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Post by freewilly on Apr 7, 2016 22:00:47 GMT
As someone who never saw the FF in their prime and who grew up with the 86-00 lineup, I have to say I preferred the recorded output of the real Quo but thought the FF weren't a patch on CQ live.... At this stage I hadn't seen them and there is fuck all coverage of the real Quo out there. So, when I went to Manchester in 2013, I was skeptical.... Turns out the FF blew me and my thoughts away and cemented the FF as King for me. Plus I met some great people
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Post by freewilly on Apr 7, 2016 22:13:55 GMT
That gig in Manchester was littered with mistakes from Alan, John and Rossi but, it didn't take away from the magic
I remember getting the bus back to my hotel, alone... Covered in sweat... Lying on the bed thinking "Can of worms firmly opened"
The Quo fan in me wants to be there for CQ's last tour.... But that's only a tiny part of me... 98% ofe tells me I've seen Quo's last two tours and saw their last gig in Dublin
It's sad for the likes of me... And what could have been if Rossi wasn't so two faced
People like me were robbed.... CQ have been great for me, up until 2009 but, I understand now why Matt left. For Rossi to make such comments as he has about the real Quo is a disgrace to me, the fans but, to himself and his legacy
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Post by gerdundula3106 on Apr 7, 2016 23:58:56 GMT
I first saw Quo in 1972 and never missed a gig in Glasgow until the QPQ tour.
When JC was fired from the band with Rossis tacit agreement I thought wtf is going on.Pete came in and I still went to see the band.Then of course Alan was effectively "let go" in the same manner as John and I just couldn't understand why.
Out of blind loyalty I still went to see the band,went to Milton Keynes and live aid.Great gigs great weather and good times regardless of the obvious tensions in the band.
When the band reformed for ITAN without Alan I still thought I would give them a chance and like I said I still dutifully went to all the gigs and bought all the what are let's be honest pretty shit albums compared to the pre live output.
Now they or should I say Rossi decides to go out with a whimper I find I am actually angry with myself for having kept faith with a band who lost all real integrity in their music with the shameful way in which they treated two of the integral people who actually made the band what they were.
I feel sorry for the fans of the current band who never got to see just what the original band were like,especially as a live act.
I don't think it is being emotional to want a final FF tour.I would just like to see what were and could be again "The number one rock and roll band in the land" rather than some pale imitation.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Apr 8, 2016 8:05:22 GMT
As someone who never saw the FF in their prime and who grew up with the 86-00 lineup, I have to say I preferred the recorded output of the real Quo but thought the FF weren't a patch on CQ live.... At this stage I hadn't seen them and there is fuck all coverage of the real Quo out there. So, when I went to Manchester in 2013, I was skeptical.... Turns out the FF blew me and my thoughts away and cemented the FF as King for me. Plus I met some great people I remember us in the pub after the gig, and you looked shell shocked, Brian. Like you weren't expecting anything like what you had been a part of that evening.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 10:03:17 GMT
Age, health, rustiness and mistakes don't detract from an instinctive vibe that hasn't dulled with decades apart, and what made the peak years so memorable. It also illustrates very well that endless rehearsals, refined modern day production, precision playing and meticulous stage performance will never compensate for natural raw and spontaneous gifts.
Its good that those who were too late to be part of the glory years were able to get at least a small taste of how it used to be
A few posts in recent weeks have made comparisons with other bands in terms of how they have changed personnel, kept playing original material and yet their fans (unlike sections of 'hard to please' hardcore Quo fans) still remain satisfied without calls of pale imitation.
Quo produce a brand of music that is intrinsically 'Live' and spontaneous in its origins - unlike some of the structured prog rock bands who have created a sophisticated sound in the studio first, to then replicate on the stage based on 'intellectual' and complex musical construction.
Its much easier to replicate such a sophisticated procedure despite changes of personnel because the music isn't dependant so much on individual 'physical commitment' that adds up to a wall of rhythmic sound. Take just one element of that natural instinctive magic away and immediately it changes and detracts from the whole vibe.
Mechanical production transfers easy from studio to stage. Instinctive rock n' roll boogie on the other hand - when it ain't fixed, it ain't broke
Quo's rapid development as a rock boogie band came from a very live jam session approach (magic circle etc) It succeeded because of its spontaneity and not over planning and over sanitising it. Whilst times have changed obviously, the principle applied to a style of music that has its roots at least as far back if not further than the young Quo themselves, has not.
The current band have increasingly come further and further away from using Live ad-libbing to inspire the studio product - and concentrate on safe song selection to refine perfection of sound and stage management rehearsal as priority instead. The excuse is that the 'set has to flow' - but the truth is that the music is played mechanically and going through the motions as a quicker method to getting a professional and slick show out with minimal apparent error.
The fact that Francis and Rick, as half of the spontaneous original, are still present in reproducing the modern day sound has not been enough to compensate for the more mechanical and over rehearsed approach to the music in terms of the Live act by CQ as a whole. Repeatedly playing old songs this way, and at the expense of their own material, amplifies further the impression of more and more of the instinctive soul having been lost that was in abundance at one time.
