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Post by railroad007 on Jan 4, 2021 13:51:00 GMT
Enjoyed the interview that confirmed some stuff I'd thought about. It's really shit to work with someone you don't like for a long time especially if the bloke has violent tendencies. Great when he gets you nicked in a foreign country and banged up because of his temper. I knew a bloke from school and we were friends for a long time but his character slowly ground me down so that I could not stand him anymore. The Rossi/Lancaster thing is easy to understand if you've experienced the same sort of stuff. Is Lancaster a nasty arrogant violent little man? Stories about him seem to bear that out but as Rhino says what do we know. He must have the full story and from the tone of his interview he can't stand him either. To have a go at him on the board would only confirm what he says. I don't understand the criticism of John Coghlan but only from a musical point of view, could someone musical explain "he gives you nothing". I can see that point of view. However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan. So, it's certainly not a case of Alan being the source of the problem. Francis and Alan, the two of them, by all accounts, are just as bad as each other. Even on the DVD extras of Hello Quo, you can see Francis trying to embarrass Alan on that walk around where they grew up. You bring up Vienna and that is a very good point. However, on the flip side, imagine the friend you worked with was an ego maniac, who happened to be an alcoholic and a druggie and made decisions about your work behind you and your colleagues backs? But, on the other side of that, Alan fucked off to the other side of the world Neither of them are innocent! I take what either of them say about each other with a pinch of salt. They've both said some rotten things about each other down the years. Both acting childish in my opinion. As for Rhino, I've no problem with him. Far from it, I like him. I just take issue with him saying JC "doesn't get it" That is a ridiculous thing to say altogether. He's the drummer that was 1/4 of the sound and creation of the songs that you play for a living, man I have noticed Rossi digging Lancaster out on the Hello Quo film and on on stage during the reunion, he really doesn't like him at all. I try to think of it not as a rock band but if were a painting and decorating firm with ordinary blokes. The rehearsal for the first tour is full of Rossi digs and criticism , notice how Parfitt is marginalized and has to change the subject or use a distraction to avoid things escalating. I worked with a bloke I knew for years but he had temper issues that were okay when we were younger but started to cost me and the other lads on the firm money and good will. His nickname was "The Toddler" because of his tantrums. In the end I left the company rather than put up with his endless shit, it coincided with a move out the area which was good. There is nothing like going to work with someone you've grown to hate and who has no sense of compromise. I understand Francis Rossi from his comments about this type of issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 15:17:17 GMT
rhino saying he was going to hurt some people... him and who else?
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Post by freewilly on Jan 4, 2021 16:06:22 GMT
I can see that point of view. However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan. So, it's certainly not a case of Alan being the source of the problem. Francis and Alan, the two of them, by all accounts, are just as bad as each other. Even on the DVD extras of Hello Quo, you can see Francis trying to embarrass Alan on that walk around where they grew up. You bring up Vienna and that is a very good point. However, on the flip side, imagine the friend you worked with was an ego maniac, who happened to be an alcoholic and a druggie and made decisions about your work behind you and your colleagues backs? But, on the other side of that, Alan fucked off to the other side of the world Neither of them are innocent! I take what either of them say about each other with a pinch of salt. They've both said some rotten things about each other down the years. Both acting childish in my opinion. As for Rhino, I've no problem with him. Far from it, I like him. I just take issue with him saying JC "doesn't get it" That is a ridiculous thing to say altogether. He's the drummer that was 1/4 of the sound and creation of the songs that you play for a living, man "However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan" That's the point Will, it only needed Rossi. I think it's a real active dislike that built up over many years and the reunion finally got the monkey off Rossi's back and confirmed his feeling. I think he loathes Lancaster. Think it's more of a fact that he hates him. He cant help but try and insult Alan but, then says he stopped talking to him because Alan insulted him... Pot, kettle etc. Personally, I think Alan threatens Francis' ego as he will call him out on things unlike others. By the same token, Alan never grew up and matured and that's been his downfall. He still comes across as the bloke he was in the 70s and 80s. There are ways of going about things. I'm not for a second buying into the whole, "Francis didnt want to be around drinkers that's why he didn't tour with them again" narrative. Frankly, that's bullshit. He's in a band with people who love their booze and drinking sessions. He just didnt like Alan or John and could put up with Rick in the current line up as he had the other members on his side. Which is fair enough. I ain't gonna criticise him for that. The autobiographies are a giveaway. At the end of the chapters, Francis may as well have written, "needless to say, I had the last laugh" It's the stuff of Alan Partridge! My posts come across as biased against Francis perhaps and if they do, its because his lying unsettles me. Every single interview he does, there are a few lies thrown in and I dont like that about anyone.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 4, 2021 16:18:54 GMT
