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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 9:29:33 GMT
CQ are a band in their own right of course. The problem is that Live they choose to copy the original and not play their own music. Why record a back catalogue post 86 otherwise if barely any of it is going to be represented Live? Money. RTYD, UTI and ISOTFC don't make much now, but when they were originally released they did, and it was a way to promote the tour. If Quo had promoted themselves properly  from '86 to '06 (when the charts mattered and TOTP was still on the go) their albums would have sold better and more people would have gone to the gigs expecting to hear new material. The crowd would have been different - proper music fans instead of Mr and Mrs Smith. But we got unimaginative singles and never-ending promo videos of the band fannying about, in amongst covers albums and appearances on Corrie. Yes, its a result of promotion decisions from way back that have, over a number of years, increasingly attracted an audience who aren't interested in back catalogue albums - just the commercial image of the band promoted from reconstituted hits albums, corny adverts, and laughing and joking on the telly |
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Post by Victor on Apr 9, 2016 9:42:30 GMT
Money. RTYD, UTI and ISOTFC don't make much now, but when they were originally released they did, and it was a way to promote the tour. If Quo had promoted themselves properly from '86 to '06 (when the charts mattered and TOTP was still on the go) their albums would have sold better and more people would have gone to the gigs expecting to hear new material. The crowd would have been different - proper music fans instead of Mr and Mrs Smith. But we got unimaginative singles and never-ending promo videos of the band fannying about, in amongst covers albums and appearances on Corrie. Yes, its a result of promotion decisions from way back that have, over a number of years, increasingly attracted an audience who aren't interested in back catalogue albums - just the commercial image of the band promoted from reconstituted hits albums, corny adverts, and laughing and joking on the telly Yep... and of course management can be blamed for quite a bit... but not solely management...if quo themselves would have wanted different they could have done a lot more trouble to stand up for it |
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Post by stusqo on Apr 9, 2016 9:42:52 GMT
After reading cat lady I may well go outside and howl at the moon. What the fuck does it all mean? Life is over as we know it. Better get out my fav Quo album Piledriver and have a play, the record too. I think Quo should put together one more album. Call it Get a Life and dedicate it to hard core..... Wowee that should get you going Rockon Wilquo Aww-ooo 
Mr Charmer personified returns 
There is plenty to life beyond Quo, but you wouldn't realise acute realisation of this exists as a given before fingers go to work on the keypad  But this is a Quo fan site you see, and so we can write what we think about the band. Its up to the individual to decide what they read and agree with and what they don't. Best you get used to tolerating that
I see Gaz and Victor liked your comment.. Wow, you must be so pleased to have buddies. I need to be pissed to understand what the hell you are talking about. Funnily enough I decide what I read and, agree or not being the individual I am. I am sure some of your sheep will follow up for you on this one. Please tolerate my rant. Cheers Rockon Wilquo alias The Charmer.... ps. Bet you are pleased Gaz Poms like me were assisted to raise the iq of the country. On ya matey,cobber or whatever. Have a bonza night. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 9:48:43 GMT
In perspective I totally agree its true that the reunion tours did provide some late compensation for the decades apart, and its also very true that things would seem much more of an anti climax now than they do, if the FF had never returned.
However, on the flip side of this, the problem is, and where I have been repeatedly coming from, the reunions in a blink opened up a new precedent to follow. Suddenly we had a glimpse of another live experience which was not just a blast from the past (as Francis might describe it), but made us, as fans, think of the alternative we could choose over an increasingly staid, static and mechanical CQ show. In fact for me, although I wasn't able to get to the gigs, the footage and general reaction to the reunion gigs suddenly made me realise how much better things could be (Live) and just how dull, in comparison, the CQ live show had become.
