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Post by swisscheese on Jan 3, 2021 22:21:26 GMT
Alan is arrogant these days, so Rhino isn't wrong. For Alan to say that Francis put a stop to the reunion tours is because he (Alan) was becoming too popular for Francis is utter bollocks and laughable. The reunion tours were awful, in retrospect. They were great in terms of seeing the old lineup back together and the atmosphere, but musically it was shocking. Of course Rossi wouldn't want it to continue. It wasnt reliable like the current lineup with every member giving their 100%. Alan's health also put an end to that with him being carried off stage during the 2nd tour. I also find it childish and very school ground like behaviour when Alan says "everyone was on our tour bus and Francis was on his own". Loves to have a dig at Francis but then wonders why he wants no involvement with the PLC recordings. Hello. I have to take an issue with the comment that the reunion tours were awful. Francis guitar playing was brilliant on these tours. If anything, his playing since then has been awful. As a matter of fact, his playing had gone downhill for many years before the reunion but he was excellent for the Frantic Four in 2013 and 2014. See you out there somewhere soon...
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Post by musiktruhe on Jan 3, 2021 22:21:42 GMT
Mistakes here mistakes there.
But everything on the reunions tour 2013/14 sounded more like quo than everything else from 1986 onwards.
Maybe some songs were a little bit slower than in the 70´s but better than the speed kings versions of the 80´s and 90´s .
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Post by markquo on Jan 3, 2021 22:38:45 GMT
The reason Alan is bitter is because he had his life’s work ripped from him and was stabbed in the back by his supposed friends.Can’t say I blame him really. Cheers Yeah... but, the same thing happened to John in 1981. John just surrendered his shares to Quo at the time (iirc) whereas Alan lost his trying to sue the band which was a really stupid thing to even try. He'd made it hard on himself really moving to Australia, as he stopped turning up for TV performances / interviews thus making Rick and Francis the faces of Quo. That didn't fully happen until 1986 when the crossed guitars became a thing and it was just the two of them on everything. Even most of the older pictures of the band were cropped in tour programmes to remove Alan so you just had the image of Rick and Francis John was burnt out and had had enough of the constant touring and recording cycle.From what I recall him saying he didn’t play drums for a while after. Alan was staying with Rick in preparation for the Army sessions or whatever they were going to do and then behind Alan’s back went off with Francis . I’d be a bit upset about that too and he quite rightly sued them for use of the name,even if he did lose .Guess we will never know fully what happened,a sad moment in the history of the band though Cheers
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Post by matt on Jan 3, 2021 22:41:12 GMT
Here’s how I see it.
Francis is quite an odd / eccentric man in some respects. You just have to listen to how he is in interviews, hiding behind the facade of FR, making jokes that cover up an unwillingness or inability to communicate openly. Every now and then he seems to relax and when he does he comes across as wonderful. I think this is the real Francis. The interview he did in the coffee shop in Holland was a joy because he seems so at ease.
But the flip side he is a [former] alcoholic, former drug addict who has pissed millions up the wall, lost years of relationships with some of his children, fucked up numerous relationships ... BUT has cleaned up, turned his life around and is now content. Contrast that with Ricks last years.
If he doesn’t want to put himself in a dangerous situation with drink, drugs, late nights and temptation just to fulfil Alan and Ricks juvenile rock n Roll fantasies then I have much respect for him.
Rick seems to get away Scott free with the back stabbing accusations of 1984/5. Francis openly didn’t get on with Alan. Rick was putting him up but chased the easy money. I don’t blame him, but ....
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Post by matt on Jan 3, 2021 22:45:53 GMT
Alan is arrogant these days, so Rhino isn't wrong. For Alan to say that Francis put a stop to the reunion tours is because he (Alan) was becoming too popular for Francis is utter bollocks and laughable. The reunion tours were awful, in retrospect. They were great in terms of seeing the old lineup back together and the atmosphere, but musically it was shocking. Of course Rossi wouldn't want it to continue. It wasnt reliable like the current lineup with every member giving their 100%. Alan's health also put an end to that with him being carried off stage during the 2nd tour. I also find it childish and very school ground like behaviour when Alan says "everyone was on our tour bus and Francis was on his own". Loves to have a dig at Francis but then wonders why he wants no involvement with the PLC recordings. Hello. I have to take an issue with the comment that the reunion tours were awful. Francis guitar playing was brilliant on these tours. If anything, his playing since then has been awful. As a matter of fact, his playing had gone downhill for many years before the reunion but he was excellent for the Frantic Four in 2013 and 2014. See you out there somewhere soon... You realise saying this seems to ruin the theory that you are Rhino 🙈
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Post by freewilly on Jan 3, 2021 22:51:01 GMT