Great insight from railroad007 on Alan and Francis. And I'll add one thing. Back in 2010 when Francis was on his solo tour, I heard him give a lovely interview for a radio station in Ireland. And at that point, they had rekindled their friendship and Francis said he phoned Alan regularly. Almost every day (from memory). And it was clear to me that Francis genuinely cared about their friendship. No hint of any reunion tours in those days. Simply the healing of an old wound. So imagine the heartache for both of them, to go back on the road and then fall out. Of course Alan now feels bitter. And Francis is probably angry with himself for opening up to more misery and upset. I feel sad for both of them but realise that this happens amongst long term friendships. We grow old and change.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 4, 2021 21:14:56 GMT
Great insight from railroad007 on Alan and Francis. And I'll add one thing. Back in 2010 when Francis was on his solo tour, I heard him give a lovely interview for a radio station in Ireland. And at that point, they had rekindled their friendship and Francis said he phoned Alan regularly. Almost every day (from memory). And it was clear to me that Francis genuinely cared about their friendship. No hint of any reunion tours in those days. Simply the healing of an old wound. So imagine the heartache for both of them, to go back on the road and then fall out. Of course Alan now feels bitter. And Francis is probably angry with himself for opening up to more misery and upset. I feel sad for both of them but realise that this happens amongst long term friendships. We grow old and change. I was in a cover band with a very good friend of mine. He is a great guy but, being in a band with him showed me a bad side to him. Massively over inflated ego. Not as good as he thinks he is. Demanded I have my guitar sound like Johnny Cash Blamed me for his shortcomings. Underpaid me for gigs. Got incredibly jealous when songs I sang got better reactions than his did. You know where I'm going with this...Sounds familiar, doesn't it?!
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Jan 4, 2021 22:40:34 GMT
I'm not sure anyone who's never been in a band long-term and also been a friend with someone who doesn't mature will ever understand Frame. Alan was always childish, a poser. Francis started to take himself seriously because no one else was taking themselves nor the band seriously. Even Alan's songs became macho, pompous shite. As much as people will probably not care to admit, Rossi was the only one ever actively trying to keep Quo afloat, active and fresh whilst also dealing with personal problems and fame, whilst everyone else around him were enjoying themselves with no real thought for tomorrow. Rossi always thought of tomorrow. 80s and 90s Quo is only shite if you're a dinosaur who still thinks Led Zepp weren't just posers whilst the lesser-known bands ate and shite them for breakfast.
And queue the strongly-worded replies of Alan's god because he wore a biker jacket...
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Post by freewilly on Jan 4, 2021 22:52:45 GMT
I'm not sure anyone who's never been in a band long-term and also been a friend with someone who doesn't mature will ever understand Frame. Alan was always childish, a poser. Francis started to take himself seriously because no one else was taking themselves nor the band seriously. Even Alan's songs became macho, pompous shite. As much as people will probably not care to admit, Rossi was the only one ever actively trying to keep Quo afloat, active and fresh whilst also dealing with personal problems and fame, whilst everyone else around him were enjoying themselves with no real thought for tomorrow. Rossi always thought of tomorrow. 80s and 90s Quo is only shite if you're a dinosaur who still thinks Led Zepp weren't just posers whilst the lesser-known bands ate and shite them for breakfast. And queue the strongly-worded replies of Alan's god because he wore a biker jacket... No, 80s and 90s Quo is shite because a lot of the material is nowhere near the standard that one expects from a band like Quo! Simple as! Nothing to do with Alan. I dont need a biker jacket to tell me the cover albums, tripe like Speechless, Sail Away, Restless, Tommy and the majority of 1982 is toss. I say that as someone who loves the Army album and a lot of AC! And no, Francis didn't think of tomorrow. That is speculative to say the least. He was the ring leader in living it up and posing and he's the first to admit it. If he thought of tomorrow, where was his material for Army and AC? "Frame started to take himself seriously" No, he didn't. If he did, he didn't show it because some of those publicity stunts and chat show appearances were cringe to say the least.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 4, 2021 22:58:14 GMT
Great insight from railroad007 on Alan and Francis. And I'll add one thing. Back in 2010 when Francis was on his solo tour, I heard him give a lovely interview for a radio station in Ireland. And at that point, they had rekindled their friendship and Francis said he phoned Alan regularly. Almost every day (from memory). And it was clear to me that Francis genuinely cared about their friendship. No hint of any reunion tours in those days. Simply the healing of an old wound. So imagine the heartache for both of them, to go back on the road and then fall out. Of course Alan now feels bitter. And Francis is probably angry with himself for opening up to more misery and upset. I feel sad for both of them but realise that this happens amongst long term friendships. We grow old and change. I was in a cover band with a very good friend of mine. He is a great guy but, being in a band with him showed me a bad side to him. Massively over inflated ego. Not as good as he thinks he is. Demanded I have my guitar sound like Johnny Cash Blamed me for his shortcomings. Underpaid me for gigs. Got incredibly jealous when songs I sang got better reactions than his did. You know where I'm going with this...Sounds familiar, doesn't it?! "You know where I'm going with this" You're going to confess to being an insecure little show off?
