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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 25, 2019 10:37:21 GMT
How Alan found out he had been dispensed with was awful but sadly par for the course in the industry, consciences and finer feelings didn't matter when money and record contracts were at stake. As for things being able to be somehow smoothed over between Alan and Francis then no, their personal views of where the band should go were at completely opposite ends of the spectrum with hardly any points of agreement. Alan's disenchantment with Francis and with the band had been increasing since the late 70s and really went up a gear in the early 80s. And I'm not speaking the "official line" I'm speaking about people I knew and socialised with regularly back then, Rick especially when he was so often part of the Munich Music Mafia at weekends. Fair enough if you were able to hear bits and pieces of stories from people but were the courts aware of the details of the treatment of Alan or was it simply "par for the course" for them to ignore it for the sake of money? I suppose we shouldn't question the integrity of the courts... Funny how evidence that contradicted what we had been told for years suddenly vanished. Could it have been because it was indeed bad for business?
The court in London was indeed aware of the circumstances of Alan's being dropped by the band as it was presented to them in detail by Alan's legal representative in his presence. It was, I gather, not a pretty tale, and pretty much what we think he know - Francis did not want to work with Alan any more, the record company were only interested in a band with Francis in it, and that band kind of "re-happened" while Alan wasn't looking. There was also an implication that some of Alan's communications hadn't got through when they should have done ... you cannot help feeling that there was some manipulation going on.
But the problems between Francis and Alan went way back, more than I realised at the time but it had already been touched on by John Shearlaw (who probably thought it was a joke. Or knew better but obviously wasn't go to say so.)
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 25, 2019 10:42:18 GMT
Was this posted just to stir the pot even more? Had Alan not been ousted by Francis, Rick, the management and record company pressure the band would have imploded before the end of the 80s, as Alan had barely been on civil terms with Francis since around 78 and it had got worse and worse as the years passed with zero chance of rapprochement. That's the much-peddled "official" line. It wasn't the situation at the time. Any issues band members had with one another could have been resolved. That was evident from the numerous letters and faxes that surfaced a while back, all of which then strangely disappeared... It's worth remembering that Alan found out by chance that a band calling themselves Status Quo were in a studio making an album because certain people had decided to keep it from him.
Yes indeed - that included all the band members involved, sadly.
Do you mind if I ask where people not party to the conversation heard about "numerous letters and faxes that surfaced a while back", were able to hear about them? I mean, who revealed them and when? I am not doubting this at all, just by chance I heard more about this whole thing back in the 80s than I would normally expect to, not being an industry insider, so I remain curious about the whole mess.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 25, 2019 10:45:42 GMT
That's the much-peddled "official" line. It wasn't the situation at the time. Any issues band members had with one another could have been resolved. That was evident from the numerous letters and faxes that surfaced a while back, all of which then strangely disappeared... It's worth remembering that Alan found out by chance that a band calling themselves Status Quo were in a studio making an album because certain people had decided to keep it from him.
Yes indeed - that included all the band members involved, sadly.
Do you mind if I ask where people not party to the conversation heard about "numerous letters and faxes that surfaced a while back", were able to hear about them? I mean, who revealed them and when? I am not doubting this at all, just by chance I heard more about this whole thing back in the 80s than I would normally expect to, not being an industry insider, so I remain curious about the whole mess.
The "letters and faxes" are the new information revealed in the film Hello Quo. I remember when I went to the premiere way back in 2012, in the Q&A afterwards, this was cited as the new info they wanted to put on the record. I can't remember if its in the shorter TV version but its a brief moment in the full film. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 25, 2019 18:22:07 GMT
Thank you that will give me an excuse to run the film again! But if they were revealed in the movie, how do they get lost again afterwards??
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Aug 26, 2019 0:53:34 GMT
Still seems ridiculous to me that, with the reunions, Alan could shack up in Rossi's Manor for a few weeks, eat together, exercise together, socialise with kith and kin, then play some fabulous gigs together (where I think I'm safe in saying that any balls-ups were not that important to the fans who were there) and it was about seeing them ALL together again and not just about seeing Alan and JC again as Rossi has suggested, only for it to all go sour between them once again.