I wouldn't say it was musically shocking. Or the gigs I saw weren't musically shocking. Musically shocking suggests out of key singing and playing, everyone all over the place etc. There were mistakes but, Francis made his fair share of them too. Only one who didn't make a fuck up was Rick. From memory, it was Francis who only wanted two weeks rehearsals for the first tour. You don't do that on a major tour. You need at least 4 weeks! The line up at the time were constantly touring so rehearsing for them was no big deal. I guarantee that when this pandemic is over, if the current line up gig again, there will be more than 2 weeks rehearsing Also, if anyone tells me Francis' playing is spot on with line ups post 2000, they're clearly biased. His solos are absolutely rotten at times! He bends them right out of key/scales at times! I remember one gig in particular, Rick was staring at him during the solo in DWMT. It was horrendous!! I also have this theory that because Francis said JC was slowing down, everyone takes it as gospel. He did at times on the first tour but, it was nowhere near as bad as some make out. Although, 4500 times from the first gig on the 2nd tour is a bit shit. What JC does with his own band is his own business, I'm only interested in what he does in Quo. Yep, he made mistakes. He's the first to say so but, the criticism leveled at him was a bit much. Did Alan say that, about him becoming too popular? That's a bit OTT to say the least Matt done the right thing and fucked off outta there Sounds like one massive dysfunctional family www.cattales.co.uk/78-the-one-with-status-quos-alan-lancaster/This interview at 23:25 "I got a bit too popular again for his liking, so, he kind of had to find a way out." Also saying that he and John were well above standards... really? John comes in early (at 5:05) and even Rick looks towards him, more than likely thinking wtf. Why that was chosen as a DVD extra of footage from the other shows Moans about Rick and Francis getting OBEs when they did continuous work for charity (Nordoff Robbins specifically) post 1985, whereas I can't think of much else Alan did after the original Princes Trust donation back in 1982 which was done by Quo as a whole. He also mentions the PLC material that he wrote and tries to put it off as Quo material and says Francis doesn't want to get involved. It was never talked about as being songs for Quo, and was always spoken about as a PLC release. He knows full well it wouldn't sell without the Quo name being tagged onto it. I doubt, whatever there is, will be released. Just a way to keep people hanging on and speaking about it. It's been 4 / 5 years at this point since it was first mentioned, so if the material was THAT good, surely it would have been released. That's all fair enough and points well made but, let's not forget that Francis admitted he wished they'd let Alan collapse in a heap during the 2nd tour and has, at times, thrown Rick under the bus since he died. Alan might be an arrogant/proud/tough man but, it ain't all one way. As for the PLC material. None of us know a thing about it really and personally, cant say I'm too fussed about it. Rick is gone so I've zero interest in anything any of them do anymore tbh
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Post by freewilly on Jan 3, 2021 22:54:15 GMT
Here’s how I see it. Francis is quite an odd / eccentric man in some respects. You just have to listen to how he is in interviews, hiding behind the facade of FR, making jokes that cover up an unwillingness or inability to communicate openly. Every now and then he seems to relax and when he does he comes across as wonderful. I think this is the real Francis. The interview he did in the coffee shop in Holland was a joy because he seems so at ease. But the flip side he is a [former] alcoholic, former drug addict who has pissed millions up the wall, lost years of relationships with some of his children, fucked up numerous relationships ... BUT has cleaned up, turned his life around and is now content. Contrast that with Ricks last years. If he doesn’t want to put himself in a dangerous situation with drink, drugs, late nights and temptation just to fulfil Alan and Ricks juvenile rock n Roll fantasies then I have much respect for him. Rick seems to get away Scott free with the back stabbing accusations of 1984/5. Francis openly didn’t get on with Alan. Rick was putting him up but chased the easy money. I don’t blame him, but .... Not for me, I think he was a prat for doing that. He went about it the wrong way completely
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 3, 2021 23:53:48 GMT
Hello. I have to take an issue with the comment that the reunion tours were awful. Francis guitar playing was brilliant on these tours. If anything, his playing since then has been awful. As a matter of fact, his playing had gone downhill for many years before the reunion but he was excellent for the Frantic Four in 2013 and 2014. See you out there somewhere soon... You realise saying this seems to ruin the theory that you are Rhino 🙈 Reverse psychology? He won't put into print that Gary Blissett , Dean Holdsworth and especially the incredibly useless Lloyd Owusu were never good enough to sell hot dogs at The Den let alone play football.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 4, 2021 0:08:53 GMT
Enjoyed the interview that confirmed some stuff I'd thought about. It's really shit to work with someone you don't like for a long time especially if the bloke has violent tendencies. Great when he gets you nicked in a foreign country and banged up because of his temper. I knew a bloke from school and we were friends for a long time but his character slowly ground me down so that I could not stand him anymore. The Rossi/Lancaster thing is easy to understand if you've experienced the same sort of stuff. Is Lancaster a nasty arrogant violent little man? Stories about him seem to bear that out but as Rhino says what do we know. He must have the full story and from the tone of his interview he can't stand him either.
To have a go at him on the board would only confirm what he says. I don't understand the criticism of John Coghlan but only from a musical point of view, could someone musical explain "he gives you nothing".