There had been no comparison up till 2013/14
The hope had been following the reunions (as least as far as I was concerned) that CQ would respond to the reunion excitement and spontaneity by invigorating their own show with fresh authentic material (of their own) and ditching some of the happy clappiness. It was the failure of this to happen that was a further disappointment (for me) and adds further to the general disillusionment with the wind down finale that is in sight - and that suggests 'same old' right to the finish. |
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Post by Victor on Apr 9, 2016 9:48:44 GMT
Aww-ooo
Mr Charmer personified returns
There is plenty to life beyond Quo, but you wouldn't realise acute realisation of this exists as a given before fingers go to work on the keypad But this is a Quo fan site you see, and so we can write what we think about the band. Its up to the individual to decide what they read and agree with and what they don't. Best you get used to tolerating that
I see Gaz and Victor liked your comment.. Wow, you must be so pleased to have buddies. I need to be pissed to understand what the hell you are talking about. Funnily enough I decide what I read and, agree or not being the individual I am. I am sure some of your sheep will follow up for you on this one. Please tolerate my rant. Cheers Rockon Wilquo alias The Charmer.... ps. Bet you are pleased Gaz Poms like me were assisted to raise the iq of the country. On ya matey,cobber or whatever. Have a bonza night. LOL ! So now you have a remark about someone liking someone else's post ? I will like whichever post i want to like from whoever it is wether you make another sarcastic remark about it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 9:55:30 GMT
Aww-ooo
Mr Charmer personified returns
There is plenty to life beyond Quo, but you wouldn't realise acute realisation of this exists as a given before fingers go to work on the keypad But this is a Quo fan site you see, and so we can write what we think about the band. Its up to the individual to decide what they read and agree with and what they don't. Best you get used to tolerating that
I see Gaz and Victor liked your comment.. Wow, you must be so pleased to have buddies. I need to be pissed to understand what the hell you are talking about. Funnily enough I decide what I read and, agree or not being the individual I am. I am sure some of your sheep will follow up for you on this one. Please tolerate my rant. Cheers Rockon Wilquo alias The Charmer.... ps. Bet you are pleased Gaz Poms like me were assisted to raise the iq of the country. On ya matey,cobber or whatever. Have a bonza night. I must be a sheep myself by that token of what you suggest  I follow with interest what others write, and that often helps me in turn with posts. Its not a competition, ego or popularity contest. Its not about being right or wrong. We are all equal members and can hold any opinion we choose - as long as there is tolerance of others with different ones. Its possible to disagree with someone without making it personal |
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Apr 9, 2016 10:04:05 GMT
I see Gaz and Victor liked your comment.. Wow, you must be so pleased to have buddies. I need to be pissed to understand what the hell you are talking about. Funnily enough I decide what I read and, agree or not being the individual I am. I am sure some of your sheep will follow up for you on this one. Please tolerate my rant. Cheers Rockon Wilquo alias The Charmer.... ps. Bet you are pleased Gaz Poms like me were assisted to raise the iq of the country. On ya matey,cobber or whatever. Have a bonza night. I must be a sheep myself by that token of what you suggest I follow with interest what others write, and that often helps me in turn with posts. Its not a competition, ego or popularity contest. Its not about being right or wrong. We are all equal members and can hold any opinion we choose - as long as there is tolerance of others with different ones. Its possible to disagree with someone without making it personal I am liking this! Ba-ah ba-ah... Raising what? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 10:08:01 GMT
I must be a sheep myself by that token of what you suggest I follow with interest what others write, and that often helps me in turn with posts. Its not a competition, ego or popularity contest. Its not about being right or wrong. We are all equal members and can hold any opinion we choose - as long as there is tolerance of others with different ones. Its possible to disagree with someone without making it personal Raising what? Flock knows!  |
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Post by Buzz on Apr 9, 2016 12:57:51 GMT
Ewe herd it here!
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Apr 9, 2016 15:10:12 GMT
Flock knows! What was that band Andy played in before Quo?? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 16:55:39 GMT
Or are they simply expressing disappointing differences between the way the FF spontaneously evolved into the 70's and reunited marvellously some decades later, contrasted with the underwhelming way the modern day band are set to dissolve?
Does it amount to OTT expectations wanting a final FF hurrah as part of Quo's retirement, despite indicated closure of the original band following the two reunion tours? Should we all just accept how things are, get on with enjoying the last electric tour, and say nothing further that might be construed as over emotional repetition and appear derogatory to band and management?