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Post by steveb on Jan 4, 2021 23:10:14 GMT
hi everyone .have decided to rejoin you folk after a 5 year absence and will talk more soon. cheers
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Post by steveb on Jan 5, 2021 1:24:04 GMT
listened to the interview and it wasn't real pleasant. every thing rhino says alan is he is now becoming. he sounds really angry at the treatment he has copped over the years and I guess with some reason but as he advises alan its time to move on,life is to short. I must say the interviewer cane across as totally biased towards modern quo which didn't help the interview. these things are better said face to face and not like they were in the interview. ive met both alan and rhino albeit not for some years and both were more than polite and ready to talk.even though I much prefer alans work with the band I reckon he could of been quite an intimidating bloke to work with. cheers
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Post by mortified on Jan 5, 2021 8:18:48 GMT
Rhino? Angry? Now why would that be d'you think?
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 5, 2021 9:20:11 GMT
Rhino? Angry? Now why would that be d'you think? He doesn't have much reason to be. He has made a small fortune I am sure by standing on the shoulders of giants. Although I don't think Alan is very tall. Some on here say everyone should move on, it is interesting that he finds it hard to move on from a series of events that he was on the outside of. I am not sure what purpose he thinks he serves by carping from the side lines. I have my opinion and all he does is confirm it.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 5, 2021 9:32:14 GMT
Just one point I will make on the Reunion. Musically was it perfect, well no.
Was it any where nearly as good as the old days, well no.
Did thousands and thousands of people feel happy after going. I went to I think 10 shows and enjoyed them all.
Its rock music, I like a performance or I don't. Whether technically better or not, mistakes and all I enjoyed it.
If you don't get that, then you don't but I know Rick did. He loved it.
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Post by mortified on Jan 5, 2021 10:40:27 GMT
Rhino? Angry? Now why would that be d'you think? He doesn't have much reason to be.He has made a small fortune I am sure by standing on the shoulders of giants. Although I don't think Alan is very tall. Some on here say everyone should move on, it is interesting that he finds it hard to move on from a series of events that he was on the outside of. I am not sure what purpose he thinks he serves by carping from the side lines. I have my opinion and all he does is confirm it. People have moods
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Post by Gaz on Jan 5, 2021 12:04:21 GMT
I'm not sure anyone who's never been in a band long-term and also been a friend with someone who doesn't mature will ever understand Frame. Alan was always childish, a poser. Francis started to take himself seriously because no one else was taking themselves nor the band seriously. Even Alan's songs became macho, pompous shite. As much as people will probably not care to admit, Rossi was the only one ever actively trying to keep Quo afloat, active and fresh whilst also dealing with personal problems and fame, whilst everyone else around him were enjoying themselves with no real thought for tomorrow. Rossi always thought of tomorrow. 80s and 90s Quo is only shite if you're a dinosaur who still thinks Led Zepp weren't just posers whilst the lesser-known bands ate and shite them for breakfast. And queue the strongly-worded replies of Alan's god because he wore a biker jacket... Ha.. are you kidding? Alan was always childish? In every interview I saw with the band, during their peak, Alan was always the one who came across as thoughtful and articulate in his answers while Francis and Rick were naffing about in the background.
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