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Post by freewilly on Jan 4, 2021 3:01:53 GMT
Enjoyed the interview that confirmed some stuff I'd thought about. It's really shit to work with someone you don't like for a long time especially if the bloke has violent tendencies. Great when he gets you nicked in a foreign country and banged up because of his temper. I knew a bloke from school and we were friends for a long time but his character slowly ground me down so that I could not stand him anymore. The Rossi/Lancaster thing is easy to understand if you've experienced the same sort of stuff. Is Lancaster a nasty arrogant violent little man? Stories about him seem to bear that out but as Rhino says what do we know. He must have the full story and from the tone of his interview he can't stand him either. To have a go at him on the board would only confirm what he says. I don't understand the criticism of John Coghlan but only from a musical point of view, could someone musical explain "he gives you nothing". I can see that point of view. However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan. So, it's certainly not a case of Alan being the source of the problem. Francis and Alan, the two of them, by all accounts, are just as bad as each other. Even on the DVD extras of Hello Quo, you can see Francis trying to embarrass Alan on that walk around where they grew up. You bring up Vienna and that is a very good point. However, on the flip side, imagine the friend you worked with was an ego maniac, who happened to be an alcoholic and a druggie and made decisions about your work behind you and your colleagues backs? But, on the other side of that, Alan fucked off to the other side of the world Neither of them are innocent! I take what either of them say about each other with a pinch of salt. They've both said some rotten things about each other down the years. Both acting childish in my opinion. As for Rhino, I've no problem with him. Far from it, I like him. I just take issue with him saying JC "doesn't get it" That is a ridiculous thing to say altogether. He's the drummer that was 1/4 of the sound and creation of the songs that you play for a living, man
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Post by musiktruhe on Jan 4, 2021 9:06:42 GMT
Francis wanted to be the only boss of the band and he managed to reach this aim. During the reunion he realized here I would not be the only boss anymore. That is for me the point.
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Post by matt on Jan 4, 2021 9:27:28 GMT
John was hands down the best Quo drummer. He has to be because he recorded 90% of their greatest hits and classic albums.
Taking the blinkers off though he is older and less physically able. He slows down every song and makes frequent mistakes. Rick and Francis were able to keep his tempo up because they are professional and have experience. Watch any videos of JCQ and practically every song slows to a snails pace
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Post by blagult on Jan 4, 2021 11:22:38 GMT
Unfortunately, as far as Francis is concerned, the other 3 did nothing other than tempt Francis to ruin all the good work he had done in his rehab over the previous 25 years. Childish behaviour knowing what Francis had gone through. Result was no further Tours. Are you surprised at that outcome ? If you are your acting as selfish as them. I Don’t blame him whatsoever !
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Post by freewilly on Jan 4, 2021 11:52:49 GMT
Unfortunately, as far as Francis is concerned, the other 3 did nothing other than tempt Francis to ruin all the good work he had done in his rehab over the previous 25 years. Childish behaviour knowing what Francis had gone through. Result was no further Tours. Are you surprised at that outcome ? If you are your acting as selfish as them. I Don’t blame him whatsoever ! Wouldnt go that far in fairness. We've seen footage of Rick, Rhino, Simon Porter all drinking and partying on the tour bus whilst Francis went to bed. Andy has had a drink on stage, Rick has had a few before gigs in the last decade or two If that was the case, Francis wouldnt be touring and would not be in any band
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 4, 2021 13:32:08 GMT
Enjoyed the interview that confirmed some stuff I'd thought about. It's really shit to work with someone you don't like for a long time especially if the bloke has violent tendencies. Great when he gets you nicked in a foreign country and banged up because of his temper. I knew a bloke from school and we were friends for a long time but his character slowly ground me down so that I could not stand him anymore. The Rossi/Lancaster thing is easy to understand if you've experienced the same sort of stuff. Is Lancaster a nasty arrogant violent little man? Stories about him seem to bear that out but as Rhino says what do we know. He must have the full story and from the tone of his interview he can't stand him either. To have a go at him on the board would only confirm what he says. I don't understand the criticism of John Coghlan but only from a musical point of view, could someone musical explain "he gives you nothing". I can see that point of view. However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan. So, it's certainly not a case of Alan being the source of the problem. Francis and Alan, the two of them, by all accounts, are just as bad as each other. Even on the DVD extras of Hello Quo, you can see Francis trying to embarrass Alan on that walk around where they grew up. You bring up Vienna and that is a very good point. However, on the flip side, imagine the friend you worked with was an ego maniac, who happened to be an alcoholic and a druggie and made decisions about your work behind you and your colleagues backs? But, on the other side of that, Alan fucked off to the other side of the world Neither of them are innocent! I take what either of them say about each other with a pinch of salt. They've both said some rotten things about each other down the years. Both acting childish in my opinion. As for Rhino, I've no problem with him. Far from it, I like him. I just take issue with him saying JC "doesn't get it" That is a ridiculous thing to say altogether. He's the drummer that was 1/4 of the sound and creation of the songs that you play for a living, man "However, out of everyone involved, only Francis has fallen out with Alan" That's the point Will, it only needed Rossi. I think it's a real active dislike that built up over many years and the reunion finally got the monkey off Rossi's back and confirmed his feeling. I think he loathes Lancaster.
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