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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:59:30 GMT
Or are they simply expressing disappointing differences between the way the FF spontaneously evolved into the 70's and reunited marvellously some decades later, contrasted with the underwhelming way the modern day band are set to dissolve?
Does it amount to OTT expectations wanting a final FF hurrah as part of Quo's retirement, despite indicated closure of the original band following the two reunion tours? Should we all just accept how things are, get on with enjoying the last electric tour, and say nothing further that might be construed as over emotional repetition and appear derogatory to band and management?
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Post by lozza on Apr 6, 2016 17:17:03 GMT
I think the final tour should have been a FF one with CQ joining in on a couple of numbers. that would have been a great gig.
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 6, 2016 17:55:43 GMT
Or are they simply expressing disappointing differences between the way the FF spontaneously evolved into the 70's and reunited marvellously some decades later, contrasted with the underwhelming way the modern day band are set to dissolve?
Does it amount to OTT expectations wanting a final FF hurrah as part of Quo's retirement, despite indicated closure of the original band following the two reunion tours? Should we all just accept how things are, get on with enjoying the last electric tour, and say nothing further that might be construed as over emotional repetition and appear derogatory to band and management?
Closure by whom ? Francis yes. Rick no... Well not until he was told shut up and get back on the treadmill. For me yes. This is not a farewell tour to me, my Status Quo ended years ago. Briefly returning.
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Post by colmfoley on Apr 6, 2016 20:54:49 GMT
I think the final tour should have been a FF one with CQ joining in on a couple of numbers. that would have been a great gig. Lets replay Hammy 2013,,,Say hello Nuff,,,Say ello' Spud,,,Say ello' Rhino..as Rick would say ''the place would go mental'', letsrock
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Post by americanquo on Apr 7, 2016 4:13:22 GMT
Over emotional? Closure? Shit, I'd never heard of these guys before 2015 and even I recognized that the FF were the far superior band. Jeez.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Apr 7, 2016 9:06:26 GMT
I think it's all wishful thinking on behalf of the fans.
How many other bands get to do a proper farewell tour with closure etc?
The unique position we find with Quo is that, for many of us fans, there is the 'real' band (FF) and then there is this covers version (CQ) that we've had to put up with for 30 years, as a kind of compromise.
I'm sure that CQ don't see it that way - they must consider themselves a proper band, but they have a different point of view than hardcore fans.
So the FF reunion tours was them saying 'OK - here you go, will this shut you up now?' and then since then it's all been a bit 'meh' from the fans point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 9:07:02 GMT
I wasn't stating my own opinion with the OP - just putting the questions out there for folk to answer who will have different opinions
Many of us know that it seems to be Francis and management who hold the reservations about further FF. I think fans are entitled to be frustrated about this.
2013 revisited wouldn't amount to copyright at all. The reunion(s) simply tapped into a 30 to 40 year wilderness. Two tours scratched the surface. Leaving it at this has left many many fans starved for more. An underestimation and disregard of feeling and pent up fan demand by the management was an error of judgement. To state this fact is not over emotional or over fanatical, it is simply the truth.
A truth that is all the more pertinent as Quo winds down and a path is chosen to retire that excludes final acknowledgement to the greatest rock boogie era in the history of the band. The band who through their own instinct created the very formula. The formula that the management claims the last electric tour celebrates..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 9:17:18 GMT
I think it's all wishful thinking on behalf of the fans. How many other bands get to do a proper farewell tour with closure etc? The unique position we find with Quo is that, for many of us fans, there is the 'real' band (FF) and then there is this covers version (CQ) that we've had to put up with for 30 years, as a kind of compromise. I'm sure that CQ don't see it that way - they must consider themselves a proper band, but they have a different point of view than hardcore fans. So the FF reunion tours was them saying 'OK - here you go, will this shut you up now?' and then since then it's all been a bit 'meh' from the fans point of view. CQ are a band in their own right of course. The problem is that Live they choose to copy the original and not play their own music. Why record a back catalogue post 86 otherwise if barely any of it is going to be represented Live?
This has indeed been repeated several times, but few who detract from the opinion stated have come up with a proper answer to it, other than to protest it is unfair to CQ, repetitive and/or simply overrecting.
