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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 11, 2020 1:34:08 GMT
Always thought Pete's drumming somehow made Quo sound boring, almost to the extent of it sounding like how people used to mock the Quo sound... dun da dun da dun da dun...... Jeff not being a perfect fit's exactly what they needed after the early 80s tours which again to me always sounded a bit slow and no real excitement. Jeff completely re-energised the band live. Totally agree
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 11, 2020 1:48:50 GMT
Always thought Pete's drumming somehow made Quo sound boring, almost to the extent of it sounding like how people used to mock the Quo sound... dun da dun da dun da dun...... Jeff not being a perfect fit's exactly what they needed after the early 80s tours which again to me always sounded a bit slow and no real excitement. Jeff completely re-energised the band live. Exactly what I think. Pete may be a good drummer, but the Quo sound at the time was not very good. Lacked energy and was boring, precisely. Also I find the live recordings from the time so dull. The drumming is just kick-snare-kick-snare. The drums were just there in the background, not part of the song. Even the other instruments, were too on their own space, I feel. I don't feel much empathy between the drums and the rest, basically. I can perfectly imagine that cabaret dancing to the live songs from the time. To me, it sounds like the song is there, slow, sluggish, for people to listen to it while they are doing other stuff. The song, the performance, is not the main event. It lacks depth. Jeff brought energy to the band. Live recordings post 1987 (because I saw some from 1986 that were still not on point for me) are powerful and exciting. I know some people will disagree, but that's it for me.
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 11, 2020 10:14:24 GMT
Always thought Pete's drumming somehow made Quo sound boring, almost to the extent of it sounding like how people used to mock the Quo sound... dun da dun da dun da dun...... Jeff not being a perfect fit's exactly what they needed after the early 80s tours which again to me always sounded a bit slow and no real excitement. Jeff completely re-energised the band live. Exactly what I think. Pete may be a good drummer, but the Quo sound at the time was not very good. Lacked energy and was boring, precisely. Also I find the live recordings from the time so dull. The drumming is just kick-snare-kick-snare. The drums were just there in the background, not part of the song. Even the other instruments, were too on their own space, I feel. I don't feel much empathy between the drums and the rest, basically. I can perfectly imagine that cabaret dancing to the live songs from the time. To me, it sounds like the song is there, slow, sluggish, for people to listen to it while they are doing other stuff. The song, the performance, is not the main event. It lacks depth. Jeff brought energy to the band. Live recordings post 1987 (because I saw some from 1986 that were still not on point for me) are powerful and exciting. I know some people will disagree, but that's it for me. I'm only really familiar with the NEC 1982 recording but on that one, Pete and Alan are really not playing as one. Of course it was the first tour with Pete and if they had stayed together longer, they might have made a better rhythm section. But Rhino and Jeff being a team makes a lot of difference IMO, even if their combined sound changed the band as a whole quite a bit.
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Post by gav on Nov 11, 2020 11:33:00 GMT
Pete sometimes put fills in places where it sounded like they belonged somewhere else, almost like he'd got muddled up. I can only judge the NEC and EOTR recordings, but there's quite a few in 4500 Times at least. I dare say he had a lot to think about there! I do like his drumming though, i just don't think he was being 100% natural, more playing to a script, which i suppose is exactly what he WAS doing.
The drum sound was quite different from Coghlan's. More of a pronounced snare sound, or something. I wonder if that's the way he wanted it, or that was the way the band wanted it. A mix of being a different type of snare to JC's and set up differently, and also being mic'd up differently? More 80's to my ears, not just on record.
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Post by markquo on Nov 11, 2020 19:34:12 GMT
I’ve said many times Pete was unfortunate to join the band at the time with all the internal power struggles and substance use out of control. This meant that the records he played on weren’t the best in terms of material and recording.Live different story by EOTR he was coming into his own. But you only have to listen to I Should Have Known or She Don’t Fool Me to hear his quality laying it down solid and no frills. Perfect replacement for Spud and compared to the speeded up version of Jeff Richs Quo he nailed it Cheers
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Post by paradiseflats on Nov 11, 2020 20:27:56 GMT
I think he would have been a relative unknown.
Maybe Rob Burrows.