Perhaps Francis, in the long past, felt intimated by Alan to some extent and still some baggage hanging around from those times, but after the reunions perhaps Rossi was making it clear that Quo was his ball and he's going home?!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 26, 2019 13:34:41 GMT
Yes indeed - that included all the band members involved, sadly.
Do you mind if I ask where people not party to the conversation heard about "numerous letters and faxes that surfaced a while back", were able to hear about them? I mean, who revealed them and when? I am not doubting this at all, just by chance I heard more about this whole thing back in the 80s than I would normally expect to, not being an industry insider, so I remain curious about the whole mess.
The "letters and faxes" are the new information revealed in the film Hello Quo. I remember when I went to the premiere way back in 2012, in the Q&A afterwards, this was cited as the new info they wanted to put on the record. I can't remember if its in the shorter TV version but its a brief moment in the full film. Well, it was a good excuse to run the film again (worth doing) ... but I couldn't detect a squeak about new information or letters and faxes. I've got the extended version ... the one that came out with the blue patches on the Shepperton stuff. It was quite pretty :-)
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 26, 2019 14:55:36 GMT
The "letters and faxes" are the new information revealed in the film Hello Quo. I remember when I went to the premiere way back in 2012, in the Q&A afterwards, this was cited as the new info they wanted to put on the record. I can't remember if its in the shorter TV version but its a brief moment in the full film. Well, it was a good excuse to run the film again (worth doing) ... but I couldn't detect a squeak about new information or letters and faxes. I've got the extended version ... the one that came out with the blue patches on the Shepperton stuff. It was quite pretty :-)
Oh dear... I could have sworn that's where I learned this... Glad you enjoyed the film. Then I'm at a loss where I heard this. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 26, 2019 18:46:10 GMT
I wonder if @facethemusic knows?
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Post by quolion on Aug 27, 2019 19:32:48 GMT
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 27, 2019 19:41:30 GMT
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 27, 2019 19:57:41 GMT
Mrs Flittersnoop as he's been banned / deleted he won't be able to reply, at least not here...
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Post by charles on Aug 28, 2019 4:10:05 GMT
FFS! there were interesting questions and answers, but I couldn't make it past 5 minutes because of Francis's behaviour. He can be such a tiresome old ****. |
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New Rocker Rollin'
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Favourite Quo Album: Just supposin'
Favourite other bands.: Rush, Foo Fighters, Muse, Dream Theater, Primus, Pink Floyd
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Post by dundiffrunt on Aug 28, 2019 7:22:43 GMT
Judging from the snippets I heard until now and the few singles that are out I like the songwriting. At least more than I like the songwriting when Rossi does a solo effort. The promotion hints that they really want the album to be a success, which is cool.
What I do not like is the production. Far too dry, too clean and wtf they did to the drums? They sound as lifeless and boring as a drummachine. No ambience at all. Leon is a fantastic drummer, so let him shine ffs! This really annoys me.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 29, 2019 18:15:05 GMT
Right thanks I thought this had been discussed before, and I commented then - one of the last comments being, how come someone who isn't Alan, Rick or Francis, was apparently reading business correspondence between them from that troubled period?? And talking about it on Facebook? The letter sacking Alan was mentioned in Hello Quo (that was new to me at the time, but I guess it was inevitable ... ), but that is just an end result, not the reason why ... Anyway if someone had those letters and faxes and those letters and faxes then disappeared, I would not be at all surprised, I would be thinking someone might have said "cease and desist", or something like that  But I never saw anything about the contents, apart from Alan being sacked by letter, which he confirmed in Hello Quo ...
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 29, 2019 18:17:35 GMT
Mrs Flittersnoop as he's been banned / deleted he won't be able to reply, at least not here... Looks like I missed the excitement  |
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But I never saw anything about the contents, apart from Alan being sacked by letter, which he confirmed in Hello Quo ... 