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Post by Quoincidence on Sept 3, 2019 19:39:51 GMT
He didn't play on the first version? Because it sure as hell sounds like him. Do you mean the album version? It came to light fairly recently that that track is a Rossi demo. I'm afraid i can't recall the source though. To be fair, anyone could play that bass line. It may be synthesized also. Or Andy Bown could have played it, as well as the keyboards. Again, the drums are definitely from a drum machine. It has all the hallmarks of a demo! The album version is 100% a demo version of the song, hence the finished version that came later on as a single release... but titled [re-recorded version] So many differences between the 2. Piano / Synths are massively different. The drumming is better on the Re-recorded version. More fills, and cymbals hits. Still a drum machine from the sounds of it however, and if it isn't, then they definitely triggered Pete's kit I'm sure Rossi's vocal track was redone, as on the album version he sounds half asleep singing it and of course... THE SOLO More guitar in the mix, albeit buried under the synths. It's a shame that Andy's piano playing is so buried under everything as well as he plays some great bits throughout the song that can be heard if you use a centre canceller. I love the song though, always have... the re-recorded version that is! so shoot me
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gav
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Post by gav on Sept 3, 2019 21:15:09 GMT
Do you mean the album version? It came to light fairly recently that that track is a Rossi demo. I'm afraid i can't recall the source though. To be fair, anyone could play that bass line. It may be synthesized also. Or Andy Bown could have played it, as well as the keyboards. Again, the drums are definitely from a drum machine. It has all the hallmarks of a demo! The album version is 100% a demo version of the song, hence the finished version that came later on as a single release... but titled [re-recorded version] So many differences between the 2. Piano / Synths are massively different. The drumming is better on the Re-recorded version. More fills, and cymbals hits. Still a drum machine from the sounds of it however, and if it isn't, then they definitely triggered Pete's kit I'm sure Rossi's vocal track was redone, as on the album version he sounds half asleep singing it and of course... THE SOLO More guitar in the mix, albeit buried under the synths. It's a shame that Andy's piano playing is so buried under everything as well as he plays some great bits throughout the song that can be heard if you use a centre canceller. I love the song though, always have... the re-recorded version that is! so shoot me I also love it (the single version) - it was the first piece of vinyl i ever bought, at the tender age of 9, so it's a significant Quo track for me, and one tinged with a fair bit of nostalgia. I'll not be in line to shoot you!
It's not a bad attempt at re-creating a full band sound. Pete's drumming in the studio was uber-simple anyway, so the programming on this recording is convincing. Again, if you listen to I Wonder Why, which has to be from the same sessions and played on the same gear, the drum fills on it are definitely programmed, so i'd wager GDTT is the same.
Yeah, Rossi's voice to me is even more markedly lax on the single version, hard to make out some of the words he's singing. Pretty impossible in fact when i was 9! Took me years to figure out that the high-pitched vocals in the chorus are actually singing "I'm going.....going, going, going" !
The thing i always wanted to know was how Rossi got the guitar tone on the first half of the solo - it sounds somewhere inbetween a kazzoo and a saxophone. Some sort of compressed fuzz is my only guess. One of his best solos, IMO.
Overall, i think it's a great Quo song, though seen through very nostalgic specs. I like the minor chords in it, something which worked well away from the usual Quo template. That major-minor thing always makes a song more interesting to my lugs. They used it a lot on the Ain't Complaining album too, and i will definitely get shot down for this, but i think it worked well there too. It created a bit more depth where there was otherwise very little.
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Post by Quoincidence on Sept 3, 2019 21:41:20 GMT
The album version is 100% a demo version of the song, hence the finished version that came later on as a single release... but titled [re-recorded version] So many differences between the 2. Piano / Synths are massively different. The drumming is better on the Re-recorded version. More fills, and cymbals hits. Still a drum machine from the sounds of it however, and if it isn't, then they definitely triggered Pete's kit I'm sure Rossi's vocal track was redone, as on the album version he sounds half asleep singing it and of course... THE SOLO More guitar in the mix, albeit buried under the synths. It's a shame that Andy's piano playing is so buried under everything as well as he plays some great bits throughout the song that can be heard if you use a centre canceller. I love the song though, always have... the re-recorded version that is! so shoot me I also love it (the single version) - it was the first piece of vinyl i ever bought, at the tender age of 9, so it's a significant Quo track for me, and one tinged with a fair bit of nostalgia. I'll not be in line to shoot you!
It's not a bad attempt at re-creating a full band sound. Pete's drumming in the studio was uber-simple anyway, so the programming on this recording is convincing. Again, if you listen to I Wonder Why, which has to be from the same sessions and played on the same gear, the drum fills on it are definitely programmed, so i'd wager GDTT is the same.
Yeah, Rossi's voice to me is even more markedly lax on the single version, hard to make out some of the words he's singing. Pretty impossible in fact when i was 9! Took me years to figure out that the high-pitched vocals in the chorus are actually singing "I'm going.....going, going, going" !
The thing i always wanted to know was how Rossi got the guitar tone on the first half of the solo - it sounds somewhere inbetween a kazzoo and a saxophone. Some sort of compressed fuzz is my only guess. One of his best solos, IMO.
Overall, i think it's a great Quo song, though seen through very nostalgic specs. I like the minor chords in it, something which worked well away from the usual Quo template. That major-minor thing always makes a song more interesting to my lugs. They used it a lot on the Ain't Complaining album too, and i will definitely get shot down for this, but i think it worked well there too. It created a bit more depth where there was otherwise very little.