Far from shutting up hardcore fans, the reunions have had quite the opposite effect. And that includes fans like me who have also felt short changed by not hearing CQ's back catalogue Live, other than a token song or two from an album - which usually gets discarded unless rarely it is deemed to 'make the set flow' - like CUOY and TO.
What did the management really expect after 30 years?
Its a perfectly valid and level thinking question
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Post by charles on Apr 7, 2016 10:50:02 GMT
Far from shutting up hardcore fans, the reunions have had quite the opposite effect. And that includes fans like me who have also felt short changed by not hearing CQ's back catalogue Live, other than a token song or two from an album - which usually gets discarded unless rarely it is deemed to 'make the set flow' - like CUOY and TO.
What did the management really expect after 30 years?
Its a perfectly valid and level thinking question
That you would have turned up for the reunion tours?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 10:53:45 GMT
Far from shutting up hardcore fans, the reunions have had quite the opposite effect. And that includes fans like me who have also felt short changed by not hearing CQ's back catalogue Live, other than a token song or two from an album - which usually gets discarded unless rarely it is deemed to 'make the set flow' - like CUOY and TO.
What did the management really expect after 30 years?
Its a perfectly valid and level thinking question
That you would have turned up for the reunion tours? As luck would have it I only had enough money to pay for daily essentials like food etc - so I missed out
That is an extra reason to do with why another FF gig is important
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Post by Victor on Apr 7, 2016 11:07:24 GMT
That you would have turned up for the reunion tours? As luck would have it I only had enough money to pay for daily essentials like food etc - so I missed out
That is an extra reason to do with why another FF gig is important
I know what it's like to only have enough for the daily needs at times and missed out on too many good quo- and other gigs through the years...I was lucky enough to make it to the 2014 reunion gig at Hammy... if there would be a reunion tour again, you bet I will be there and I don't care if I have to crawl to it ! I never enjoyed a quogig so much as the hammy 2014 one !
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Post by Railroad17 on Apr 7, 2016 12:22:50 GMT
After watching some 70s footage with Roy Lynes might as well get him back.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Apr 7, 2016 12:24:18 GMT
I understand this argument about CQ being a band in their own right, of course I do, but I don't think I agree 100%.
Sure, on recorded output: agreed. They are their own band.
But live is a different story. Being a Quo fan since 1980, I only ever accepted Rhino and Jeff as necessary session players, to support Rossi & Parfitt in keeping the Quo name as a going concern.
But it all changed in 2000 when Jeff left at Matt joined. Because Rhino somehow seemed like he had been 'promoted' to be THE bass player in Status Quo, as opposed to 50% of a hired rhythm session. Do you know what I mean? My perception of him changed. It was like, "oh, yeah, he's established now" or something like that. That has only deepened with Matt leaving and Leon joining.
But all those old songs that CQ still play live, the songs that were famous before 1986: they are Rossi & Parfitt songs, so of course they're going to play them under the name Status Quo. The sound they make with different players may not suit our preference: the slickly produced blah blah blah, but we know all about that because we've witnessed the various change in tempos (the speeding up, the slowing back down again etc).
When Alan left, the live staple 'Alan' songs like Backwater, Roadhouse Blues, Junior's Wailing always felt like cover versions when Rick sang them, so I'm glad he doesn't do them anymore. Singing Backwater like an Elvis impersonator never did it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 12:54:14 GMT
The sound they make with different players is better for the collectively produced songs they own, rather than reproducing the songs that were famous before 1986. The balance has always been far too distorted. The originators re-appearance has placed a fresh perspective in this respect on how things might have been if the reunion(s) had happened earlier than they did. That cannot now be ignored, especially in light of the wind down towards retirement
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Post by lazypokerblues on Apr 7, 2016 13:12:10 GMT
Absolutely.
Even more so when they attempted the FF songs on the 2014 winter tour. It seemed obvious that they were at an impasse.
Imagine playing to an ever dwindling reception from your audience over 30 years, then getting THAT reception in 2013+14, then going back again to an even more frustrated audience.
Poor buggers - no wonder they're jacking it in.
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