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Post by ablues on Apr 15, 2017 17:53:09 GMT
I know the circumstances are different and this is not intended in bad taste. The circumstances in which Richie Malone joined the band and the circumstances in which he now remains in the band were of course tragic and saddened us all, but I wonder if CQ fans who got into the band in the 80's (or later) after Spud and Nuff left have a better understanding of how FF fans felt about Quo without the two aforementioned?
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Post by 4th Chord on Apr 15, 2017 18:16:25 GMT
I know the circumstances are different and this is not intended in bad taste. The circumstances in which Richie Malone joined the band and the circumstances in which he now remains in the band were of course tragic and saddened us all, but I wonder if CQ fans who got into the band in the 80's (or later) after Spud and Nuff left have a better understanding of how FF fans felt about Quo without the two aforementioned? I think it's clear what you mean, so no worries. I think possibly not. Those who seem to be of the 'it's still Quo, you're not a Quo fan anymore if you don't still support the ban in its current form', generally, and I mean generally, are huge Francis Rossi fans. Everyone else in the band is, and was, secondary. Some people don't seem to get, or have, the emotional connection with the band members. The guys who sat together in a room and wrote and played those great songs. People go on about how it's a business, and why everyone should still make a living. I read someone say 'why should Francis suffer because of the lifestyle of his band partner', which I personally thought was a horrendous thing to say. He's maybe not suffering but as an artist he has a choice. Well done to CQ for continuing a career, but to do it as if nothing has happened, playing the same sets, having others sing Rick's songs, Rain in particular, makes me fucking mad at the disrespect shown. And that fucking album cover for the new live release, taking out Rick and putting in Richie. Anyone supporting that and trying to take the moral high ground can fuck right off. Rant over.
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Post by Victor on Apr 15, 2017 18:39:41 GMT
I know the circumstances are different and this is not intended in bad taste. The circumstances in which Richie Malone joined the band and the circumstances in which he now remains in the band were of course tragic and saddened us all, but I wonder if CQ fans who got into the band in the 80's (or later) after Spud and Nuff left have a better understanding of how FF fans felt about Quo without the two aforementioned? I think it's clear what you mean, so no worries. I think possibly not. Those who seem to be of the 'it's still Quo, you're not a Quo fan anymore if you don't still support the ban in its current form', generally, and I mean generally, are huge Francis Rossi fans. Everyone else in the band is, and was, secondary. Some people don't seem to get, or have, the emotional connection with the band members. The guys who sat together in a room and wrote and played those great songs. People go on about how it's a business, and why everyone should still make a living. I read someone say 'why should Francis suffer because of the lifestyle of his band partner', which I personally thought was a horrendous thing to say. He's maybe not suffering but as an artist he has a choice. Well done to CQ for continuing a career, but to do it as if nothing has happened, playing the same sets, having others sing Rick's songs, Rain in particular, makes me fucking mad at the disrespect shown. And that fucking album cover for the new live release, taking out Rick and putting in Richie. Anyone supporting that and trying to take the moral high ground can fuck right off. Rant over. Couldn't agree more with what you said. It's dependent of course on which kind of CQ fan one meets, like amongst ff fans you have your arseholes and those who can respect others opinions and as far as that goes I try to treat everyone individually. If they show me respect I will do so as well, if they don't and take the moral high ground as you say then they can indeed feck right off. I will be honest, I was a huge Francis fan for a long time and that had everything to do with how Quo got into my life at the time... Even after the crap albums like AC, PR, DS...still kept listening patiently to every new album up to QPQ... and then BQ came...after the reunions...The disrespect from FR towards the old songs, his partner Rick, the hanging on to that what he claimed to despise...what a letdown... I think the disrespect shown to Rick is horrible and not just from FR but from every single one of them. Nah. I have no problem with them carrying on with new fans and they can have their opinions...but this band ain't a shadow of what this band once was, one of the finest bands on the planet.
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Post by 111 on Apr 15, 2017 20:10:21 GMT
Anyone supporting that and trying to take the moral high ground can fuck right off.
