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Post by charles on Nov 13, 2020 12:41:00 GMT
... Though I remember Francis saying that he didn't really want a 'name' replacement at the time and Cozy was a household name in a way after his 'Dance With The Devil' hit single in particular and the Rainbow releases. Not entirely sure why Francis didn't want a household name drummer, perhaps a control thing? Pete just kept his head down and got on with the job. Can you imagine Francis bossing him around? |
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Post by freewilly on Nov 13, 2020 16:39:57 GMT
I think it was only ever going to be Pete that replaced him.
I believe Alan when he says neither he nor Rick thought it was permanent and that it would blow over. Francis just wanted someone who wouldn't step out of line and someone who would do as Francis told him. History has repeated itself since. Is what it is.
I love Pete, Jeff and Matt. Leon is a very good drummer but, never seen him live.
To me, JC just has it, whatever it is! Same with Alan, same with Rick, same with Francis. It's why I think(know) Francis and his whole "it's all nostalgia" crap he spouts about the FF tours is all a front. He knows what we know. He won't admit it because that means admitting he was wrong and proving others right. Francis doesn't like being wrong.
You can replace all four with better players and it'll more than likely be a lot better...But, it'll miss what made Quo what it was and what made us fall in love with them.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Nov 14, 2020 0:02:15 GMT
I think it was only ever going to be Pete that replaced him. I believe Alan when he says neither he nor Rick thought it was permanent and that it would blow over. Francis just wanted someone who wouldn't step out of line and someone who would do as Francis told him. History has repeated itself since. Is what it is. I love Pete, Jeff and Matt. Leon is a very good drummer but, never seen him live. To me, JC just has it, whatever it is! Same with Alan, same with Rick, same with Francis. It's why I think(know) Francis and his whole "it's all nostalgia" crap he spouts about the FF tours is all a front. He knows what we know. He won't admit it because that means admitting he was wrong and proving others right. Francis doesn't like being wrong. You can replace all four with better players and it'll more than likely be a lot better...But, it'll miss what made Quo what it was and what made us fall in love with them. That's the curious thing with Francis. He can trip himself up in the moment. When he and Rick appeared on Richard & Judy at the Albert Dock in the run up to the Nordorf Robbins concert at Knebworth, they were discussing the dynamics/characters in bands. Francis said something along the lines of that it is sometimes the friction and differences between band members that can make things interesting and be the fire in a band. Though he quickly countered that by saying that he would rather be in a band that was compatible. He may as well have said he prefers to be in a band that is compatible but possibly a bit dull! |
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Nov 14, 2020 0:13:42 GMT
... Though I remember Francis saying that he didn't really want a 'name' replacement at the time and Cozy was a household name in a way after his 'Dance With The Devil' hit single in particular and the Rainbow releases. Not entirely sure why Francis didn't want a household name drummer, perhaps a control thing? Pete just kept his head down and got on with the job. Can you imagine Francis bossing him around? If the music press were to be completely believed back at the time of JC's departure then Ginger Baker had been a serious contender for the Quo job. Where do they get these stories?! I knew a fair amount about him but also bought Baker's book 'Hellraiser' a few years ago. What a powder keg Baker and Jack Bruce could be in the Cream years and I don't just mean in musical terms! |
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Post by ant on Nov 14, 2020 11:50:12 GMT
Ginger Baker would have lasted about 10 minutes. The bloke was an arse too full of himself and rated himself too highly. I saw him with Hawkwind and he was bloody useless! Cozy Powel was too heavy handed for Quo. Great drummer but was utterly wrong for Whitesnake, for example. Perfect for Rainbow. Thankfully Zeppelin called it a day rather than employ him to replace Bonzo. Difficult to know who would have worked for Quo. I didn't particularly like Pete but it was a time when drums in general sounded terrible so he wasn't helped there. Easier to say who wouldn't be right  |
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Post by freewilly on Nov 14, 2020 12:09:16 GMT
Francis wanted rid of Alan, Ginger Baker was Alan on steroids. No way would that have ever happened  |
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Post by stringybob on Nov 14, 2020 17:33:20 GMT
Francis once said in an interview that he thought Ginger Baker was a terrible drummer so he's hardly likely to have been under consideration.
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 19, 2020 21:43:26 GMT
In at least one alternate universe the car crash won't have happened, so Quo '82-'85 as Rossi/Parditt/Lancaster/Powell, 1986 and beyond as Rossi/Parfitt/Lea/Powell Run Run Runaway, Wheels Ain't Coming Down, Lock Up Yer Daughters (Rick on lead vocal for that one!). Loss of taste and smell - hmmm, seems like something familiar about that one! The other Powell...also known as Colin may have been in the running for the Quo job. I heard that some in Quo circles felt he was a good match. He knew the band well and had worked with Francis, Rick and Bob Young through Graham Bonnet and Young & Moody. Though I remember Francis saying that he didn't really want a 'name' replacement at the time and Cozy was a household name in a way after his 'Dance With The Devil' hit single in particular and the Rainbow releases. Not entirely sure why Francis didn't want a household name drummer, perhaps a control thing? Pete just kept his head down and got on with the job. Cozy would've been the wrong man for Quo. He was a star in his own right and would've drawn a different crowd, probably the band would've been expected to play some of his solo hits too. And he pulled out of Gary Moore's After the War tour a few days before it was set to go ahead because he didn't like Gary placing certain demands on him - "you don't tell me how to play" was something he said, and Chris Slade had to step in at the last minute, learn all the songs... |
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 19, 2020 21:48:56 GMT
Ginger Baker would have lasted about 10 minutes. The bloke was an arse too full of himself and rated himself too highly. I saw him with Hawkwind and he was bloody useless! Francis once said in an interview that he thought Ginger Baker was a terrible drummer so he's hardly likely to have been under consideration. I think Ginger was a genius. But, ultimately, a very difficult character to deal with. And he didn't think much of rock music in general - JC came from jazz too but had a different approach. In Cream, Ginger liked to try and throw Jack out of the song, and vice-versa. The one who usually lost it was Eric. That's how that legendary solo in Crossroads came about - Eric's playing ahead of the beat for several measures because the rhythm section was so "free". |
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Post by per on Nov 20, 2020 11:36:54 GMT
I haven’t read all the posts in this topic, so the name might already have been mentioned, but I think Phil Rudd would have been a far better choice than Cozy or Ginger. The only problem is that AC/DC had become huge by this time, so Phil Rudd would probably not have been interested if he had got the offer.