It is my impression that there are indeed a couple of fans on here who come across as what you, Catlady, call 'over-emotional'. They seem to take everything the 'current' band does (or does not do, come to that) personally. Some tend to over-analyze the situation - 'FF' vs. 'CQ'. They come across as defensive and seem to feel victimized by what 'CQ' does, Francis says, Simon Porter decides, and so on. Emotions sometimes seem to spring forth with intensity when someone dares to mention they prefer 'CQ' to the 'Frantics' or admit they love the music and the gigs of the 'current' band. I think emotions started to run high when the original band reunited for their first reunion tour and Bula Quo was promoted at the same time. Probably not a clever move of band and management alike. I feel that the reunion gigs were very emotional and those who had seen Quo in the 70s felt reminded of how good they were in their golden era, and others who experienced the original band for the first time were left in awe when they heard that heavy, bluesy, raw sound live. Some fans have found it impossible since then to 'forgive' Francis or the management their unwillingness to go on with the 'FF', and they rant and rage and ridicule and insult other fans and band members alike. Francis gets blamed for anything and everything. Other fans just accept what he said about it all and are okay with 'CQ' going on. Their emotions might have been running high when they saw the original band again, but they have calmed down since then and are fine with what they've got. I don't think anyone had to put up with Quo after 1986. People do have a choice. People didn't have to go on following a band whose new members, music and shows they didn't enjoy anymore. When hopes are shattered, don't cling on to something that isn't there anymore. Move on. As I've said before, I sometimes find it amazing that people who 'hate' 'CQ' so much are still around talking about Quo 30 years later. And yes, the band that formed in 1986 was a different line-up, but they were still Status Quo - only different. They started to attract other people who became fans over the years, and they filled the venues, and in my opinion those 'new' fans of 30 years aren't all 'casual' fans, 'Mr and Mrs Smith' types, but proper Quo fans. Quo 'light' was and is a band loved by thousands upon thousands. There's no denying it. I agree that 'CQ' should have played more of their post-86 material live. It's a shame they didn't. But it's too late now to moan about it. We can talk and discuss and get our knickers in a twist as much as we like, it won't change a thing. And why should it? Things are coming to an end. There'll be some sort of closure. I know I'm quite sad about it. I would have loved to see the original band play a few gigs at least once a year, but it's not to be, so I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm sorry I won't see the band play any more electric gigs after the end of this year. I consider myself a fan, but not a 'fanatical' one. But I do love Status Quo. |
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Post by Victor on Apr 9, 2016 17:08:50 GMT
Should we all just accept how things are, get on with enjoying the last electric tour, and say nothing further that might be construed as over emotional repetition and appear derogatory to band and management?
Not in my opinion. I think fans have the right to express their dissapointment about things. It all depends all on how the criticism is expressed I guess.... Yea, some react over emotional... just as some CQ fans react over emotional to any critisism about their band. Having critisism on the current band doesn't make anyone a lesser fan then any current fan. Same as any current fan should be able to like what they like without having to be insulted by some ff fans at every given opportunity. Thing is that it's a two way street. Some are over emotional in their reactions, yes, and that includes some FF fans but includes CQ fans just as well. |
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Post by Gaz on Apr 9, 2016 21:07:59 GMT
I see Gaz and Victor liked your comment.. Wow, you must be so pleased to have buddies. I need to be pissed to understand what the hell you are talking about. Funnily enough I decide what I read and, agree or not being the individual I am. I am sure some of your sheep will follow up for you on this one. Please tolerate my rant. Cheers Rockon Wilquo alias The Charmer.... ps. Bet you are pleased Gaz Poms like me were assisted to raise the iq of the country. On ya matey,cobber or whatever. Have a bonza night. I must be a sheep myself by that token of what you suggest I follow with interest what others write, and that often helps me in turn with posts. Its not a competition, ego or popularity contest. Its not about being right or wrong. We are all equal members and can hold any opinion we choose - as long as there is tolerance of others with different ones. Its possible to disagree with someone without making it personal Ol' Mr. Charmer Stusqu will need to be really pissed to understand that post, catlady. ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:10:28 GMT
Inna - it's not a simple case of FF vs CQ. Forgetting the FF for a moment, as a fan of CQ, I'm sick and tired of Porter dumbing down Quo as if to imply that the band can't be a success without his puerile attempts at humour. They are musicians, FFS. Not children's entertainers.
Obviously, there are fans out there who wouldn't be fans of had it not been for the promotion, but they aren't the only fans, and it's a disgrace that they have been and continue to be exploited.
You may not like it that I single out people, but the likes of Mr and Mrs Smith treat the band like a doormat. They left Quo in the lurch after the covers albums only to reappear at times when it suited them. They deserve no respect.
And if it's apparently OK for The Blessed Francis to criticize fans (going as far as calling them w*****s) then it should be OK for him to have it back. Quite frankly, the idea that a Quo forum has to be some polite debating society is laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 9:40:16 GMT
Or are they simply expressing disappointing differences between the way the FF spontaneously evolved into the 70's and reunited marvellously some decades later, contrasted with the underwhelming way the modern day band are set to dissolve?
Does it amount to OTT expectations wanting a final FF hurrah as part of Quo's retirement, despite indicated closure of the original band following the two reunion tours? Should we all just accept how things are, get on with enjoying the last electric tour, and say nothing further that might be construed as over emotional repetition and appear derogatory to band and management?