Rant over.[/quote]
Not that you're trying to take the moral high ground, eh 4th?😘
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Post by 4th Chord on Apr 15, 2017 20:33:41 GMT
Anyone supporting that and trying to take the moral high ground can fuck right off. Rant over. Not that you're trying to take the moral high ground, eh 4th?😘[/quote] I do when the alternative is indefensible, and I don't do it often. Cheeky.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Apr 15, 2017 20:47:42 GMT
I'm torn on the issue, I have been a fan since 85 and the EOTR vid I must have watched so many times. So was used to seeing Alan in the band on film. Had the music with John but didn't know much about him Live . So to start with for me Quo were Francis,Rick, Alan, Andy and Pete. By 86 Alan and Pete were gone and we had Rhino and Jeff, I adjusted to them quicker than I did with Francis having a pony tail. However for a long time this was the Quo to me. FF stuff was the best and I enjoyed the later stuff.
So by the time I see the band Live Jeff was about to leave and again adjusted to Matt pretty well. Then after he left for me things changed Leon is a good drummer but seeing a young guy in the band the same age as me felt odd. The Reunions happen and whilst it was plain to see that Alan was frail it was great to see them. Though it was obvious it could not be long term.
So by the time we get the inital bad news last year and we have Ritchie standing in. Ok they have to forfil their contracts, Rick then passing away changes things for me again.
On the one hand I think it's selfish of me to demand they no longer perform using the name which generates the most income,like Brian May and Roger Taylor do.
The flip side is if the band members enjoy what they do why should we demand they stop. The fact that the modern music world demands the most return for the product almost dictates what needs to be done to sell records.
I know I won't buy this new Live CD due to the stagnent set list. I have almost the same one with the Live in Australia gig from 2010. So that's not needed I don't buy the new re-issues because of the poor extras.
Would I buy an Aquostic 3, I doubt it. Would I buy a new electric studio album without Rick maybe (it really depends on the music quality now). Would I buy a Francis Rossi solo album. Yes because I liked his last one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:13:59 GMT
There isn't anything wrong with having an emotional attachment to a band member(s), its a natural response many fans have towards their favourite bands but when this becomes excessive then it requires a reality check.
I can speak for having had an absurd bias for Francis and applying that bias into a "can't do no wrong" perspective. It wasn't a conscious thing, or meant to annoy anyone, but effectively because perspective is skewed so much you do risk defending the indefensible
In my own case I don't think I took the moral high ground with it, but sycophancy is annoying enough to others on its own, without then taking the moral high ground with it which is even more intolerable. Often this manifests itself in a kind of passive aggression often characterised by sanctimonious "mild scolding" so as intended to learn the error of ways.
Fortunately its not a phenomenon that is found much at all on this site...
I think its true that the outward lack of respect towards Rick and "business as usual" approach does not leave a good taste in the mouth and its also true that any blind sycophancy towards a band member (Francis in particular) and the band/management in general that might trigger attempting to defend "business as usual" justifies any criticism it gets
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:46:57 GMT
The flip side is if the band members enjoy what they do why should we demand they stop. The fact that the modern music world demands the most return for the product almost dictates what needs to be done to sell records. Yes indeed, if they enjoy what they do then obviously they are fully entitled to continue. But its disappointing that the outward impression to many is that any stoical front put forward at the loss of Rick comes across too convincingly. Francis has done one or two interviews where he has articulated himself well enough, but there is far too much of a sense of "business as usual" about things and on an active level this is reflected in carrying on without Rick with the "same old" as if nothing has happened.
He might understandably reflect on his own morality as a result of the loss of Rick, but the pervading unwelcome sense is that "show business" trumps personal loss. Loss which had stemmed from original friendship and musical partnership that began in the mid 1960's
No doubt it will be the same cheeky chappy act on stage at the gigs with the same set, same nods, winks and stage moves. Yet this is no longer any temporary strategy with Rick given time to recover. Rick has gone.
They might be entitled to proceed with the band if they wish to, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be criticised for the manner they do so, and for the apparent lack of respect for Rick that is apparent in doing so.
As suggested above, it has to be said at this juncture that holier than thou attempts to close that opinion down, which pop up every now and then from some quarters on the basis of sycophantic support for individual members or band/management in general will only serve to flame dissent further.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:57:01 GMT
Let them carry on I really don't care and have zero interest in the current line up. The way it's all ended up is really shit isn't it?
