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Post by MrWaistcoat on May 4, 2017 22:17:34 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times Hi Cammy Wish you would post more. The board can only be strengthened (and more interesting ) by having a wider variety of views. I've never got the hostility to Rhino (who has openly admitted how awful his early totp appearances were) but I do think the hostility has got to him - and that it shows and has done for years. I think he is very sensitive to criticism and was probably behind the MB being closed. I also think that the hostility is from a small section of the fans - and I include the FF reunion fans in that. It's a shame he doesn't seem to see that. It's not rocket science - he feeds his detractors with unwise words and makes it worse. All imo of course !
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Post by Detroit on May 4, 2017 22:20:21 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing .
Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times They were allowed. They were part of it,
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Post by curiousgirl on May 4, 2017 22:21:07 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times But surely its fine for the people playing to criticise their own abilities, isn't it. And its different when someone who isn't part of that group criticises them. Not sure if that is double standards. But glad you're here to make us think (well some of us) and put things in perspective.
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Post by kiwipom on May 4, 2017 22:28:23 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times I freely admit that my Quo preferences are largely pre-82 albums and pre-85 live Many have never accepted Rhino in any form. I don’t have any sort of “anti-Rhino agenda”. I’ve always respected Rhino as a bass player and a contributor - but that’s what he is - a resource for the continuance of Quo as a working band for many years. But the fundamental thing he needs to understand is he is not part of the “soul” of the Quo feel/vibe/legend – Francis, Rick, Alan and John ( with support from Andy ) are. What I’m finding a little ungracious is the fact that he thinks he’s an equal to the other past “prime” members, thinks that he can pass loud-mouth ”bloke down the pub with a ready audience” judgement on them with impunity, and that he is the voice of all things Quo present for the common man. He’s a good player who’s made a career in Quo. He should be grateful but more importantly he should act with grace and a degree of deference – he doesn’t . He’s become sycophantic to Francis, increasingly publicly arrogant and extremely mouthy in the last 2 to 3 years – and THAT is what is turning people against him.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 22:58:10 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times If there is any anti-Rhino agenda, Rhino has brought it on upon himself. I know you think he's a top bloke because he hangs out with fans, etc, but that just doesn't cut it for me. His deliberately antagonistic comments in the last few years as well as his clowning around on stage have put me right off him.
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Post by clonesydney on May 4, 2017 23:23:52 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times Rhino's the one in the playground. Those were the best gigs I've been to for years and to call the band "appalling" and "really crap" is simply childish and deliberately offensive nonsense. For me he's hit a new low with this, but I wouldn't feel too sorry for him for the contempt and criticism deservedly coming his way as he clearly takes a perverse pleasure in inviting it.
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Post by freewilly on May 5, 2017 4:28:50 GMT
The double standards on here, as usual , are incredible. I don't recall any criticism when Rick and Spud criticised the Frantic Four's playing . Spud admits he upped his game for the second tour . And Rick alluded to the fact that on the day job everyone comes in when they are supposed to etc . And Rhino says that despite the playing not bring up to par, the thing was great. But that doesn't fit the anti Rhino agenda on here. Plus long before the reunion and Hello Quo he did say that the original band should work together again. So he was always encouraging of it. But a read through this thread reminds me why I don't come in here a lot any more. It's the politics of the playground at times The anti Rhino agenda ffs OK, let's flip this... Maybe it doesn't sit well with your "pro Rhino agenda" and how everything is wonderful? He came across as a tit in that interview. A bitter, deluded Tit. The difference is, some of us actually know it and call it for what it is. If you cannot see how he is talking utter shite then, whatever. It's not my problem and I can't respect that viewpoint. There are staunch CQ fans in this thread who have even said he's talking bollix As for double standards, well, that's also bollix. People like you read what they want to read... I've labelled CQ as some of the best gigs I've seen and that I still love the Army album, some of AC, I adore ISOTFC and still regularly listen to a lot of their stuff. I just think the FF shit all over them, that they are nowhere close to the glory and awesomeness of the FF and I call out Bollox like this Rhino interview because I'm not a gobshite and not hypocritical Alas though, all that perhaps doesn't fit in with your pro Rhino agenda
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Post by charles on May 5, 2017 5:16:06 GMT
Let's not have any ad hominem attacks on Rhino please. We may not agree with him but discuss the points made only please. Party pooper.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on May 5, 2017 6:46:46 GMT
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Post by freewilly on May 5, 2017 6:54:53 GMT
If the bass player, who replaced John Deacon, on the PR tour, started gobbing off in a bitter, self entitled and deluded way....
Would you defend it and say that he's entitled to it....Or, would you say, "he should know his place?"
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on May 5, 2017 7:02:34 GMT
If the bass player, who replaced John Deacon, on the PR tour, started gobbing off in a bitter, self entitled and deluded way....
Would you defend it and say that he's entitled to it....Or, would you say, "he should know his place?"
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't like it when Francis Slags off Alan and vice versa, however I don't let it bother me. Though I can understand why Rhino has now started to make more of a noise. He has had 30 years of people slagging him off and I would get tired of it after all this time.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:24:33 GMT
All I will say is if the FF reunion gigs were crap then what the hell do you call the current farce? To add to that the 2013 Wolves gig (2nd date) was the best gig I've ever been to and I've been to a few over the years. To see Alan and John for the first time was just magic. I had a smile on my face for a week after that and just ask granny it takes a hell of a lot to make me smile.
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Post by vivfromcov on May 5, 2017 7:25:21 GMT
I think we've been here before. Lots of knee jerk reactions to comments made in an interview. We don't know how the comments were made or if they were said with the intention to offend.
I personally think that it is not so black and white but more grey. I belive he had a close relationship with Rick and was extremely saddened by his loss. I don't know but I think his comments on the reunion were said with a huge grin on his face. Deliberately choosing his words in a Pythonesque way to show the contrast between the under rehearsed state of the musicianship and the awesomeness of the event ...."the best concert I have ever been to..."
I don't think he deliberately said crap and appalling to offend. Maybe I am being naive but I don't think it's fair to criticise so vehemently on comments taken out of context or misconstrued.
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Post by curiousgirl on May 5, 2017 7:32:40 GMT
Let's not have any ad hominem attacks on Rhino please. We may not agree with him but discuss the points made only please. Can I remind you all of this post please. Yes, I have deleted some of the direct personal attacks on him because they are unnecessary. Maybe Rhino's tone towards fans (or some fans) has changed because of the constant negativity he's received online over the years. We're not simply letting off steam on here, we do have some influence, so lets not make it so personal. Thank you.
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Post by freewilly on May 5, 2017 7:39:42 GMT
Let's not have any ad hominem attacks on Rhino please. We may not agree with him but discuss the points made only please. Can I remind you all of this post please. Yes, I have deleted some of the direct personal attacks on him because they are unnecessary. Maybe Rhino's tone towards fans (or some fans) has changed because of the constant negativity he's received online over the years. We're not simply letting off steam on here, we do have some influence, so lets not make it so personal. Thank you. All well and good, except one thing....
We have fuck all influence!
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