It is my impression that there are indeed a couple of fans on here who come across as what you, Catlady, call 'over-emotional'. They seem to take everything the 'current' band does (or does not do, come to that) personally. Some tend to over-analyze the situation - 'FF' vs. 'CQ'. They come across as defensive and seem to feel victimized by what 'CQ' does, Francis says, Simon Porter decides, and so on. Emotions sometimes seem to spring forth with intensity when someone dares to mention they prefer 'CQ' to the 'Frantics' or admit they love the music and the gigs of the 'current' band. I think emotions started to run high when the original band reunited for their first reunion tour and Bula Quo was promoted at the same time. Probably not a clever move of band and management alike. I feel that the reunion gigs were very emotional and those who had seen Quo in the 70s felt reminded of how good they were in their golden era, and others who experienced the original band for the first time were left in awe when they heard that heavy, bluesy, raw sound live. Some fans have found it impossible since then to 'forgive' Francis or the management their unwillingness to go on with the 'FF', and they rant and rage and ridicule and insult other fans and band members alike. Francis gets blamed for anything and everything. Other fans just accept what he said about it all and are okay with 'CQ' going on. Their emotions might have been running high when they saw the original band again, but they have calmed down since then and are fine with what they've got. I don't think anyone had to put up with Quo after 1986. People do have a choice. People didn't have to go on following a band whose new members, music and shows they didn't enjoy anymore. When hopes are shattered, don't cling on to something that isn't there anymore. Move on. As I've said before, I sometimes find it amazing that people who 'hate' 'CQ' so much are still around talking about Quo 30 years later. And yes, the band that formed in 1986 was a different line-up, but they were still Status Quo - only different. They started to attract other people who became fans over the years, and they filled the venues, and in my opinion those 'new' fans of 30 years aren't all 'casual' fans, 'Mr and Mrs Smith' types, but proper Quo fans. Quo 'light' was and is a band loved by thousands upon thousands. There's no denying it. I agree that 'CQ' should have played more of their post-86 material live. It's a shame they didn't. But it's too late now to moan about it. We can talk and discuss and get our knickers in a twist as much as we like, it won't change a thing. And why should it? Things are coming to an end. There'll be some sort of closure. I know I'm quite sad about it. I would have loved to see the original band play a few gigs at least once a year, but it's not to be, so I won't lose any sleep over it. I'm sorry I won't see the band play any more electric gigs after the end of this year. I consider myself a fan, but not a 'fanatical' one. But I do love Status Quo. Although I don't agree with all of it, another well put together post as usual
However, I do think that your post continues to be as over analytical as you suggest others who appear to keep discussing this over and again - and I would readily include myself in that respect
I think that largely stems from continuing to make separate points in answer to different points of view that are being made. This probably results in the circular nature of the topic(s)
I continue to think that whilst it might be true that life goes on whatever decision Quo and their management make, and quite possibly it won't change anything by expressing dissatisfaction with those decisions, its also true that it doesn't invalidate those dissatisfactions - and we cannot seek to close down discussion by preventing people 'moaning'.
Perhaps those who are more equinimical about everything that Quo do might find it easy to accept the status quo, but that doesn't mean everyone concurs.
As for clinging to things that have apparently 'moved on', or should be 'moved on', a lot of this type of thing was said not that long before the reunions were announced ....and turned everything upside down.
Those who hadn't 'moved on' were actually vindicated in what they had been saying previously about the FF. As one who had been, incorrectly, a little close to the 'time to move on' collective, I readily changed my mind and happily conceded that such a view was premature. I think we should all be prepared to be open minded and change our minds and accept that we are not correct in all our views and forward thinking. Plenty of fans writing on the original mb did not see the reunions coming, and were forever dissing those who kept supporting the possibility (and the popularity of it).
In my view, we should be extra cautious still, in reverting to that type of speak once more. Francis says... Management says. And?
As unlikely as it might seem, and however low confidence my hope might be, I nevertheless think that based on the past - nothing should be ruled out.
In the context of this being the final wind down of Quo, then I think this all takes on greater significance. I for one, will not be 'moving on' and will persist with the changed view I have held since the curve ball thrown in 2012 when the FF were suddenly set to be seeing one another again for 30 yrs. It is that changed perspective that underpins my changed perspective about CQ. I don't feel obliged to be 'nice' to them about this particular perspective and 'move on'. If I disagree or am unimpressed, so be it. As same for others.
There is much more to this than just wistful nostalgia I think
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from '86 to '06 (when the charts mattered and TOTP was still on the go) their albums would have sold better and more people would have gone to the gigs expecting to hear new material. The crowd would have been different - proper music fans instead of Mr and Mrs Smith.
But this is a Quo fan site you see, and so we can write what we think about the band. Its up to the individual to decide what they read and agree with and what they don't. Best you get used to tolerating that 
I follow with interest what others write, and that often helps me in turn with posts. Its not a competition, ego or popularity contest. Its not about being right or wrong. We are all equal members and can hold any opinion we choose - as long as there is tolerance of others with different ones. Its possible to disagree with someone without making it personal 
