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Post by granny on Dec 17, 2015 9:27:29 GMT
Francis gets slated for being frank about money but have you never paused to think who needs money most? Rick is the one who frittered his money away and did the extra Rock meets Classic gigs, who has gone into the estate agency business and does dodgy deals for pans in car parks. Rick has never spoken about the fans in a derogatory way... The greed factor is appalling, but not something I slate TAFKAR for. Rick only ever gives the answers that he thinks his interviewer wants to hear.
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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 17, 2015 9:31:29 GMT
Francis gets slated for being frank about money but have you never paused to think who needs money most? Rick is the one who frittered his money away and did the extra Rock meets Classic gigs, who has gone into the estate agency business and does dodgy deals for pans in car parks. If Rossi hadn't been a drug addict for years he would not have 'frittered' his money away. If you look at the asking price of Ricks gaff, in Spain he obviously didn't fritter it all away. If he chooses to have investments good look to him. Rossi has done more gigs outside the band than Rick. As for the reunion, Rossi saw cash. When his manager to,d him he was making less than with his version of Status Quo. He went back to his cash cow. As he doesn't have to share the pie equally. In all honesty I know Rick and Alan kept in touch after the reunion did Alan and Francis ? But weren't they all being diddled out of royalities too? Didn't Alan uncover this before he got the boot?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 10:09:08 GMT
If he chooses not to retire and continuing doing what he likes best, then it is not unreasonable for those who have supported him and contributed towards his living for decades, to express their opinions about what he does, or no longer does.
To put it another (very simplistic and much smaller scale) way, just because I might have baked scones and cakes and various other catering products for decades, it doesn't mean that just because I approach an age where retirement becomes an option that I should expect people to stop saying whether they like them or not - especially if I am hoping to make money out of selling them.
Francis downplayed the success of the FF reunions, although he clearly enjoyed them and was surprised at the reaction to them. Contrast that with the obvious joy and happiness that came from the other three - especially Alan and John. Part of the contrariness is what appears to be almost a deliberate attempt to overlook and downplay the obvious - whether that is popularity of previous gigs, and the clamour for more FF gigs or changes in the CQ set list.
I think its the obstinacy and appearing to be obstructive that winds fans up. Or maybe its some psychological mechanism to create a frenzy and then finally do what fans want.
Quite a few front line musicians, DJ's and media people came out of the woodwork when the reunions happened to applaud and give recognition to the return of that band and their music. A very different recognition from the day time telly one that pulls in the casual summer picnic brigade who want a once in a year bop to RAOTW and WYW.
Cash might be something of a factor, but I think Francis (and his management) select selling CQ as show business celebrities rather than rock musicians - and try and skew perceptions that this is the better earner and image than the FF to try and justify a status quo that leaves a lot of main core fans very frustrated.
If priorities and attitudes were different, then I am sure that the final career period could be lived out just as comfortably..if money really is that much an issue for them.
Rick should take a good share of criticism, but he is more than happy as usual to tag along with what Francis and the management decide. His comment about Alan being 'stuck in the 70's' in this respect was less than helpful.
I think that the re-emergence of the FF heightened the respect for Quo as a whole with the credible music audience (as a change from the Darby and Joan club). Being 'stuck in the 70's' is maybe not such a bad money spinner 40 years later
Criticism therefore? Yes, why not indeed.
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Dec 17, 2015 10:46:41 GMT
Rick has never spoken about the fans in a derogatory way... The greed factor is appalling, but not something I slate TAFKAR for. Rick only ever gives the answers that he thinks his interviewer wants to hear. Sometimes it's a wise thing to do, methinks.... Keep some things to yourself... They lied and kept schtumm all through the hazy years.... but when they could make a profit of it (!) , all of a sudden the "we were out of it"-thing came in every interview... off topic, but still...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 11:06:49 GMT
Rick only ever gives the answers that he thinks his interviewer wants to hear. Sometimes it's a wise thing to do, methinks.... Keep some things to yourself... They lied and kept schtumm all through the hazy years.... but when they could make a profit of it (!) , all of a sudden the "we were out of it"-thing came in every interview... off topic, but still... They also needed to wait till they were 'less out of it' to be able to admit 'we were out of it'
Alan and John both speak with so much more clarity, without any compulsive need to have to say something that is funny to try and make people laugh, about the past than either Francis or Rick. Although they (Francis and Rick) were 'out of it' I think they use their typical cheeky chappy humour over this these days, and well rehearsed replies in interviews and on telly, to cover over their discomfort over things that happened, and divert their audience away from dwelling on it too much.