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Post by kiwipom on Apr 16, 2017 10:00:26 GMT
The flip side is if the band members enjoy what they do why should we demand they stop. The fact that the modern music world demands the most return for the product almost dictates what needs to be done to sell records. Yes indeed, if they enjoy what they do then obviously they are fully entitled to continue. But its disappointing that the outward impression to many is that any stoical front put forward at the loss of Rick comes across too convincingly. Francis has done one or two interviews where he has articulated himself well enough, but there is far too much of a sense of "business as usual" about things and on an active level this is reflected in carrying on without Rick with the "same old" as if nothing has happened.
He might understandably reflect on his own morality as a result of the loss of Rick, but the pervading unwelcome sense is that "show business" trumps personal loss. Loss which had stemmed from original friendship and musical partnership that began in the mid 1960's
No doubt it will be the same cheeky chappy act on stage at the gigs with the same set, same nods, winks and stage moves. Yet this is no longer any temporary strategy with Rick given time to recover. Rick has gone.
They might be entitled to proceed with the band if they wish to, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be criticised for the manner they do so, and for the apparent lack of respect for Rick that is apparent in doing so.
As suggested above, it has to be said at this juncture that holier than thou attempts to close that opinion down, which pop up every now and then from some quarters on the basis of sycophantic support for individual members or band/management in general will only serve to flame dissent further.
Probably a widely-held view and perfectly expressed
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Post by curiousgirl on Apr 16, 2017 10:12:57 GMT
I too think its legitimate topic to talk about in this way. For me, its about timing in relation to Rick's death. Its too soon to see the band rolling on as if he never existed. And that earbook cover The problem Francis et al have is that he, Andy and even Rhino are too old now to wait a respectable amount of time before returning to the road. Using the Queen example, Freddie died in 1991 and only in the last few years are Queen touring with Andrew Lambert. I don't follow AC/DC to know how soon they continued after the death of Bon Scott but that must have been hard if it was soon after, even it all worked out in the end. At the reunion gigs I met some CQ fans who were blown away by the Alan/John influence on the sound and could see the difference. So some may drop away. I suppose its why you go to a gig. Is it only for a good night out and the music without any big emotional attachment to the members? A bit like going to hear a piece of classical music with a symphony orchestra. Maybe this is what keeps the CQ fans going. Seeing Quo play live was always much more than that for me. It was the Quo. And it had to be them, those four for me.* Others can reproduce the sound well but its not the Quo. They're playing music written by Status Quo. However, I might be tempted to see another well known act without some key original members because I'm curious. And yes, Francis was (probably still is) my favourite band member, purely from a teenage perspective. He pissed me off royally over his reunion gig comments though. But he's not enough to keep me seeing Quo.Not even sure I want to see him play solo again. That was nice but not enough after what's happened. * I re-watched 4500x NEC 82 yesterday and that is what watching Quo means to me. My big fear prior to the reunion gigs was that it wouldn't be the same if they were forced to be more static due to age. But we all know they were brilliant still.
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Post by Railroad17 on Apr 16, 2017 10:19:10 GMT
They could do an album part acoustic and electric do opera,reggae,rap,funk(off) and other styles.This album could be Eclectic 1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:28:16 GMT
Hi All, I still say that FR should now call the band FR's Quo/SQ that would be the ultimate show of respect to Rick if they must carry on without him. Even if they produced another album I would give it a listen but only in the sense I knew it was not Quo but Francis and his band, Quo is over as far as I am concerned but in the same vein many fans have said exactly the same when John or Alan had gone but that's the bands history.
It's the core vocals that make the sound of any band and we had three in the FF. Quo have now after Rick's passing sadly (RIP Rick ) a second instantly recognisable vocal that has vanished. Francis and Rick where those core vocals even more so after Alan's departure with Rick now gone it's changed again.
Anybody else singing the vocals on Ricks tracks will just be an pale imitation of the power he had and I can understand why so many hate the thought of the band continuing those tracks. It just will not have the same affect on the audience at gigs let alone sound the same.
Rhino's voice has it's own distinct sound but at the end he sounds just like 'Colin Hay' the lead singer with 'Men At Work', while he may fit his own tracks he does not fit into Alan's shoes singing his tracks IMHO. The same will be when anybody else tries to fill the void of RP singing his tracks.
Like I said the band should just be called FR's Quo as without ricks vocals they will be berated even further for being a cover band while playing on the back of the music produced by FF and not CQ, any tour may as well be called the FR tour if they do not change their name sadly....
