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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 7, 2017 21:13:21 GMT
Why was I so sad when I read the interview ? I've been trying to understand....after all, I've been saying I'm done with CQ...so nothing should bother me....
Having thought about it......he was the rabble rouser. The defender of the fans. The leader. *our* leader. And wow, what a bond there was. Fanaticism and dedication beyond anyone's dreams
He was *really* into the music onstage
He was the man who said "there's more of you than there is of them". He was the man that worked the crowd into a frenzy , but never forgot the people on the balcony. He was the man who got a nice bounce in the middle with some banging on the sides...
He was the man
He wasn't praised like "rock gods", and the lack of wider respect for him just made us even louder in our support.
He was as unique as he was awesome. We loved him
But now? Many of us here can pretend were done , but were not
Does Francis ever do sorry? He's got some bridges to build. There's clearly no chance of that anytime soon. But I do hope he has a change of heart in the future and tries to make some amends.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 17:45:52 GMT
Why was I so sad when I read the interview ? I've been trying to understand....after all, I've been saying I'm done with CQ...so nothing should bother me.... Having thought about it......he was the rabble rouser. The defender of the fans. The leader. *our* leader. And wow, what a bond there was. Fanaticism and dedication beyond anyone's dreams He was *really* into the music onstage He was the man who said "there's more of you than there is of them". He was the man that worked the crowd into a frenzy , but never forgot the people on the balcony. He was the man who got a nice bounce in the middle with some banging on the sides... He was the man He wasn't praised like "rock gods", and the lack of wider respect for him just made us even louder in our support. He was as unique as he was awesome. We loved him But now? Many of us here can pretend were done , but were not Does Francis ever do sorry? He's got some bridges to build. There's clearly no chance of that anytime soon. But I do hope he has a change of heart in the future and tries to make some amends. Many, myself included will fully agree with most all of this
But there will be others who will say you are living in the past and being far too negative about the band leader and what he likes and supports in the here and now - regardless of how he/the band were in the past. How dare you ask him to make amends, they will say. You are supposed to simply consider his point of view and if you don't like it, then shut up and go away. Others will state that comment and opinion is only valid and fair if you are prepared to be 'positive' about everything he says and does, and everything the band decides to do.
'We' are told by others we should 'be done' because we don't approve of what Francis says or does and/or because we don't like LNOTE etc.
We are told by others that the fact we find it hard to accept the things you mention is because we are all embittered FF only fans. Regardless of the fact that some of us at least have also followed and enjoyed CQ to varying degrees for years and years, albeit never to the heights of the original days. Notwithstanding that, it isn't a crime anyway, to stop your admiration at any time in the 50 yr career of the band. It doesn't make your time as a fan any less worthy than one who has stuck through thick and thin, Its not a competition for loyalty. Is it?
But others will believe loyalty comes before criticism and, perish the thought, worse still - dislike..
These others are ones who will preach that one sided opinion which disses any other opinion than their own is divisive, yet this sort of directional instruction and assertion from others is doing precisely that - carving people up into boxes (e.g FF only) and telling them what to think and not to 'be negative'. Do as I say, don't do how I act etc etc comes to mind.
Asking Francis to do 'sorry', as you have risked as a request , is playing with fire with those others who will say that he should do and say as he wishes and that the 'product' he and management 'sell' has a market appeal which doesn't include us and we should therefore 'get over it' and 'get over' Francis. Why should he ever have a change of heart they will say - its none of your business and you are not any concern anyway to him, the band and the management. So get over it is the message.
You strike a chord that resonates with very many, and for very good reasons based on the joy that was in abundance at one time (which naturally varies from one to another in timeline) in embracing SQ.
But please be careful, because others will say that your own previous joy and that of many others who relate to it is based on dead nostalgia and automatically prejudices the band in the here and now. Be aware that those others think that you and others like you have no place anymore for not accepting and agreeing with things that are said and done in the present. By Francis or whoever.
Be aware that you are deemed not to be a decent fair thinking fan and should be spending your spare time away from any SQMB devoted to other musical or spare time pastimes. Be afraid, very afraid
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Post by gav on Aug 8, 2017 18:41:47 GMT
One of the big problems is that the folk who moan about the moaners have no sense of irony!
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Post by aliquod on Aug 9, 2017 13:56:02 GMT
[...] But please be careful, because others will say that your own previous joy and that of many others who relate to it is based on dead nostalgia and automatically prejudices the band in the here and now. Be aware that those others think that you and others like you have no place anymore for not accepting and agreeing with things that are said and done in the present. By Francis or whoever. [...] You are describing to the point what is happening in Status Quo fan groups. What is new is that with Rick's death any (albeit faint) hope for another FF tour or a new FF album ultimately died. The alternatives left now are only either to accept Francis' Quo or nothing. So it is easy to ridicule any critical comment on Francis. He is aware about this situation and, depending on your view, he uses or abuses his power.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 16:27:05 GMT
[...] But please be careful, because others will say that your own previous joy and that of many others who relate to it is based on dead nostalgia and automatically prejudices the band in the here and now. Be aware that those others think that you and others like you have no place anymore for not accepting and agreeing with things that are said and done in the present. By Francis or whoever. [...] You are describing to the point what is happening in Status Quo fan groups. What is new is that with Rick's death any (albeit faint) hope for another FF tour or a new FF album ultimately died. The alternatives left now are only either to accept Francis' Quo or nothing. So it is easy to ridicule any critical comment on Francis. He is aware about this situation and, depending on your view, he uses or abuses his power. Criticising the Wacken gig is a latest casualty to the all or nothing view you mention. It would seem that if one finds anything wrong with the Wacken gig then nothing should be said at all rather than dare express criticism A familiar example of the 'you are negative and not a fan, so go away' passive aggression that is endemic amongst purist thought police
If anything is to be said then it should be only to credit the band for pleasing a Metal audience Got it wrong again then
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Post by 4th Chord on Aug 9, 2017 16:41:50 GMT
You are describing to the point what is happening in Status Quo fan groups. What is new is that with Rick's death any (albeit faint) hope for another FF tour or a new FF album ultimately died. The alternatives left now are only either to accept Francis' Quo or nothing. So it is easy to ridicule any critical comment on Francis. He is aware about this situation and, depending on your view, he uses or abuses his power. Criticising the Wacken gig is a latest casualty to the all or nothing view you mention. It would seem that if one finds anything wrong with the Wacken gig then nothing should be said at all rather than dare express criticism A familiar example of the 'you are negative and not a fan, so go away' passive aggression that is endemic amongst purist thought police
If anything is to be said then it should be only to credit the band for pleasing a Metal audience Got it wrong again then
Let me guess, our favourite Viking Henrik Lovén. He never changes, he was just as sanctimonious on the old boards. It is merely the opinion of 6 admins and 3 full time members, so I wouldn't worry. Passive aggressiveness is a speciality, and I do chuckle when they bleat on about how it's such a welcoming board where all opinions are allowed without fear of 'ridicule' and everyone is so 'respectful'. Well, I'll point you to the first post of the thread to which I think you're referring.
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