You won't find any of that from either Alan or John. Since the reunions, and interviews for the first time properly in the wider media, I've been quite struck by the different approaches of the two halves of the FF.
It speaks volumes really. Its certainly expanded my own perceptions.
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Post by dennis on Dec 17, 2015 11:33:46 GMT
Rossi is the boss - he's engineered that situation & one of the consequences is he gets the criticism for most everything. He seems to see Status Quo as a job, well as a customer he isn't doing the job I want him to do hence my lack of purchases of either recordings or tickets for many, many years.He seems to have tried to move Quo away from what they, & he, were really good at & towards what he personally prefers. To my mind his job should be to do what he's good at & the stuff he peronally prefers should be a side project or hobby. I'm sure in his heart he knows this is true other wise the live set would have evolved enormously over the last 30 odd years, but he knows the best material was produced during the '70s so that's mainly what they play, although not sufficiently like it used to be played, to my ears.
I don't give him any great credit for finally agreeing to the reunion gigs as I resent the fact that they were ever necessary. Not that I'm overly precious about any of the individuals concerned, but simply because the changes in personnel have changed the sound of the band in a way that I don't like. Subsequent line-ups just don't have that magic "thing" that only seems to occur between the four of them. My view is that he's replaced the Status Quo band with Rossi's Status Quo show. Close enough for some but not all.
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Post by americanquo on Dec 17, 2015 16:18:27 GMT
Francis gets slated for being frank about money but have you never paused to think who needs money most? Rick is the one who frittered his money away and did the extra Rock meets Classic gigs, who has gone into the estate agency business and does dodgy deals for pans in car parks. I think we could probably do with our money most as opposed to give it to them for the cack the produce nowadays. Note the emphasis on our
Time Francis had a rethink and got the FF back on the road as a means of giving not only us older Quo fans what they want, but from what I can gather what most Quo fans want regardless of age. The classic line up, the No 1 Rock and Roll band in the land, will you welcome, STATUS QUOoooooooooooooooo If money is the main driving force, I think it is foolish not to reform the FF, go on tour (as much as AL's health will allow) and perhaps have a fill-in for AL if he cannot play some dates, but mostly PRODUCE A NEW F'N ALBUM. I happen not to be one who thinks the latter FF albums deteriorated. The last 3 might not have been as consistently excellent, but they were still damned good, so I think a new album would probably be outstanding. And it would sell. That's the chief reason for doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 17:50:04 GMT
When he goes on about that he doesn't do nostalgia and blatantly relies on the back catalogue of hits with John and Alan to get him through the live shows then yes Cheers THIS
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Dec 17, 2015 18:35:09 GMT
That may be the case, BUT, you keep telling us you aren't going to see CQ any more and you aren't buying their releases; that being the case you aren't paying any money so they don't in fact owe you anything. Never ever said I would not buy releases.... and the answer refers to anyone that pays their money is entitled to what they pay for....and that's why less and less and less go and see him, cause he does not give his money's worth and does not give them what he owes them, or me, if I choose to go... It's a troubled world. But in line with what bands charge for their tickets, and so on, I didn't feel short changed by the last gig I went to. And the only time I've ever had a gig cancelled was when Rick had his cancer scare. I guess I've been lucky. Ah! I've got my Gerdundula back. That feels better ...
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Dec 17, 2015 18:44:23 GMT
Sometimes it's a wise thing to do, methinks.... Keep some things to yourself... They lied and kept schtumm all through the hazy years.... but when they could make a profit of it (!) , all of a sudden the "we were out of it"-thing came in every interview... off topic, but still... They also needed to wait till they were 'less out of it' to be able to admit 'we were out of it'
Alan and John both speak with so much more clarity, without any compulsive need to have to say something that is funny to try and make people laugh, about the past than either Francis or Rick. Although they (Francis and Rick) were 'out of it' I think they use their typical cheeky chappy humour over this these days, and well rehearsed replies in interviews and on telly, to cover over their discomfort over things that happened, and divert their audience away from dwelling on it too much.
