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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 19:39:56 GMT
It seemed reasonable to ask, as the subject is surely pertinent wherever it is discussed and I had simply been interested in what was said where I read it. Conversation topics can be broadened in more than one place - I would not personally consider this an onerous or bothersome proposition
Additionally I would have thought that C&C 'policy makers' would have appreciated some 'cross-over' reading. Evidently that was an incorrect, if well intended assumption.
As this is obviously clearly neither convenient or appropriate for you to discuss, I will desist accordingly. Thanks for allowing a short answer however to be permissible as one-off
For what it is worth, I will just add to finish my contribution to this thread by saying that this discussion in my opinion does have direct relevance with the live show. Rick's role in CQ is relatively less arduous than the FF - as layered in the sound mix, is some parity of prominence given to the keyboards from Andy.
The conclusion one could take from this is that if the FF can play a fresh set never played in sequence before, as they did, on two tours, after 30 yrs of not playing together, with a short time for rehearsal beforehand to get up to speed, and where Ricks 'engine room' role is more demanding (ie without a keyboard mix, or with any keyboards/piano a sprinkled selective addition where appropriate); then it suggests, to me at least, that making greater wholesale changes to a CQ set has equally greater credence where the band have played year in and year out during that 30 years.
You do know, that's not what I said. You can do as much cross-over reading as you like, but it's simply easier to discuss things where they've actually been said. We even had various links up on CnC to this mb to help people find it and encourage membership on both mbs which does include cross-over reading. All line-ups would be able to rehearse and play completely new sets. It's a matter of attitude - nothing more, nothing less. Obviously it's successful what they do, going by the vast majority that go to gigs these days and very much enjoy them. The fact, that the set list they've played this year managed to be my least favourite set ever, makes me part of a very small minority, sadly. The poll at least proves I'm not the only one .. The 'it is the bigger mb even' bit is what underpinned that perception. Like there might a fee soon becoming required 'on subscription only' to the 'full text' which doesn't allow full replies elsewhere unless one is an affiliated member of the source where something is read from
Aside from all that very obvious and (imo) unnecessary intra mb competitive stuff, I was speaking about that 'matter of attitude' repeatedly back in the summer with regard to the band set lists and was sceptical already ahead of them reading a smorgasbord of polled votes for new songs, in trusting that they would just go along with it.
As just stated - there is no competiton for right or wrong, and it is not important who, or what, is right or wrong, but rather that fan base sentiments from any of Quo's represented mb's - whether that is this one, Ricky's previous board, or C&C have clearly fallen on deaf ears as shown with this tour
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Post by Quoincidence on Dec 13, 2015 20:03:36 GMT
Proposin' Medley is fucking awful especially nowadays... was not cleverly thrown together cause it doesnt fucking flow, it's utter shite
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Post by dennis on Dec 13, 2015 23:41:49 GMT
Obviously, I had to vote for them all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 5:48:41 GMT
Proposin' Medley is fucking awful especially nowadays... was not cleverly thrown together cause it doesnt fucking flow, it's utter shite I might have used different language .. , but yep that medley does not flow - it never has IMO, no matter the version. The only medley I can tolerate is the Mystery Medley, as that contains two of my all time favourite songs, which I'd not get to hear otherwise. I'd much prefer it though if they'd play two of the songs in full, then the next year the next two a.s.o.
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Post by sydneyquo on Dec 14, 2015 9:13:19 GMT
Wasn't Rick's health scare due to a build up of scar tissue around where his 1997 bypass ' joins ) were ? It's known as Furling I think ? If that was the case, I can't see that his role or workload in either version of the band could be used as an excuse. To answer the O.P, I'd drop SBYBIL, BOTE, TW, CUOY & TO. Although some of the others have become tired, if Quo came to Oz & played them then I wouldn't be disappointed. In saying that, as we have to rely mostly on U.K concert DVD's & they are all pretty much the same set, then I wouldn't be disappointed if they made wholesale changes for the U.K tours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 11:05:55 GMT
Wasn't Rick's health scare due to a build up of scar tissue around where his 1997 bypass ' joins ) were ? It's known as Furling I think ? If that was the case, I can't see that his role or workload in either version of the band could be used as an excuse. To answer the O.P, I'd drop SBYBIL, BOTE, TW, CUOY & TO. Although some of the others have become tired, if Quo came to Oz & played them then I wouldn't be disappointed. In saying that, as we have to rely mostly on U.K concert DVD's & they are all pretty much the same set, then I wouldn't be disappointed if they made wholesale changes for the U.K tours. Yes, I thinks that's right. Thanks for the complete answer to that With that, my little 'umleitung' is now complete
Your perception from Oz, where you get to see them so little compared to the brain-soaking oversaturation of the set list over here will be a little different. However, as you imply, I am sure it would make any gig much better to see new songs.
