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Post by cactuspete on Dec 16, 2015 21:09:24 GMT
Some dont like his clothing ? his hair? His views.but most, his reluctance to revert to being in his mid twenties.
I would love to revert to my mid twenties,but it aint gonna happen.
Contrary,cussed,odd, infuriating he might be.A bit like myself!
He owes none of us anything.
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Post by derryquo on Dec 16, 2015 21:31:21 GMT
When I pay money for anything...I am owed something...but I can't be arsed to bite more than that
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Post by madtom on Dec 16, 2015 21:31:35 GMT
Probably not fair to be truthful. And that's coming from someone who openly criticises him.
I suppose I just look at him from my own selfish point of view. I'm not interested in another FF album, I just want more gigs and am frustrated by what I see as feeble excuses for not doing them.
One reason he gives is old tensions resurfacing... I'm guessing these are primarily between himself, Alan & maybe John too. But it's not as though they have to live in each others' pockets is it? OK, they have to rehearse a bit beforehand but the tours are relatively short and surely they only have to be together for sound checks and the gigs themselves. I know Rick and Francis sleep on the buses, whereas John and Alan stay in hotels. And I don't suppose anyone forced him to put Alan up at his house. It's these and so many other contradictions that I find so frustrating.
As someone else has already mentioned today, I think his attitude towards the (FF) fans that made him a millionaire is not a good one. If there had been no FF and CQ had started from scratch in 1986 they would have got nowhere IMO.
We know he enjoyed the reunion gigs and I'm sure he made a decent whack out of them.
None of it adds up in my mind and time is not on our side.
GRRRRR!!!
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Post by cactuspete on Dec 16, 2015 21:38:41 GMT
Probably not fair to be truthful. And that's coming from someone who openly criticises him. I suppose I just look at him from my own selfish point of view. I'm not interested in another FF album, I just want more gigs and am frustrated by what I see as feeble excuses for not doing them. One reason he gives is old tensions resurfacing... I'm guessing these are primarily between himself, Alan & maybe John too. But it's not as though they have to live in each others' pockets is it? OK, they have to rehearse a bit beforehand but the tours are relatively short and surely they only have to be together for sound checks and the gigs themselves. I know Rick and Francis sleep on the buses, whereas John and Alan stay in hotels. And I don't suppose anyone forced him to put Alan up at his house. It's these and so many other contradictions that I find so frustrating. As someone else has already mentioned today, I think his attitude towards the (FF) fans that made him a millionaire is not a good one. If there had been no FF and CQ had started from scratch in 1986 they would have got nowhere IMO. We know he enjoyed the reunion gigs and I'm sure he made a decent whack out of them. None of it adds up in my mind and time is not on our side. GRRRRR!!!Are you suggesting he "owes" people who are at least 50 plus something? for a band and music that happened in the 70s.Christ sake.
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Dec 16, 2015 21:41:23 GMT
He don't owe me anything but he is a disappointing somogag (imo) and he and his attitudes has made me very sad, very despondent and cheated upon..... ok, my problem, but I think he has made the bed, now he has to sleep in it....
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Post by curiousgirl on Dec 16, 2015 21:43:14 GMT
Is expressing disappointment over something the same as feeling owed? or being entitled? I don't see that in the comments being posted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:44:13 GMT
When I pay money for anything...I am owed something...but I can't be arsed to bite more than that That may be the case, BUT, you keep telling us you aren't going to see CQ any more and you aren't buying their releases; that being the case you aren't paying any money so they don't in fact owe you anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:46:16 GMT
'Is the criticism of Rossi fair?'
No.
Simple answer.
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Post by granny on Dec 16, 2015 21:47:46 GMT
I admire him.
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Post by markquo on Dec 16, 2015 21:48:53 GMT
When he goes on about that he doesn't do nostalgia and blatantly relies on the back catalogue of hits with John and Alan to get him through the live shows then yes Cheers
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Post by Whoppa Choppa on Dec 16, 2015 21:48:57 GMT
I used to.
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Post by madtom on Dec 16, 2015 21:50:21 GMT
Probably not fair to be truthful. And that's coming from someone who openly criticises him. I suppose I just look at him from my own selfish point of view. I'm not interested in another FF album, I just want more gigs and am frustrated by what I see as feeble excuses for not doing them. One reason he gives is old tensions resurfacing... I'm guessing these are primarily between himself, Alan & maybe John too. But it's not as though they have to live in each others' pockets is it? OK, they have to rehearse a bit beforehand but the tours are relatively short and surely they only have to be together for sound checks and the gigs themselves. I know Rick and Francis sleep on the buses, whereas John and Alan stay in hotels. And I don't suppose anyone forced him to put Alan up at his house. It's these and so many other contradictions that I find so frustrating. As someone else has already mentioned today, I think his attitude towards the (FF) fans that made him a millionaire is not a good one. If there had been no FF and CQ had started from scratch in 1986 they would have got nowhere IMO. We know he enjoyed the reunion gigs and I'm sure he made a decent whack out of them. None of it adds up in my mind and time is not on our side. GRRRRR!!!Are you suggesting he "owes" people who are at least 50 plus something? for a band and music that happened in the 70s.Christ sake. Yes, but I did qualify that by saying that it was my own selfish point of view Whether or not he owes fans anything, I do think his attitude to us is wrong... he basically said that the reunion audiences were masturbating over nostalgia. Tongue-in-cheek I know, but certainly not exactly appreciative of that sizeable section of the fanbase. A stronger argument might be that he does owe it to his three bandmates who do want more; particularly Alan and John who haven't been able to capitalise on the FF's success like he and Rick have. All IMO of course.
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Post by powerage on Dec 16, 2015 22:03:04 GMT
Yes fair.
He's the boss. I bet if Rhino had his way the current line-up would play all sorts of tracks from across the years.
He's the only one stopping more frantics gigs.
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Post by madtom on Dec 16, 2015 22:08:57 GMT
Yes fair. He's the boss. I bet if Rhino had his way the current line-up would play all sorts of tracks from across the years. He's the only one stopping more frantics gigs. For all the flack Rhino gets, I think most would agree that he's a decent chap and I wouldn't mind betting that, if he were boss, he'd make Francis do more FF.
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Post by cactuspete on Dec 16, 2015 22:11:21 GMT
But why critise him for that?
What is he?66 /67 im ten years behind him,in my own line of work "paid my dues"
Like Rossi i owe nothing to anyone.like it or not i dont blame him.
Having said that,if he said another FF tour,i would be like a dog with two cocks .
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