Such instinctive soul was still present at the reunions. Having been absent for so long, it was bound to smack people in the face and provoke immediate comparisons with the modern day act. The errors, age and health restrictions actually added to the instinctive magic of it. I might not have been there, but footage alone is enough to prove that
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Post by stusqo on Apr 8, 2016 12:05:45 GMT
After reading cat lady I may well go outside and howl at the moon. What the fuck does it all mean? Life is over as we know it. Better get out my fav Quo album Piledriver and have a play, the record too. I think Quo should put together one more album. Call it Get a Life and dedicate it to hard core..... Wowee that should get you going Rockon Wilquo
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 8, 2016 12:12:15 GMT
After reading cat lady I may well go outside and howl at the moon. What the fuck does it all mean? Life is over as we know it. Better get out my fav Quo album Piledriver and have a play, the record too. I think Quo should put together one more album. Call it Get a Life and dedicate it to hard core..... Wowee that should get you going Rockon Wilquo Perhaps for you it should be called, 'I will buy any old shite'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:34:47 GMT
I think it's all wishful thinking on behalf of the fans. How many other bands get to do a proper farewell tour with closure etc? The unique position we find with Quo is that, for many of us fans, there is the 'real' band (FF) and then there is this covers version (CQ) that we've had to put up with for 30 years, as a kind of compromise. I'm sure that CQ don't see it that way - they must consider themselves a proper band, but they have a different point of view than hardcore fans. So the FF reunion tours was them saying 'OK - here you go, will this shut you up now?' and then since then it's all been a bit 'meh' from the fans point of view. CQ are a band in their own right of course. The problem is that Live they choose to copy the original and not play their own music. Why record a back catalogue post 86 otherwise if barely any of it is going to be represented Live?
This has indeed been repeated several times, but few who detract from the opinion stated have come up with a proper answer to it, other than to protest it is unfair to CQ, repetitive and/or simply overrecting.
Far from shutting up hardcore fans, the reunions have had quite the opposite effect. And that includes fans like me who have also felt short changed by not hearing CQ's back catalogue Live, other than a token song or two from an album - which usually gets discarded unless rarely it is deemed to 'make the set flow' - like CUOY and TO.
What did the management really expect after 30 years?
Its a perfectly valid and level thinking question
They'd be playing in village halls etc if they did that . Even possibly having to cancel tours .
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Post by Gaz on Apr 8, 2016 13:15:16 GMT
You're sounding like a true 10 pound Pommie., stuzz... Stop your whingeing and pay your passage over to your Motherland and bid farewell to Quo.... I'm sure Francis would love your $$$$ to help fund his kids Uni fees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 16:38:37 GMT
Hi All, CL, Am I wrong in this following assumption ? What you are saying basically the FF are more of a raw spontaneous orientated band where as CQ are a more technically minded orientated band both live and in recording new material albums ?
Geoff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 16:52:47 GMT
After reading cat lady I may well go outside and howl at the moon. What the fuck does it all mean? Life is over as we know it. Better get out my fav Quo album Piledriver and have a play, the record too. I think Quo should put together one more album. Call it Get a Life and dedicate it to hard core..... Wowee that should get you going Rockon Wilquo Aww-ooo
Mr Charmer personified returns
There is plenty to life beyond Quo, but you wouldn't realise acute realisation of this exists as a given before fingers go to work on the keypad But this is a Quo fan site you see, and so we can write what we think about the band. Its up to the individual to decide what they read and agree with and what they don't. Best you get used to tolerating that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 17:10:22 GMT
Hi All, CL, Am I wrong in this following assumption ? What you are saying basically the FF are more of a raw spontaneous orientated band where as CQ are a more technically minded orientated band both live and in recording new material albums ?
Geoff. I don't think CQ are especially technically minded, just more preoccupied with error rate over raw excitement.
I'm not sure that they have enough faith in their own product to play much of it live - otherwise it would be have much greater representation. They chose to follow the FF reunion set for example, rather than take inspiration from those gigs to shake up and freshen the set by playing their own songs. It would be interesting to know what percentage of CQ followers at live shows buy their album catalogue - bearing in mind so much of it gathers dust away from the CD player.
If they went to gigs purely to hear the permanent faithful set of hits and the odd token album song like CUOY, they would not really know much of what the band they are seeing are actually about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 18:59:30 GMT
I think it's all wishful thinking on behalf of the fans. How many other bands get to do a proper farewell tour with closure etc? The unique position we find with Quo is that, for many of us fans, there is the 'real' band (FF) and then there is this covers version (CQ) that we've had to put up with for 30 years, as a kind of compromise. I'm sure that CQ don't see it that way - they must consider themselves a proper band, but they have a different point of view than hardcore fans. So the FF reunion tours was them saying 'OK - here you go, will this shut you up now?' and then since then it's all been a bit 'meh' from the fans point of view. CQ are a band in their own right of course. The problem is that Live they choose to copy the original and not play their own music. Why record a back catalogue post 86 otherwise if barely any of it is going to be represented Live? Money. RTYD, UTI and ISOTFC don't make much now, but when they were originally released they did, and it was a way to promote the tour. If Quo had promoted themselves properly from '86 to '06 (when the charts mattered and TOTP was still on the go) their albums would have sold better and more people would have gone to the gigs expecting to hear new material. The crowd would have been different - proper music fans instead of Mr and Mrs Smith. But we got unimaginative singles and never-ending promo videos of the band fannying about, in amongst covers albums and appearances on Corrie.
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Post by accidentprone on Apr 8, 2016 20:23:34 GMT
We already had our FF swansong(s) in 2013/14 (and have the DVDs and You Tube videos to relive them) a fact we should be eternally grateful for. Imagine how much worse this feeble and overpriced ending would feel if we had not had those two recent FF tours.
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Post by Victor on Apr 8, 2016 21:00:38 GMT
We already had our FF swansong(s) in 2013/14 (and have the DVDs and You Tube videos to relive them) a fact we should be eternally grateful for. Imagine how much worse this feeble and overpriced ending would feel if we had not had those two recent FF tours. Yea, true ... thank goodness I was able to make it at least to the 2014 one
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