You won't find any of that from either Alan or John. Since the reunions, and interviews for the first time properly in the wider media, I've been quite struck by the different approaches of the two halves of the FF.
It speaks volumes really. Its certainly expanded my own perceptions.
They don't have to. Alan and John don't get pummelled by the media. Constant media attention changes anyone's view, it even changes people's personalities. Being under a spyglass changes you. That includes getting abuse on social media, which Francis in particular has had a lot of.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Dec 17, 2015 18:50:14 GMT
Francis gets slated for being frank about money but have you never paused to think who needs money most? Rick is the one who frittered his money away and did the extra Rock meets Classic gigs, who has gone into the estate agency business and does dodgy deals for pans in car parks. If Rossi hadn't been a drug addict for years he would not have 'frittered' his money away. If you look at the asking price of Ricks gaff, in Spain he obviously didn't fritter it all away. Rick came to the verge of bankruptcy. Can't remember when, some time in the 80s or 90s. Possibly after his second divorce. Francis has never been in that situation. If Rick's in better financial shape now, my guess is that he's got a financial adviser and probably his wife watching it for him
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 19:00:49 GMT
They also needed to wait till they were 'less out of it' to be able to admit 'we were out of it'
Alan and John both speak with so much more clarity, without any compulsive need to have to say something that is funny to try and make people laugh, about the past than either Francis or Rick. Although they (Francis and Rick) were 'out of it' I think they use their typical cheeky chappy humour over this these days, and well rehearsed replies in interviews and on telly, to cover over their discomfort over things that happened, and divert their audience away from dwelling on it too much.
You won't find any of that from either Alan or John. Since the reunions, and interviews for the first time properly in the wider media, I've been quite struck by the different approaches of the two halves of the FF.
It speaks volumes really. Its certainly expanded my own perceptions.
They don't have to. Alan and John don't get pummelled by the media. Constant media attention changes anyone's view, it even changes people's personalities. Being under a spyglass changes you. That includes getting abuse on social media, which Francis in particular has had a lot of. Yes that is true - and is certainly another valid perception
I do think that personality wise though the Francis and Rick 'double act' is, and always has, been a very different type of aspect to anything that might ever be found in character with either Alan or John. Should their media profile have been higher than it is, they would disperse the situation quite differently.
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Dec 17, 2015 19:09:47 GMT
They also needed to wait till they were 'less out of it' to be able to admit 'we were out of it'
Alan and John both speak with so much more clarity, without any compulsive need to have to say something that is funny to try and make people laugh, about the past than either Francis or Rick. Although they (Francis and Rick) were 'out of it' I think they use their typical cheeky chappy humour over this these days, and well rehearsed replies in interviews and on telly, to cover over their discomfort over things that happened, and divert their audience away from dwelling on it too much.
You won't find any of that from either Alan or John. Since the reunions, and interviews for the first time properly in the wider media, I've been quite struck by the different approaches of the two halves of the FF.
It speaks volumes really. Its certainly expanded my own perceptions.
They don't have to. Alan and John don't get pummelled by the media. Constant media attention changes anyone's view, it even changes people's personalities. Being under a spyglass changes you. That includes getting abuse on social media, which Francis in particular has had a lot of. TAFKAR gets the abuse because he has abused some of the fans.... What goes around comes around...
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Dec 17, 2015 19:21:30 GMT
No Rossi and there never would have even been a Quo. Our Ricky doesn't even cut it as a front man as much as I admire the bloke, he'd still be singing with two birds at Butlins, Can't agree with that Of the ff,Rick is the only one who could slot into another top rock n roll band. He'd fit in and do a great job He's a top quality rhythm guitarist. The others need each other to shine.
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Post by muzz on Dec 18, 2015 11:19:51 GMT
50 years.time some of us got used to it....
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