Geoff.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Apr 17, 2017 10:05:23 GMT
I too think its legitimate topic to talk about in this way. For me, its about timing in relation to Rick's death. Its too soon to see the band rolling on as if he never existed. And that earbook cover The problem Francis et al have is that he, Andy and even Rhino are too old now to wait a respectable amount of time before returning to the road. Using the Queen example, Freddie died in 1991 and only in the last few years are Queen touring with Andrew Lambert. I don't follow AC/DC to know how soon they continued after the death of Bon Scott but that must have been hard if it was soon after, even it all worked out in the end.
At the reunion gigs I met some CQ fans who were blown away by the Alan/John influence on the sound and could see the difference. So some may drop away. I suppose its why you go to a gig. Is it only for a good night out and the music without any big emotional attachment to the members? A bit like going to hear a piece of classical music with a symphony orchestra. Maybe this is what keeps the CQ fans going. Seeing Quo play live was always much more than that for me. It was the Quo. And it had to be them, those four for me.* Others can reproduce the sound well but its not the Quo. They're playing music written by Status Quo. However, I might be tempted to see another well known act without some key original members because I'm curious. And yes, Francis was (probably still is) my favourite band member, purely from a teenage perspective. He pissed me off royally over his reunion gig comments though. But he's not enough to keep me seeing Quo.Not even sure I want to see him play solo again. That was nice but not enough after what's happened. * I re-watched 4500x NEC 82 yesterday and that is what watching Quo means to me. My big fear prior to the reunion gigs was that it wouldn't be the same if they were forced to be more static due to age. But we all know they were brilliant still. Bon Scott died in Feb 1980 and Brian Johnson joined about a month later. They were recording Back In Black by April and it was released in July. They are similar to Quo in their approach to carrying on rightly or wrongly. Malcolm was diagnosed with Dementia and his and Angus Nephew Stevie qucikly replaced him. Then when Brian had hearing problems he was replaced with Axl (which I don't like BTW).
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Post by 4th Chord on Apr 17, 2017 10:32:59 GMT
I too think its legitimate topic to talk about in this way. For me, its about timing in relation to Rick's death. Its too soon to see the band rolling on as if he never existed. And that earbook cover The problem Francis et al have is that he, Andy and even Rhino are too old now to wait a respectable amount of time before returning to the road. Using the Queen example, Freddie died in 1991 and only in the last few years are Queen touring with Andrew Lambert. I don't follow AC/DC to know how soon they continued after the death of Bon Scott but that must have been hard if it was soon after, even it all worked out in the end.
At the reunion gigs I met some CQ fans who were blown away by the Alan/John influence on the sound and could see the difference. So some may drop away. I suppose its why you go to a gig. Is it only for a good night out and the music without any big emotional attachment to the members? A bit like going to hear a piece of classical music with a symphony orchestra. Maybe this is what keeps the CQ fans going. Seeing Quo play live was always much more than that for me. It was the Quo. And it had to be them, those four for me.* Others can reproduce the sound well but its not the Quo. They're playing music written by Status Quo. However, I might be tempted to see another well known act without some key original members because I'm curious. And yes, Francis was (probably still is) my favourite band member, purely from a teenage perspective. He pissed me off royally over his reunion gig comments though. But he's not enough to keep me seeing Quo.Not even sure I want to see him play solo again. That was nice but not enough after what's happened. * I re-watched 4500x NEC 82 yesterday and that is what watching Quo means to me. My big fear prior to the reunion gigs was that it wouldn't be the same if they were forced to be more static due to age. But we all know they were brilliant still. Bon Scott died in Feb 1980 and Brian Johnson joined about a month later. They were recording Back In Black by April and it was released in July. They are similar to Quo in their approach to carrying on rightly or wrongly. Malcolm was diagnosed with Dementia and his and Angus Nephew Stevie qucikly replaced him. Then when Brian had hearing problems he was replaced with Axl (which I don't like BTW). They were still young guys when Bon died. One thing they never did was have Brian sing It’s a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock and Roll), arguably as much a signature song as Rain was to Rick. When I did my rant I'd had a small glass of sweet sherry, but it really does anger me that they couldn't be arsed to stop, take a breather, and rejig the set. At least drop Rain, ffs. Hey, but then this is the guy who brought in 'Oh Baby' from the FF gigs, just to give Al and JC another boot in the nuts. We all loved Francis, but when he became obsessed with worrying about what taking a risk might mean to his pension pot, he lost it. Big time. And where's the gig for Rick announcement?
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