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Post by paradiseflats on May 24, 2017 13:41:43 GMT
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Post by freewilly on May 24, 2017 13:47:34 GMT
Nonsense, I don't have glasses
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Post by frozenhero on May 24, 2017 15:40:17 GMT
Yeah, I lost a ton of respect for you when you joined the other board with the sole intention of insulting and ridiculing people and thrusting your opinion into other fans' faces as if it was the ultimate truth, instead of acknowledging that we all have different opinions and they're all equally valid. A shame too because it could have led to great discussions. And it was made a lot worse by then coming on here and acting as if you'd been unfairly treated by the other MB's members, when in reality all you've been doing there was trolling and creating bad feelings. Your other comments are not the basis for any kind of discussion (because it's all destined for winding me up but I won't take your bait but do recognize the evil intention in your post - I'm not as stupid as you apparently think), except for the ending and yes, I agree that things could have been better with more rehearsing, but they have to be judged by the result and I do not enjoy the result. And one of the factors in that is neither Alan nor John, it's Francis! Also, if you had read my posts properly instead of putting things into my mouth (no idea what you're trying to say with that last sentence, it doesn't even make sense), you'd notice I have no issue with mistakes per se. But if the entire chemistry is off, that's a different thing entirely... I don't think you're stupid. I just think you're a bit of a tit tbh. I joined that forum purely for one reason and one reason only... To put the lot of you to shame. Yourself, Snakelady and the rest of them all seem to think Sir Francis of Rossi does no wrong and Alan was some sort of abusive drug addict, who became violent when he didn't get his fix.. Not your words but, what Snakelady implied. That forum is a bag of shite, with the only rules being that you must love everything Francis does, the rest is not important. I mean, look at the excuses some of you made for Francis not mentioning Rick on his first gig back ffs. It's pathetic. Great discussions? Seriously, what great discussions? You and the rattlesnake waffling on about how great Leon is and what an improvement he is on John, while I come out of nowhere and tell you your wrong?... Yeah, epic debate there. And evil? Stick on the TV and you'll see evil... Me telling you you're talking pony is not evil but, a valid opinion... Or so, I'm after reading Seriously FW, I have no logical idea where you get all these ideas from. I don't spend a whole lot more time on the other board (though admittedly more than this one because the negativity just drags me down personally) but what you're saying has very little to do with the actual truth. You're putting things into my mouth that I've never said, nor has really anybody whose posts I read. You even say a few seconds later "not your words" and yet you say "yourself, snakelady and the rest of them all seem to think". Contradictory much? And assuming that every single one person on that forum has the same opinion, where do you think all the lengthy and deep discussions, sometimes with drastic opinion differences come from? Open your eyes and try to shake off all those prejudices, man! "You and the rattlesnake waffling on about how great Leon is and what an improvement he is on John, while I come out of nowhere and tell you your wrong?" Where the flying fuck does that come from? I don't like Leon, never did, I also think John was the greatest Quo drummer in his time, so why do you simply make up things like that up to have something to be angry about? Sorry mate, but this is exactly the same kind of behaviour you've exhibited over there: acting aggressively and putting things into people's mouths so you could stomp all over them. Regardless, even if I DID think that Leon was an improvement, you have no frigging business to tell me I'm "wrong" because there is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to wholly subjective opinions on art! And if you want anyone to respect your opinion, you'd better start respecting others' as well. "That forum is a bag of shite, with the only rules being that you must love everything Francis does, the rest is not important." This is completely incorrect, and I'm pretty sure that at least 95% of that forum's users will tell you that they DO NOT love everything Francis has done. Again, whatever bitterness you have harvested against parts of the fanbase seems to heavily colour your perception... You violated the forum's rules, you should have never joined if all you wanted to do was have a go at random people. But what really worries me is your attitude towards other people, seemingly just because they have a different opinion than yours. You act as if they were inferior to you! Sorry if I'm being harsh but that's my honest impression. It also seems to pass you by that I don't resort to name-calling like so many on this forum (with you not being the worst offender) do. I am very honest - maybe too honest - but I would never call anyone a tit, arse, dick, sycophant or whatever because I can respect people regardless of their voiced opinions. You've destroyed the possibility of maybe becoming friends with some people just because you don't see eye to eye with them on Quo. That's your loss, I guess.
