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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 13, 2020 15:30:37 GMT
Thanks for that. Now I get to read and understand how fiddly it all is for three whole pages
I did some recording evening classes once, and came to the conclusion that my ears don't have enough separate channels to be permicketty enough about each individual sound while retaining enough brain space to stay aware of how everything needs to sound when it's all stuck together ("headroom").
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 13, 2020 15:35:11 GMT
Battle of Evermore cries out for an Accordion Page and Plant performed it with a hurdy gurdy IIRR. Does that count?
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 13, 2020 15:39:57 GMT
... However, I think the sound on Bcakbone is weak as anything. Having recently re read Keith Richards autobiography he makes it clear that the essence of recording Rock n Roll music is to capture the 'room', not specifically the instruments. ...
Oddly enough, IIRR Kevin Shirley with Iron Maiden bases his sound on just that. A lot of long term fans hate it though, preferring the complete individual sound control exercised by Martin Birch in the early part of their career. I think if you are appreciative of a crystalline sound with quite a bit of separation, it must be incredibly frustrating to move to a more "live" sound. Being slgihtly cloth eared (see previous post) it doesn't greatly bother me as long as I can hear everything I want to hear. If I really don't like a production, I'm just as bitter and twisted about it as the gold cable club
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 14, 2020 16:20:56 GMT
....since the last one. I like Backbone Drums, alas, I rarely notice. They're just there and need to be. Try backing off. Snare sounds like a snake hiss! Suspect Leon very disappointed
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Post by paradiseflats on Jun 15, 2020 10:22:38 GMT
Can’t say I remember a single song from the very forgettable album.
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jukin
New Rocker Rollin'
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Post by jukin on Aug 12, 2020 4:04:00 GMT
Listening to it again as I'm writing this. I love the album but the production absolutely sucks. Vocals are buried in the mix and whether it's been brickwalled or is just poorly mixed it has a very 'muffled' sound. Compare it to the remastered 'Hello' and the difference is very noticeable. I want to like Backbone but I wish it had been better engineered. A great candidate for remastering if it's ever considered to be worth spending the dosh. Which would be a 'Nyet' of course).
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Aug 13, 2020 0:48:09 GMT
Listening to it again as I'm writing this. I love the album but the production absolutely sucks. Vocals are buried in the mix and whether it's been brickwalled or is just poorly mixed it has a very 'muffled' sound. Compare it to the remastered 'Hello' and the difference is very noticeable. I want to like Backbone but I wish it had been better engineered. A great candidate for remastering if it's ever considered to be worth spending the dosh. Which would be a 'Nyet' of course). I think Rossi used to prefer his vocals being slightly buried in the mix. Something previous engineers/producers used to have to deal with. The more I read/know the less I understand at times, as Mike Paxman (not related to Backbone) isn't everybody's favourite producer on here I gather, but I know he is held in high regard by other engineers/producers who have worked with Quo. He has certainly served his apprenticeship and much more in music, one way or another. Personally still enjoy the majority of the tracks from Backbone. Had been expecting a complete duffer of an album but it really surprised me. Perhaps because the more I learn about Malone the more I feel comfortable about the album. There are issues on the production side certainly, the drums for instance don't have a bright 'live room' sound and seem shackled generally which is a shame and perhaps a by-product (victim) of modern recording techniques. Not sure about re-mastering as such but a re-mix or re-recording of key areas could improve things but that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by Victor on Aug 13, 2020 8:23:25 GMT
Listening to it again as I'm writing this. I love the album but the production absolutely sucks. Vocals are buried in the mix and whether it's been brickwalled or is just poorly mixed it has a very 'muffled' sound. Compare it to the remastered 'Hello' and the difference is very noticeable. I want to like Backbone but I wish it had been better engineered. A great candidate for remastering if it's ever considered to be worth spending the dosh. Which would be a 'Nyet' of course). I think Rossi used to prefer his vocals being slightly buried in the mix. Something previous engineers/producers used to have to deal with. The more I read/know the less I understand at times, as Mike Paxman (not related to Backbone) isn't everybody's favourite producer on here I gather, but I know he is held in high regard by other engineers/producers who have worked with Quo. He has certainly served his apprenticeship and much more in music, one way or another. Personally still enjoy the majority of the tracks from Backbone. Had been expecting a complete duffer of an album but it really surprised me. Perhaps because the more I learn about Malone the more I feel comfortable about the album. There are issues on the production side certainly, the drums for instance don't have a bright 'live room' sound and seem shackled generally which is a shame and perhaps a by-product (victim) of modern recording techniques. Not sure about re-mastering as such but a re-mix or re-recording of key areas could improve things but that's not going to happen anytime soon. I agree with just about everything you write here. Like you I still enjoy the majority of tracks from Backbone, especially WFAW, CMSS, ISYIST, FOTW, GOOMH and FTM. Sure, it's not as good as the stuff from 70 to 81, it couldn't be and it couldn't be the same. But compared with a lot of disappointments over the years after 82, I really like this album and enjoy it as much as I do UTI and QPQ. The drums could certainly have been better produced but for the rest I think Francis did a pretty decent job producing this album. As you know I don;t have too much problems with the vocals being a bit more in the background, to the contrary, that's exactly the way I like it ! It used to be like that especially on albums like JS and NTL which belong to my favorite albums. I don't like the voices to sound too loud in the mix. I realise full good and well this can't live up to the glory times and I suppose I am easier satisfied then I used to be. But if Rossi's band can make albums like this still, yea, then i'd certainly like to have a couple more albums like this ! It surprised me quite a bit too and I had never expected it to turn out this decent. It's an album I still regularly play and will keep doing so, together with the albums from Dog of two Head up to 1982. There are things on Backbone that definitely remind me of 1982 (I see you're in some trouble and Falling off the World for instance). The only track that I don't like is Crazy Crazy...but for the rest I enjoy the album quite a bit and in that I differ from other fans of the glory time. It's Rossi's Quo for me nowadays but that I don't see as a problem. At least this album has some things that remind me of the glory times a bit and if that's what I can get nowadays from them, then I am satisfied, I don;t expect more
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mortified
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Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
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Post by mortified on Aug 13, 2020 9:02:27 GMT
I think a repetition of the quality of the "classic" albums between '71 and, say, '81 is highly unlikely. Different writing, different recording techniques and different people. Older people. The Stones are the same. Between about 1968 and 1972 they were unstoppable. They've never managed to recreate that period with any consistency. But they've still come up with the odd gem along the way. Backbone is OK. Actually, no, it's good. But I don't seem to like it quite as much as Heavy Traffic, Party, Fourth Chord, Quid Pro Quo or even Bula Quo! I could try and analyse why I suppose but it could just as easily be down to me as much as the music. Probably is in fact. My listening habits have changed. More dramatically since the advent of mp3 than ever before. I now have the concentration span of a 16 year old who can't decide between Ed Sheerin or an hour on Instagram
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 13, 2020 12:01:52 GMT
Agree with Victor
Only difference is I stopped listening months ago and it's still too soon to know whether I'll go back
Either way, I listened non stop for a few months and loved it. I'll be very happy to experience that again for another album if they want to make one...
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