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Post by daverj40 on Nov 12, 2020 8:10:27 GMT
Remember seeing Terry Williams in a small club in Cardiff in the mid eighties.He was guesting with a local band called Red Hot Pokers.They started with him doing the intro to Money for Nothing then the whole band came in with There ain't nobody here but us chickens,brilliant! They went down a storm. A good fit for quo well, we'll never know.
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Post by mortified on Nov 12, 2020 9:21:03 GMT
I think Francis and Rick knew Pete from his days with Shanghai and when they supported Quo on the Blue For You tour. That probably gave him a head start. I think it's how Alan and Mick Green got together to write a couple of songs as well. I'm no drummer so it's difficult for me to comment with any authority but Pete seemed unlucky to a certain extent because of the way 80's drumming panned out. It was very prominent on loads of chart stuff and even more so on that new fangled thing, the extended 12" version Quo went down that road on tracks like A Mess Of Blues and Ol' Rag Blues. It was a fashion, just like anything else. It was also largely designed to get people on the dance floor to shake their rah-rah skirts and terry-towling dress jackets (sleeves rolled up of course ). It didn't suit Quo at all but, as always, they just had to dabble dennis makes a good point about Slade's resurrection. They rode the NWOBHM for a year or two and were still riding it when Spud left. Otherwise, who knows?
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Post by ant on Nov 12, 2020 9:46:03 GMT
If considering what if scenarios, what if Ozzy had played Reading '80 & therefore Slade's career resurrecting performance hadn't occurred & they'd broken up instead. Firstly, Noddy may have taken the job with AC/DC after all. Would Quo have considered Don Powell as replacement for JC? If they had, would we possibly have seen Jimmy Lea subsequently lined up to replace AL? I think I recall reading that the latter idea was a consideration at the time anyway. Jim Lea would have been fantastic on bass but Don Powell had issues with short-term memory as a result of his car crash. He couldn't remember Slade songs so learning and remembering Quo songs would have been difficult for him. Jim Lea would have been intriguing, tho' And Noddy in AC/DC would have been really interesting. I've never really thought about the alternative reality should Ozzy have turned up before - great shout. Are you Steven Hawkings in disguise? <I would have missed one of the greatest gigs I ever went to, tho' - Slade at Newcastle Mayfair in 1980 (possibly '81)>
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Post by curiousgirl on Nov 12, 2020 13:59:03 GMT
On reflection, I think the lack of confidence Francis and possibly Rick have/had in themselves, which they masked with bravado and desire for success, possibly accounts for their choices in replacements for band members.
I enjoyed Pete's contribution to the band. Never followed the Jeff Rich era, and keep an eye on the current line-up. But following JCQ and the reunion tours helped me understand why John was my favourite fit for Quo.
I came to this conclusion after watching a documentary with Freddie Mercury and the opera singer Montserrat Caballe and being impressed with his confidence in moving between musical genres.
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Post by dennis on Nov 12, 2020 14:17:45 GMT
If considering what if scenarios, what if Ozzy had played Reading '80 & therefore Slade's career resurrecting performance hadn't occurred & they'd broken up instead. Firstly, Noddy may have taken the job with AC/DC after all. Would Quo have considered Don Powell as replacement for JC? If they had, would we possibly have seen Jimmy Lea subsequently lined up to replace AL? I think I recall reading that the latter idea was a consideration at the time anyway. Jim Lea would have been fantastic on bass but Don Powell had issues with short-term memory as a result of his car crash. He couldn't remember Slade songs so learning and remembering Quo songs would have been difficult for him. Jim Lea would have been intriguing, tho' And Noddy in AC/DC would have been really interesting. I've never really thought about the alternative reality should Ozzy have turned up before - great shout. Are you Steven Hawkings in disguise? <I would have missed one of the greatest gigs I ever went to, tho' - Slade at Newcastle Mayfair in 1980 (possibly '81)> Aye, I did consider Don's memory issues but then he's also teamed up with Andy Scott & Suzi Quatro in QSP in recent times & that seemed to work out fine, so I'm sure he would have coped. Although he may have forgotten the songs he didn't seem to forget how to drum. Didn't he lose his sense of taste &/or smell as well due to the crash?