Quo have had their strange methods on obtaining some sounds in the studio by experimenting with things... like the solo on Accident Prone. They did something odd to get the tone on that, but I can't entirely remember what it was. And in regards to the drums... I think that's the sound Rossi wanted, as they sound like that on his solo material also which Pete played on. Full of triggers and samples... probably why Jeff used triggers on his kit for concerts whilst he was with the band. I'm pretty sure Matt used triggers also. Ain't Complaining album I love also, which I will also possibly get shot for Not really a track that I skip on that one. Can listen to it the whole way through... Perfect Remedy on the other hand, not a chance. It's only Pete, Francis, Andy and Bernie that appear on it anyway. Rick in the video doesn't have a clue what to play and Nuff is just doing whatever... I'll have to watch that again at some point because it has a great promo video too! Filmed in Zwolle.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Sept 3, 2019 23:00:55 GMT
I also love it (the single version) - it was the first piece of vinyl i ever bought, at the tender age of 9, so it's a significant Quo track for me, and one tinged with a fair bit of nostalgia. I'll not be in line to shoot you!
It's not a bad attempt at re-creating a full band sound. Pete's drumming in the studio was uber-simple anyway, so the programming on this recording is convincing. Again, if you listen to I Wonder Why, which has to be from the same sessions and played on the same gear, the drum fills on it are definitely programmed, so i'd wager GDTT is the same.
Yeah, Rossi's voice to me is even more markedly lax on the single version, hard to make out some of the words he's singing. Pretty impossible in fact when i was 9! Took me years to figure out that the high-pitched vocals in the chorus are actually singing "I'm going.....going, going, going" !
The thing i always wanted to know was how Rossi got the guitar tone on the first half of the solo - it sounds somewhere inbetween a kazzoo and a saxophone. Some sort of compressed fuzz is my only guess. One of his best solos, IMO.
Overall, i think it's a great Quo song, though seen through very nostalgic specs. I like the minor chords in it, something which worked well away from the usual Quo template. That major-minor thing always makes a song more interesting to my lugs. They used it a lot on the Ain't Complaining album too, and i will definitely get shot down for this, but i think it worked well there too. It created a bit more depth where there was otherwise very little.
Quo have had their strange methods on obtaining some sounds in the studio by experimenting with things... like the solo on Accident Prone. They did something odd to get the tone on that, but I can't entirely remember what it was.
And in regards to the drums... I think that's the sound Rossi wanted, as they sound like that on his solo material also which Pete played on. Full of triggers and samples... probably why Jeff used triggers on his kit for concerts whilst he was with the band. I'm pretty sure Matt used triggers also. Ain't Complaining album I love also, which I will also possibly get shot for Not really a track that I skip on that one. Can listen to it the whole way through... Perfect Remedy on the other hand, not a chance. It's only Pete, Francis, Andy and Bernie that appear on it anyway. Rick in the video doesn't have a clue what to play and Nuff is just doing whatever... I'll have to watch that again at some point because it has a great promo video too! Filmed in Zwolle. With the guitar solo on 'Accident Prone' I think it's possible John Eden/Pip decided to plug the guitar direct (DI) to the board in the studio. A technique occasionally used by engineers/producers and can be heard on some iconic songs.
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Post by Quoincidence on Sept 3, 2019 23:11:37 GMT
Quo have had their strange methods on obtaining some sounds in the studio by experimenting with things... like the solo on Accident Prone. They did something odd to get the tone on that, but I can't entirely remember what it was.
And in regards to the drums... I think that's the sound Rossi wanted, as they sound like that on his solo material also which Pete played on. Full of triggers and samples... probably why Jeff used triggers on his kit for concerts whilst he was with the band. I'm pretty sure Matt used triggers also. Ain't Complaining album I love also, which I will also possibly get shot for Not really a track that I skip on that one. Can listen to it the whole way through... Perfect Remedy on the other hand, not a chance. It's only Pete, Francis, Andy and Bernie that appear on it anyway. Rick in the video doesn't have a clue what to play and Nuff is just doing whatever... I'll have to watch that again at some point because it has a great promo video too! Filmed in Zwolle. With the guitar solo on 'Accident Prone' I think it's possible John Eden/Pip decided to plug the guitar direct (DI) to the board in the studio. A technique occasionally used by engineers/producers and can be heard on some iconic songs. Found an old post were John Eden mentioned it on one of the old forums "Take a nice Travis Bean with new strings. Warm her neck up to room temperature. Jack cord her hi output into a direct injection box and straight into the mic pre on the board. Which in this case was a custom made console by Philips.Make sure the channel fader is down. Assign your group out. Now crank the mic pre amp gain flat out. Gently ease that fader up an inch !! Doesn't work on all boards and on many it's the way to blow up your pre amp but I was feeling frisky that day! It was really a combination of the high output TB/ desk overdrive and Francis' technique. No amp used." You was right about it being DI'd... didn't the Beatles do the same when recording Revolution
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Sept 3, 2019 23:25:29 GMT
Quoincidence...yes, I think that is correct about The Beatles using DI, or rather their brave/crazy engineer!
Other guitar solos/tracks that immediately spring to mind which were probably DI to the studio board are Led Zep's 'Black Dog' and the lead guitar solos (underrated solos?) in 'Goodbye To Love' by The Carpenters.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Sept 3, 2019 23:26:20 GMT
I'm getting a bit behind. When I came to the top of the page, I assumed everyone was talking about Backbone. ("Funny" I thought, "They have two versions out already?? Demo - so THAT's why it sounds like a piece of packaged pop.")
Then I realised my error. The first bit, not the second bit.
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