Any medley is not popular as far as I am concerned. The whole 'Stars on 45' thing devalues, like, the integrity of the songs (cool man! ) and adds to the Hi-De-Hi holiday camp atmosphere of the shows.
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Post by Gaz on Dec 14, 2015 11:35:50 GMT
Wasn't Rick's health scare due to a build up of scar tissue around where his 1997 bypass ' joins ) were ? It's known as Furling I think ? If that was the case, I can't see that his role or workload in either version of the band could be used as an excuse. To answer the O.P, I'd drop SBYBIL, BOTE, TW, CUOY & TO. Although some of the others have become tired, if Quo came to Oz & played them then I wouldn't be disappointed. In saying that, as we have to rely mostly on U.K concert DVD's & they are all pretty much the same set, then I wouldn't be disappointed if they made wholesale changes for the U.K tours. Yes, I thinks that's right. Thanks for the complete answer to that With that, my little 'umleitung' is now complete
Your perception from Oz, where you get to see them so little compared to the brain-soaking oversaturation of the set list over here will be a little different. However, as you imply, I am sure it would make any gig much better to see new songs.
Any medley is not popular as far as I am concerned. The whole 'Stars on 45' thing devalues, like, the integrity of the songs (cool man! ) and adds to the Hi-De-Hi holiday camp atmosphere of the shows.
I suppose we've got to give Quo credit where it's due in still drip feeding us in Oz with tours. Me.. I go to their gigs when they tour here because I love a loud boogie rock sound and especially l savour watching a genius rhythm guitarist at play. Its worth every cent imo. I've accepted CQ is a totally different band from the one I last saw in '78 but CQ still leaves most people walking out with smiles on their faces. As far as set list goes... Drop Gerdundula, The Oriental, The Wanderer, Rock n roll Music.
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Post by sydneyquo on Dec 14, 2015 11:45:50 GMT
Wasn't Rick's health scare due to a build up of scar tissue around where his 1997 bypass ' joins ) were ? It's known as Furling I think ? If that was the case, I can't see that his role or workload in either version of the band could be used as an excuse. To answer the O.P, I'd drop SBYBIL, BOTE, TW, CUOY & TO. Although some of the others have become tired, if Quo came to Oz & played them then I wouldn't be disappointed. In saying that, as we have to rely mostly on U.K concert DVD's & they are all pretty much the same set, then I wouldn't be disappointed if they made wholesale changes for the U.K tours. Yes, I thinks that's right. Thanks for the complete answer to that With that, my little 'umleitung' is now complete
Your perception from Oz, where you get to see them so little compared to the brain-soaking oversaturation of the set list over here will be a little different. However, as you imply, I am sure it would make any gig much better to see new songs.
Any medley is not popular as far as I am concerned. The whole 'Stars on 45' thing devalues, like, the integrity of the songs (cool man! ) and adds to the Hi-De-Hi holiday camp atmosphere of the shows.
