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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 26, 2020 20:40:40 GMT
I think it's slightly ridiculous to judge the current band if you've not seen them live. Yes, I know I've criticized the FF reunion as a non-attendee so I realize I'm in a bit of a glass house. But anybody who suggests Francis hasn't been enjoying himself in the last few years is clearly in denial. I saw him in 2019. He was ON. By comparison, I still think his playing on what I've heard from the first FF reunion is pretty shambolic. He didn't like aspects of the reunion and it shows in his solos. He also seems to have found a happy medium balancing his pop and country side (thanks to "We Talk Too Much") and the more typically Quo side (on Backbone). Same goes for Rhino; a lot of the band's releases don't capture him particularly well (exception maybe Montreux 2009) but live, he's come a long way since Dexy's. This is just a fact. Finally, I just don't "get" tribute bands. I can understand going to JCQ and if they came anywhere near me I'd probably check them out but bands with no connection to the original? I had won tickets to see The Australian Pink Floyd Show and sure, they put on a good gig, played things that you wouldn't have heard at concerts by the original members, and there were some good video clips playing, but... ultimately I felt there was no creativity in there. Those musicians are talented enough to make their own music, but they go the easy way of making more money with someone else's, which is more well known. This may sound harsh but that's the way I see it. It doesn't appeal to me. So, even if Francis is slurring his words and messing up his solos (and we know he's been doing that a lot), it's still the one and only Francis Rossi. He has founded this band over 50 years ago. And if he feels comfortable playing with the current line-up, it shows. It doesn't really matter whether somebody can play better rhythm guitar than Richie (and Richie is no slouch, again from seeing them live). That's a futile discussion IMO. I'm curious who's arguing this, although the 'founded this band over 50 years ago' puts JCQ on equal footing with Rossi and His Four Employees. But yeah, Rossi has a right to do whatever he wants, and I enjoy a lot of it. Well, I can honestly not understand how someone would pay money to see JCQ, all the songs is too slow, John cannot hold a steady beat anymore, the tempo goes up and down - well, mostly down from the start of the song. He jumps from Straight to shuffle, from fast to slow in the middle of the same songs. And the musicians in his band isn't that professional either imho judging from YouTube clips. I've seen plenty of JCQ clips where they play songs like Paper Plane etc when he all of a sudden drops the tempo while carrying on playing a shuffle - and to my surprise the musicians in the band continue playing the song straight. Like, wtf? There you have it, you've paid good money for a band where the drummer plays shuffle while the other band members play straight!? That's something you'd expect from a school cabaret. Maybe that he doesn't allow them to change after how he plays? I don't know. I know that I would get really frustrated playing with a drummer that did those kind of things though. Just my opinion though, I'm sure many of you guys enjoy the heck of it and you think the same of QUO and I enjoy their live show so, we can meet in the middle I guess!? Edit: I found the clip:
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Post by Quoincidence on Nov 26, 2020 20:55:12 GMT
I'm curious who's arguing this, although the 'founded this band over 50 years ago' puts JCQ on equal footing with Rossi and His Four Employees. But yeah, Rossi has a right to do whatever he wants, and I enjoy a lot of it. Well, I can honestly not understand how someone would pay money to see JCQ, all the songs is too slow, John cannot hold a steady beat anymore, the tempo goes up and down - well, mostly down from the start of the song. He jumps from Straight to shuffle, from fast to slow in the middle of the same songs. And the musicians in his band isn't that professional either imho judging from YouTube clips. I've seen plenty of JCQ clips where they play songs like Paper Plane etc when he all of a sudden drops the tempo while carrying on playing a shuffle - and to my surprise the musicians in the band continue playing the song straight. Like, wtf? There you have it, you've paid good money for a band where the drummer plays shuffle while the other band members play straight!? That's something you'd expect from a school cabaret. Maybe that he doesn't allow them to change after how he plays? I don't know. I know that I would get really frustrated playing with a drummer that did those kind of things though. Just my opinion though, I'm sure many of you guys enjoy the heck of it and you think the same of QUO and I enjoy their live show so, we can meet in the middle I guess!? Edit: I found the clip: This one makes me cringe. Counts in way too quick and gradually goes back to a snails pace
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 21:04:46 GMT
Old age.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 26, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
Well, I can honestly not understand how someone would pay money to see JCQ, all the songs is too slow, John cannot hold a steady beat anymore, the tempo goes up and down - well, mostly down from the start of the song. He jumps from Straight to shuffle, from fast to slow in the middle of the same songs. And the musicians in his band isn't that professional either imho judging from YouTube clips. I've seen plenty of JCQ clips where they play songs like Paper Plane etc when he all of a sudden drops the tempo while carrying on playing a shuffle - and to my surprise the musicians in the band continue playing the song straight. Like, wtf? There you have it, you've paid good money for a band where the drummer plays shuffle while the other band members play straight!? That's something you'd expect from a school cabaret. Maybe that he doesn't allow them to change after how he plays? I don't know. I know that I would get really frustrated playing with a drummer that did those kind of things though. Just my opinion though, I'm sure many of you guys enjoy the heck of it and you think the same of QUO and I enjoy their live show so, we can meet in the middle I guess!? Edit: I found the clip: This one makes me cringe. Counts in way too quick and gradually goes back to a snails pace That's the problem with all of the songs. Remember when people legit said that he would be a great successor to Letley!? And @bluehighway of course the problems is due to old age, Coghlan in his prime were an amazing rock drummer. My point was JCQ and today. I haven't seen Quo with Richie in person either but judging from the YouTube clips other than Hyde Park they've turned the tempo down a lot too, but at least they're tight like a glove