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Post by freewilly on Nov 20, 2020 12:57:32 GMT
I haven’t read all the posts in this topic, so the name might already have been mentioned, but I think Phil Rudd would have been a far better choice than Cozy or Ginger. The only problem is that AC/DC had become huge by this time, so Phil Rudd would probably not have been interested if he had got the offer. He was out of the band in 1983. In the aftermath of Bon's death, he developed a serious issue with alcohol and drugs. He showed up a few times a couple of hours late for gigs and wasn't able to finish the encore at a gig or two. And there were a few times Malcolm punched him during bust ups. If Francis couldn't handle JC being upset at times, I can't see him handling that |
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Post by per on Nov 21, 2020 15:58:54 GMT
I haven’t read all the posts in this topic, so the name might already have been mentioned, but I think Phil Rudd would have been a far better choice than Cozy or Ginger. The only problem is that AC/DC had become huge by this time, so Phil Rudd would probably not have been interested if he had got the offer. He was out of the band in 1983. In the aftermath of Bon's death, he developed a serious issue with alcohol and drugs. He showed up a few times a couple of hours late for gigs and wasn't able to finish the encore at a gig or two. And there were a few times Malcolm punched him during bust ups. If Francis couldn't handle JC being upset at times, I can't see him handling that Aha, didn’t know he was in such a bad shape. Yes I agree with you, that would not have worked (though he was a great drummer, heavy and solid as a rock) back in the days (and quite good nowadays too!) |
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Post by vivfromcov on Nov 22, 2020 16:07:12 GMT
I think it was only ever going to be Pete that replaced him. I believe Alan when he says neither he nor Rick thought it was permanent and that it would blow over. Francis just wanted someone who wouldn't step out of line and someone who would do as Francis told him. History has repeated itself since. Is what it is. I love Pete, Jeff and Matt. Leon is a very good drummer but, never seen him live. To me, JC just has it, whatever it is! Same with Alan, same with Rick, same with Francis. It's why I think(know) Francis and his whole "it's all nostalgia" crap he spouts about the FF tours is all a front. He knows what we know. He won't admit it because that means admitting he was wrong and proving others right. Francis doesn't like being wrong. You can replace all four with better players and it'll more than likely be a lot better...But, it'll miss what made Quo what it was and what made us fall in love with them. That's the curious thing with Francis. He can trip himself up in the moment. When he and Rick appeared on Richard & Judy at the Albert Dock in the run up to the Nordorf Robbins concert at Knebworth, they were discussing the dynamics/characters in bands. Francis said something along the lines of that it is sometimes the friction and differences between band members that can make things interesting and be the fire in a band. Though he quickly countered that by saying that he would rather be in a band that was compatible. He may as well have said he prefers to be in a band that is compatible but possibly a bit dull! Says it all really  |
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Post by unspokenwords on Nov 23, 2020 13:39:55 GMT
Genuinely the band should have called it a day when John left. He was irreplaceable and vital to the sound, dynamics and energy of the band (and heart and soul).
If anyone has ever come close to his playing it is the superb young drummer in 'Big Fat Mama' (and indeed they are as a band far far better at 'Quo' than Rossi's current band)
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Post by americanquo on Nov 23, 2020 16:44:42 GMT
Genuinely the band should have called it a day when John left. He was irreplaceable and vital to the sound, dynamics and energy of the band (and heart and soul). If anyone has ever come close to his playing it is the superb young drummer in 'Big Fat Mama' (and indeed they are as a band far far better at 'Quo' than Rossi's current band) May I suggest you view them as I do? To me, Status Quo ended when JC left. They never again sounded like Quo, and never again produced anything as good as Status Quo's worst album, whichever one you think that is. (I don't count the psychedelic stuff) Quo 2 never sounded right because AL was still trying to be Status Quo, but with only half a rhythm section. Nevertheless, both Quo 2 albums are overall better than anything that came after.
Then came, using Rick's own term for them, Quo Lite. They were half a band, with a mediocre bass player and various good drummers who didn't fit. That's why some of their songs are great, many suck, and their renditions of Status Quo songs are generally worse than a good cover band. Rick's playing covered up for a lot.
Now that he's gone we have Post-Quo Lite, which is Francis Rossi and the Four Employees. They are no closer to the original Status Quo than JC's Quo, and do a worse job of recreating the songs and creating new material. "Lockdown" is head and shoulders better than anything on 'Backbone."
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