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Post by ant on Nov 12, 2020 15:01:15 GMT
Jim Lea would have been fantastic on bass but Don Powell had issues with short-term memory as a result of his car crash. He couldn't remember Slade songs so learning and remembering Quo songs would have been difficult for him. Jim Lea would have been intriguing, tho' And Noddy in AC/DC would have been really interesting. I've never really thought about the alternative reality should Ozzy have turned up before - great shout. Are you Steven Hawkings in disguise? <I would have missed one of the greatest gigs I ever went to, tho' - Slade at Newcastle Mayfair in 1980 (possibly '81)> Aye, I did consider Don's memory issues but then he's also teamed up with Andy Scott & Suzi Quatro in QSP in recent times & that seemed to work out fine, so I'm sure he would have coped. Although he may have forgotten the songs he didn't seem to forget how to drum. Didn't he lose his sense of taste &/or smell as well due to the crash? In at least one alternate universe the car crash won't have happened, so Quo '82-'85 as Rossi/Parditt/Lancaster/Powell, 1986 and beyond as Rossi/Parfitt/Lea/Powell Run Run Runaway, Wheels Ain't Coming Down, Lock Up Yer Daughters (Rick on lead vocal for that one!). Loss of taste and smell - hmmm, seems like something familiar about that one!
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Nov 12, 2020 16:05:04 GMT
Aye, I did consider Don's memory issues but then he's also teamed up with Andy Scott & Suzi Quatro in QSP in recent times & that seemed to work out fine, so I'm sure he would have coped. Although he may have forgotten the songs he didn't seem to forget how to drum. Didn't he lose his sense of taste &/or smell as well due to the crash? In at least one alternate universe the car crash won't have happened, so Quo '82-'85 as Rossi/Parditt/Lancaster/Powell, 1986 and beyond as Rossi/Parfitt/Lea/Powell Run Run Runaway, Wheels Ain't Coming Down, Lock Up Yer Daughters (Rick on lead vocal for that one!). Loss of taste and smell - hmmm, seems like something familiar about that one! The other Powell...also known as Colin may have been in the running for the Quo job. I heard that some in Quo circles felt he was a good match. He knew the band well and had worked with Francis, Rick and Bob Young through Graham Bonnet and Young & Moody. Though I remember Francis saying that he didn't really want a 'name' replacement at the time and Cozy was a household name in a way after his 'Dance With The Devil' hit single in particular and the Rainbow releases. Not entirely sure why Francis didn't want a household name drummer, perhaps a control thing? Pete just kept his head down and got on with the job.
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Post by dennis on Nov 12, 2020 18:00:45 GMT
In at least one alternate universe the car crash won't have happened, so Quo '82-'85 as Rossi/Parditt/Lancaster/Powell, 1986 and beyond as Rossi/Parfitt/Lea/Powell Run Run Runaway, Wheels Ain't Coming Down, Lock Up Yer Daughters (Rick on lead vocal for that one!). Loss of taste and smell - hmmm, seems like something familiar about that one! The other Powell...also known as Colin may have been in the running for the Quo job. I heard that some in Quo circles felt he was a good match. He knew the band well and had worked with Francis, Rick and Bob Young through Graham Bonnet and Young & Moody. Though I remember Francis saying that he didn't really want a 'name' replacement at the time and Cozy was a household name in a way after his 'Dance With The Devil' hit single in particular and the Rainbow releases. Not entirely sure why Francis didn't want a household name drummer, perhaps a control thing? Pete just kept his head down and got on with the job. & a link between the 2 Powells is Suzi Quatro who was in the aforementioned QSP with Don & Andy Scott and who also played bass on Cozy's Dance With The Devil that you mentioned, ain't it a small world?!
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Post by dennis on Nov 12, 2020 19:45:02 GMT
Aye, I did consider Don's memory issues but then he's also teamed up with Andy Scott & Suzi Quatro in QSP in recent times & that seemed to work out fine, so I'm sure he would have coped. Although he may have forgotten the songs he didn't seem to forget how to drum. Didn't he lose his sense of taste &/or smell as well due to the crash? In at least one alternate universe the car crash won't have happened, so Quo '82-'85 as Rossi/Parditt/Lancaster/Powell, 1986 and beyond as Rossi/Parfitt/Lea/Powell Run Run Runaway, Wheels Ain't Coming Down, Lock Up Yer Daughters (Rick on lead vocal for that one!). Loss of taste and smell - hmmm, seems like something familiar about that one! Wheels Ain't Coming Down was from the largely ignored Return To Base from '79 &, of course, we don't know how much of the songs come from Jim & how much from Noddy. Nice idea though.
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