Absolutly agree . If i'd seen them 100 times in the last 5 years and they didn't play Caroline ? Oh well . However, as we wait 5 years out here to see them at all, well ? If they don't play Caroline then there's trouble . In saying that, it's not that I'd like the Casuals set either, lets just say if they played Umleitung then I'd be delighted. So what you say of ' perspective ' is bang on . The songs I chose are from my point of view as an Australian, as in if they came down and didn't play The Wanderer then who cares ? If they did then I'd whinge that they should have played something better. I fully understand the U.K fustration with the set list. I think what I was getting at in regards to Dvd's is that if I get a Dvd today, it's the same bloody set list as one I got two years ago and the same two years before that. Same stage moves, same stage chat and anything that might be slightly new just sucks ( eg: Rossi playing a different guitar & slurring half of the lyrics ) So from that point of view I get the U.K fustration. Not a fan of the medleys either as such, but if I saw them live and get 20 songs instead of 14 then i'm happy from one point of view as I want to hear as many as possible, just on the other hand I want " As many as possible " to be full versions. Bloody difficult fan I am, not happy either way. No wonder they don't play here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:03:34 GMT
Yes, I thinks that's right. Thanks for the complete answer to that With that, my little 'umleitung' is now complete
Your perception from Oz, where you get to see them so little compared to the brain-soaking oversaturation of the set list over here will be a little different. However, as you imply, I am sure it would make any gig much better to see new songs.
Any medley is not popular as far as I am concerned. The whole 'Stars on 45' thing devalues, like, the integrity of the songs (cool man! ) and adds to the Hi-De-Hi holiday camp atmosphere of the shows.
I suppose we've got to give Quo credit where it's due in still drip feeding us in Oz with tours. Me.. I go to their gigs when they tour here because I love a loud boogie rock sound and especially l savour watching a genius rhythm guitarist at play. Its worth every cent imo. I've accepted CQ is a totally different band from the one I last saw in '78 but CQ still leaves most people walking out with smiles on their faces. As far as set list goes... Drop Gerdundula, The Oriental, The Wanderer, Rock n roll Music. I left 4 songs intact (as posted on the other page) on top of leaving the obvious 4 hits that will never change whatever. This was a very generous gesture I feel
Quite a thought that 78 was your last gig.
Its strange what you say, I've become increasingly critical and unaccepting of CQ as a live act, and it was the FF reunion that emphatically started this process. Its not meant in any derogatory way to those who still enjoy the status quo of the CQ show - just frustration that so much music that *could* be available to tap into is barely utilised.
Another main factor for disinterest is that for the cost of a ticket, and the fact that such money is not instantly easily affordable for all of us - especially with other life priorities to think of, then it requires something much more worthwhile than the 'same old' to tempt a purchase.
My appreciation of CQ is with some wasted albums that contain some very good material, and a raft of alternative songs that are not, and look destined never to be represented.
The real interest however is firmly with the FF and the small hope that something comes together before the final chords are struck and the end of all activity, Quo related, finally comes.
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Post by sydneyquo on Dec 14, 2015 12:22:23 GMT
It's hard to articulate but in regards to CQ when I've seen them in Australia, I might suspect that it's a similar experience to U.K fans seeing the F.F again after so long. Say ' Juniors' was replaced with Marguerita as the opener, okay it's not the output that make the ' live experience ', it's " That's Alan Lancaster !!! , And John Coghlan !! ". Strange, but that's what I get in part at a CQ gig. Not so much what they play, more so " Sh*t !! I'm in the same room as my childhood idol, The mighty Francis Rossi !! ", " Rick Parfitt winked at me !! ". So, I guess the point is that we can be a bit more dismissive of the set problems as the ' live experience ' is the dominant factor. I do sound like a Casual don't I ? Not my fault I swear, blame the band !!
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Post by Gaz on Dec 14, 2015 12:27:10 GMT
I suppose we've got to give Quo credit where it's due in still drip feeding us in Oz with tours. Me.. I go to their gigs when they tour here because I love a loud boogie rock sound and especially l savour watching a genius rhythm guitarist at play. Its worth every cent imo. I've accepted CQ is a totally different band from the one I last saw in '78 but CQ still leaves most people walking out with smiles on their faces. As far as set list goes... Drop Gerdundula, The Oriental, The Wanderer, Rock n roll Music. I left 4 songs intact (as posted on the other page) on top of leaving the obvious 4 hits that will never change whatever. This was a very generous gesture I feel
Quite a thought that 78 was your last gig.
Its strange what you say, I've become increasingly critical and unaccepting of CQ as a live act, and it was the FF reunion that emphatically started this process. Its not meant in any derogatory way to those who still enjoy the status quo of the CQ show - just frustration that so much music that *could* be available to tap into is barely utilised.
