parity of prominence given to the keyboards from Andy.
The conclusion one could take from this is that if the FF can play a fresh set never played in sequence before, as they did, on two tours, after 30 yrs of not playing together, with a short time for rehearsal beforehand to get up to speed, and where Ricks 'engine room' role is more demanding (ie without a keyboard mix, or with any keyboards/piano a sprinkled selective addition where appropriate); then it suggests, to me at least, that making greater wholesale changes to a CQ set has equally greater credence where the band have played year in and year out during that 30 years.
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Post by madtom on Dec 13, 2015 18:34:49 GMT
OTH, with Alan doing a lot of the lead vocals, it could be argued that Rick's role is less or no more arduous in the FF lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 18:59:27 GMT
I'd prefer it to discuss things on the mb I actually said them - makes talking about them and quoting much easier. There's no reason why people can't be a member on both mbs. CnC has become a lot livelier as well recently - actually at the moment it is the bigger mb even. A short answer on here though: I don't think it was meant as an excuse to favour the current line-up. I think the way Rick had been partying - smoking and drinking during the FF tour - led to Francis thinking this way. The heart attack occurred just a few months later prior to the gig in Croatia. And I don't quite see what it's got to do with the live show - this could be changed no matter the line-up if they really wanted to .. It seemed reasonable to ask, as the subject is surely pertinent wherever it is discussed and I had simply been interested in what was said where I read it. Conversation topics can be broadened in more than one place - I would not personally consider this an onerous or bothersome proposition
Additionally I would have thought that C&C 'policy makers' would have appreciated some 'cross-over' reading. Evidently that was an incorrect, if well intended assumption.
As this is obviously clearly neither convenient or appropriate for you to discuss, I will desist accordingly. Thanks for allowing a short answer however to be permissible as one-off
For what it is worth, I will just add to finish my contribution to this thread by saying that this discussion in my opinion does have direct relevance with the live show. Rick's role in CQ is relatively less arduous than the FF - as layered in the sound mix, is some parity of prominence given to the keyboards from Andy.
The conclusion one could take from this is that if the FF can play a fresh set never played in sequence before, as they did, on two tours, after 30 yrs of not playing together, with a short time for rehearsal beforehand to get up to speed, and where Ricks 'engine room' role is more demanding (ie without a keyboard mix, or with any keyboards/piano a sprinkled selective addition where appropriate); then it suggests, to me at least, that making greater wholesale changes to a CQ set has equally greater credence where the band have played year in and year out during that 30 years.
You do know, that's not what I said. You can do as much cross-over reading as you like, but it's simply easier to discuss things where they've actually been said. We even had various links up on CnC to this mb to help people find it and encourage membership on both mbs which does include cross-over reading. All line-ups would be able to rehearse and play completely new sets. It's a matter of attitude - nothing more, nothing less. Obviously it's successful what they do, going by the vast majority that go to gigs these days and very much enjoy them. The fact, that the set list they've played this year managed to be my least favourite set ever, makes me part of a very small minority, sadly. The poll at least proves I'm not the only one ..
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