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 21:35:38 GMT
twentytwenty As long is John is happy playing why should he stop when old fans want to see him. He's 74 and old age comes hardest to drummers. I'm 67 and two of the guys I play with most are 70 and 71. I never imagined when I first started playing that I'd still be doing it 45 years later but the thrill of walking on stage and hearing an audience roar and sing your songs back at you is still the same. You should go and see Quo next year if we're all back touring again, they're a great live band now Leon and Richie have really bedded in. Of course you have to go not expecting to suddenly timewarp back to 1976 like some people on the board want to.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 26, 2020 21:43:39 GMT
twentytwenty As long is John is happy playing why should he stop when old fans want to see him. He's 74 and old age comes hardest to drummers. I'm 67 and two of the guys I play with most are 70 and 71. I never imagined when I first started playing that I'd still be doing it 45 years later but the thrill of walking on stage and hearing an audience roar and sing your songs back at you is still the same. You should go and see Quo next year if we're all back touring again, they're a great live band now Leon and Richie have really bedded in. Of course you have to go not expecting to suddenly timewarp back to 1976 like some people on the board want to. Yeah of course, I only wish the best for him as he seems like an awesome dude as well. Yeah, Leon has been doing a great job, I haven't been able to see them with Richie as I said, but I saw them with Freddie though and they sounded great Do you have any clips on Youtube of your band?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 21:49:28 GMT
twentytwenty As long is John is happy playing why should he stop when old fans want to see him. He's 74 and old age comes hardest to drummers. I'm 67 and two of the guys I play with most are 70 and 71. I never imagined when I first started playing that I'd still be doing it 45 years later but the thrill of walking on stage and hearing an audience roar and sing your songs back at you is still the same. You should go and see Quo next year if we're all back touring again, they're a great live band now Leon and Richie have really bedded in. Of course you have to go not expecting to suddenly timewarp back to 1976 like some people on the board want to. Yeah of course, I only wish the best for him as he seems like an awesome dude as well. Yeah, Leon has been doing a great job, I haven't been able to see them with Richie as I said, but I saw them with Freddie though and they sounded great Do you have any clips on Youtube of your band? A socially distanced gig in Berlin back in October. I hope you speak German!
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 26, 2020 21:59:54 GMT
Yeah of course, I only wish the best for him as he seems like an awesome dude as well. Yeah, Leon has been doing a great job, I haven't been able to see them with Richie as I said, but I saw them with Freddie though and they sounded great Do you have any clips on Youtube of your band? A socially distanced gig in Berlin back in October. I hope you speak German! Did I understand it right that you're the drummer? Sounds amazing nevertheless, but you already knew that hah
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 22:10:23 GMT
A socially distanced gig in Berlin back in October. I hope you speak German! Did I understand it right that you're the drummer? Sounds amazing nevertheless, but you already knew that hah No I play Hammond and keys and thanks.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 26, 2020 22:16:48 GMT
Did I understand it right that you're the drummer? Sounds amazing nevertheless, but you already knew that hah No I play Hammond and keys and thanks. It's a shame it wasn't in English though as it would have made it straight to on of my playlists on Apple Music!
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Post by dennis on Nov 27, 2020 17:27:18 GMT
Live music is all about the moment, imo. If it sounds great at the time & you're enjoying it, what else matters?
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, a tribute band of younger musicians are likely to get much nearer to the high energy performances of '70s Quo than either Francis or John would with their respective bands. In your 70s Quo is a far cry from 1970s Quo!
There's no reason why anybody shouldn't enjoy seeing Status Quo, JC's Quo or any of the many tributes around, or any combination thereof. As always, it's a subjective choice & there is no right or wrong.
But I would like to time warp back to 1976 - or at least time warp back to my 1976 self!
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Post by americanquo on Nov 28, 2020 2:00:42 GMT
Live music is all about the moment, imo. If it sounds great at the time & you're enjoying it, what else matters? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, a tribute band of younger musicians are likely to get much nearer to the high energy performances of '70s Quo than either Francis or John would with their respective bands. In your 70s Quo is a far cry from 1970s Quo! There's no reason why anybody shouldn't enjoy seeing Status Quo, JC's Quo or any of the many tributes around, or any combination thereof. As always, it's a subjective choice & there is no right or wrong. But I would like to time warp back to 1976 - or at least time warp back to my 1976 self! Absolutely. I'd love to see them just once before I die.
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 29, 2020 10:49:54 GMT
The thing about tempos reminds me of why I criticized the decision to cover "Down Down" in every gig of the FF reunion. Heck, it wasn't even on the original live album that the setlist was modeled after. And John simply couldn't do it at the original speed anymore.
His drum sound was great - still is. I wonder why Francis couldn't simply sit Matt or Leon at the same brands of drums. I know it's not the only factor but people would probably be more accepting of John's successors if they'd stuck with "his" sound, which is one that suits Quo music.
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Post by quolion on Nov 30, 2020 19:27:46 GMT
Did I understand it right that you're the drummer? Sounds amazing nevertheless, but you already knew that hah No I play Hammond and keys and thanks. Pascal on bass, Tony? 😳
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 19:50:53 GMT
No I play Hammond and keys and thanks. Pascal on bass, Tony? 😳 Yes, Ken still wasn't recovered from his serious accident. At least Pascal was well again and could play bass instead.
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