Another main factor for disinterest is that for the cost of a ticket, and the fact that such money is not instantly easily affordable for all of us - especially with other life priorities to think of, then it requires something much more worthwhile than the 'same old' to tempt a purchase.
My appreciation of CQ is with some wasted albums that contain some very good material, and a raft of alternative songs that are not, and look destined never to be represented.
The real interest however is firmly with the FF and the small hope that something comes together before the final chords are struck and the end of all activity, Quo related, finally comes. Your 2nd last paragraph somes CQ up perfectly. You certainly have a way with words.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:31:00 GMT
It's hard to articulate but in regards to CQ when I've seen them in Australia, I might suspect that it's a similar experience to U.K fans seeing the F.F again after so long. Say ' Juniors' was replaced with Marguerita as the opener, okay it's not the output that make the ' live experience ', it's " That's Alan Lancaster !!! , And John Coghlan !! ". Strange, but that's what I get in part at a CQ gig. Not so much what they play, more so " Sh*t !! I'm in the same room as my childhood idol, The mighty Francis Rossi !! ", " Rick Parfitt winked at me !! ". So, I guess the point is that we can be a bit more dismissive of the set problems as the ' live experience ' is the dominant factor. I do sound like a Casual don't I ? Not my fault I swear, blame the band !! I don't think so at all - what you say is totally reasonable and makes complete sense. We can all have different perspectives from living in other countries and having different experiences and opportunities of getting to gigs, but still understand and appreciate those different perspectives.
My own perspective, if I was in your place would be like yours, I am sure - first of all though the biggest reward would simply be to visit Oz in the first place, let alone consider a gig and who and what was going to be played
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:33:00 GMT
I left 4 songs intact (as posted on the other page) on top of leaving the obvious 4 hits that will never change whatever. This was a very generous gesture I feel
Quite a thought that 78 was your last gig.
Its strange what you say, I've become increasingly critical and unaccepting of CQ as a live act, and it was the FF reunion that emphatically started this process. Its not meant in any derogatory way to those who still enjoy the status quo of the CQ show - just frustration that so much music that *could* be available to tap into is barely utilised.
Another main factor for disinterest is that for the cost of a ticket, and the fact that such money is not instantly easily affordable for all of us - especially with other life priorities to think of, then it requires something much more worthwhile than the 'same old' to tempt a purchase.
My appreciation of CQ is with some wasted albums that contain some very good material, and a raft of alternative songs that are not, and look destined never to be represented.
The real interest however is firmly with the FF and the small hope that something comes together before the final chords are struck and the end of all activity, Quo related, finally comes. Your 2nd last paragraph somes CQ up perfectly. You certainly have a way with words. Thanks Gaz Writing can be like therapy
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Post by sydneyquo on Dec 14, 2015 12:41:37 GMT
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Dec 14, 2015 12:44:29 GMT
It's hard to articulate but in regards to CQ when I've seen them in Australia, I might suspect that it's a similar experience to U.K fans seeing the F.F again after so long. Say ' Juniors' was replaced with Marguerita as the opener, okay it's not the output that make the ' live experience ', it's " That's Alan Lancaster !!! , And John Coghlan !! ". Strange, but that's what I get in part at a CQ gig. Not so much what they play, more so " Sh*t !! I'm in the same room as my childhood idol, The mighty Francis Rossi !! ", " Rick Parfitt winked at me !! ". So, I guess the point is that we can be a bit more dismissive of the set problems as the ' live experience ' is the dominant factor. I do sound like a Casual don't I ? Not my fault I swear, blame the band !! I am truly susceptible to being breathless at being in the same room as an idol. But it quickly settles down, and one thing that takes the shine off a musical idol pretty quickly is doing poor stuff. Their heroness tided me over the low impact recorded stuff, but they never let me down Live. (There have been some worrying moments in recent years, but the Quo Sound is still there somewhere). I have a lot of forgivingness towards Quo for two reasons: one is how brilliant they can be and have been (but then so can other bands) and the other is, even a lot of their not at all interesting stuff is more fun and more listenable that most other bands' dull material. I don't, for example, want to listen to Tommy (any version) but it sure beats Grandma by St Winifreds School Choir, which I survived the trauma of re-experiencing on a recent TOTP retro.
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