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Post by frozenhero on May 24, 2017 15:42:36 GMT
Nonsense, I don't have glasses But I do
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 15:57:50 GMT
Nonsense, I don't have glasses But I do
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Post by frozenhero on May 24, 2017 16:04:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:15:50 GMT
Better? No...
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Post by curiousgirl on May 24, 2017 16:23:35 GMT
I've quickly looked on here and got the gist of your debate freewilly and frozenhero. I think if there is anything further to be said please can you take this to a PM. This thread is not the place to sort out your disagreements. I take no sides in this quarrel. Thanks.
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Post by freewilly on May 24, 2017 16:29:17 GMT
I don't think you're stupid. I just think you're a bit of a tit tbh. I joined that forum purely for one reason and one reason only... To put the lot of you to shame. Yourself, Snakelady and the rest of them all seem to think Sir Francis of Rossi does no wrong and Alan was some sort of abusive drug addict, who became violent when he didn't get his fix.. Not your words but, what Snakelady implied. That forum is a bag of shite, with the only rules being that you must love everything Francis does, the rest is not important. I mean, look at the excuses some of you made for Francis not mentioning Rick on his first gig back ffs. It's pathetic. Great discussions? Seriously, what great discussions? You and the rattlesnake waffling on about how great Leon is and what an improvement he is on John, while I come out of nowhere and tell you your wrong?... Yeah, epic debate there. And evil? Stick on the TV and you'll see evil... Me telling you you're talking pony is not evil but, a valid opinion... Or so, I'm after reading Seriously FW, I have no logical idea where you get all these ideas from. I don't spend a whole lot more time on the other board (though admittedly more than this one because the negativity just drags me down personally) but what you're saying has very little to do with the actual truth. You're putting things into my mouth that I've never said, nor has really anybody whose posts I read. You even say a few seconds later "not your words" and yet you say "yourself, snakelady and the rest of them all seem to think". Contradictory much? And assuming that every single one person on that forum has the same opinion, where do you think all the lengthy and deep discussions, sometimes with drastic opinion differences come from? Open your eyes and try to shake off all those prejudices, man! "You and the rattlesnake waffling on about how great Leon is and what an improvement he is on John, while I come out of nowhere and tell you your wrong?" Where the flying fuck does that come from? I don't like Leon, never did, I also think John was the greatest Quo drummer in his time, so why do you simply make up things like that up to have something to be angry about? Sorry mate, but this is exactly the same kind of behaviour you've exhibited over there: acting aggressively and putting things into people's mouths so you could stomp all over them. Regardless, even if I DID think that Leon was an improvement, you have no frigging business to tell me I'm "wrong" because there is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to wholly subjective opinions on art! And if you want anyone to respect your opinion, you'd better start respecting others' as well. "That forum is a bag of shite, with the only rules being that you must love everything Francis does, the rest is not important." This is completely incorrect, and I'm pretty sure that at least 95% of that forum's users will tell you that they DO NOT love everything Francis has done. Again, whatever bitterness you have harvested against parts of the fanbase seems to heavily colour your perception... You violated the forum's rules, you should have never joined if all you wanted to do was have a go at random people. But what really worries me is your attitude towards other people, seemingly just because they have a different opinion than yours. You act as if they were inferior to you! Sorry if I'm being harsh but that's my honest impression. It also seems to pass you by that I don't resort to name-calling like so many on this forum (with you not being the worst offender) do. I am very honest - maybe too honest - but I would never call anyone a tit, arse, dick, sycophant or whatever because I can respect people regardless of their voiced opinions. You've destroyed the possibility of maybe becoming friends with some people just because you don't see eye to eye with them on Quo. That's your loss, I guess. You're right... I dont respect their opinions. How can I when they are clearly so wrong?? I myself, I love a lot of the post 86 output. I even put them up there with the best bands I ever saw live... But, in no way shape or form are they any way better then what the FF were and it's absolutely ludicrous to say that. It's not even about tastes or anything like that, it's just a plain fact! Address Book is not a better song than Caroline Movin On, as much as I love it, is not better than Just Take Me or Backwater. Army is not as good as A Year. Also, Snakelady has a massive issue with Alan. What it is, I don't know but, you can't come on here and give me a lecture over "tastes" and ignore her outlandish statements about Alan, both as a person and as a musician. It's not one rule for me and a different rule for everyone else. I don't look down on people's opinions. I'm more than happy to debate with someone. I even had decent debates and discussions with you before.. What I do look down on and what I do wipe my arse with is the following "Oh Alan is a bully and was drug crazed" "So was Francis" "Now now, we have rules here. We have to be respectful to members of the band" If you still think that I shouldn't look down on that, then I can't help you. My attitude towards certain Quo fans stem from some the weirdest posts on FB.."Yes, Rick has died but, the band moves on. It's still Status Quo" I don't have to explain why I have that attitude if I have to read bullshit like that tbh. Also, I use the words fuck, ****, dick, slapped arse, bollocks, all on a daily basis and no harm is meant in them. It's just who I am and what I grew up with. Obviously on the net or over text it looks bad but, you'd know in person I don't mean any harm by it. Apologies to yourself and anyone else as I can understand why it can be seen as offensive
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:29:39 GMT
Clearly the FF reunions were rock gigs with a rock audience. A few missing notes, or a faltered beat is overwhelmed by the sheer power, energy and instinct of the four originals and the instant connect made with the audience. A unique formula that took off from it left off 30 yrs previously.
This in stark contrast to a mixed family demographic who like Quo's hits, but mostly are ambivalent or even unaware of the back catalogue. These people simply want to be able to turn up each year for their "fix" of knowing exactly what will be played, in what order and to a precision note, and when to smile and wave and get a smile and wave back.
It doesn't matter if there is a member missing and exactly who is on the stage, as long as collectively there are enough of them to notice you, and for you to notice them - and for it all to sound pretty much the same as usual. Time after time after time.
Ultimately the original band member leader and his management clearly expressed their preference for the sterile manufactured, neatly packaged M&S fish dinner with an expensive price tag - to the fresh fish which was caught in the sea and then gutted, rinsed cleaned and BBQ'd the same day on the beach.
You pay your money and take your choice....
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Post by wolfman on May 24, 2017 17:14:13 GMT
Clearly the FF reunions were rock gigs with a rock audience. A few missing notes, or a faltered beat is overwhelmed by the sheer power, energy and instinct of the four originals and the instant connect made with the audience. A unique formula that took off from it left off 30 yrs previously.
This in stark contrast to a mixed family demographic who like Quo's hits, but mostly are ambivalent or even unaware of the back catalogue. These people simply want to be able to turn up each year for their "fix" of knowing exactly what will be played, in what order and to a precision note, and when to smile and wave and get a smile and wave back.
It doesn't matter if there is a member missing and exactly who is on the stage, as long as collectively there are enough of them to notice you, and for you to notice them - and for it all to sound pretty much the same as usual. Time after time after time.
Ultimately the original band member leader and his management clearly expressed their preference for the sterile manufactured, neatly packaged M&S fish dinner with an expensive price tag - to the fresh fish which was caught in the sea and then gutted, rinsed cleaned and BBQ'd the same day on the beach.
You pay your money and take your choice.... the way you put that over sounds like the new punter are from towie....
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Post by Gaz on May 25, 2017 0:15:03 GMT
I've quickly looked on here and got the gist of your debate freewilly and frozenhero . I think if there is anything further to be said please can you take this to a PM. This thread is not the place to sort out your disagreements. I take no sides in this quarrel. Thanks. ORDER....ORDER!!!
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Post by 4th Chord on May 25, 2017 11:29:28 GMT
Thread locked.
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