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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 4, 2019 15:57:25 GMT
As always, we all see things differently. For me there's far more quality here than with WYW. By any objective measure there's more quality than NTL, but I always preferred NTL (as hard to explain as may be)
Because I'm less keen on WYW compared to JS and NTL, I don't see this as part of a holy trinity, but but I do see them fit as a trio of albums. From boogie rock to commercial heavy rock...
Overrated? I don't see that. More the case that this trio of albums very much has its fans amongst the hard-core, and always has
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Post by Victor on Jun 4, 2019 16:00:46 GMT
Never a huge fan of this album. It’s a very decent album but for me is pretty weak in places. I do think that part of the reason I was never keen it was a clear road marker for where they were going. Firstly any Quo album without a decent length song is poorerin my opinion. It starts so well. What your proposing is a great pop rock single. That for some reason always reminded me of Here comes the sun. No idea why. The quality dips dramatically after that. RTM. Quo does Chas n Dave but not very well. DDMC a plodding unmemorable song that has a top drawer solo and outro. Lies a song that is ok but I’m sure sounds worse as a result of them recording poorer sounding songs if this type for years. The backing vocals as annoying as anything on NTL. OTE basic song. Better live than on album. After Side One it ranks alongside The Heat and Rocking as the worst rock albums with John on. Side two is something different however. A far superior offering. Has some great tunes and a little bit different from the band. The Wild Ones in many ways the sister track to The Mountain Lady. A great melodic rock song. Like they haven’t recorded in donkies. Name of the game has poor keyboards and weak production. Suffers from BTL like backing vocals. It’s a theme of both this and NTL. Both have production that varies through the album but the very good to the very tinny. I have however always loved Coming n Going. It’s a bit different and shows where the band could have gone if they had chosen to. I really like Rock n Roll. Don’t know why. Especially the lyrics. They’re simple but effective. The solo is great. An album that is a bit of a game of two halves. A solid effort. As they tried to find a new direction. Sadly that turned out to be down the dust pipe. Well, coming and going is over 6.20 which is not much shorter then mystery song on BFY. Slow Train and Roadhouse Blues for instance are only one and a half minute and one minute longer.
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Post by blagult on Jun 4, 2019 17:50:16 GMT
I just find ‘ Holy Trinity ‘ hilarious in describing these 3 albums. It’s basically a QUO trying to find a new direction. Completely away from sounding like the FF of the 70’s. This album and NTL split the Quo fan base like Brexit...lol. NTL is a top album for me as it has much better songs than JS. Anyway sorry but off topic.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 4, 2019 18:17:52 GMT
I don't remember WYW, JS and NTL rocking the boat that much with the fan base, the way that Rockin' and the Heat albums had caused a certain amount of consternation and confusion in the ranks.
I understand why some board members are saying about the Trinity etc, as after the the Rockin' and Heat albums it seemed like Quo had found a seam of consistency across 3 consecutive albums with reasonably uncluttered engineering and production.
4 x Top Ten singles from the trio with WYP being kept off the top spot by Babs Streisand. No mean feat. The 3 albums went Top 5. Easy to forget what an achievement that actually had been with the competition really heating up by the late 70s and a far cry from the boogie minded times of the early 70s when Quo were having everything their way.
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Post by Victor on Jun 4, 2019 18:32:07 GMT
I don't remember WYW, JS and NTL rocking the boat that much with the fan base, the way that Rockin' and the Heat albums had caused a certain amount of consternation and confusion in the ranks. I understand why some board members are saying about the Trinity etc, as after the the Rockin' and Heat albums it seemed like Quo had found a seam of consistency across 3 consecutive albums with reasonably uncluttered engineering and production.4 x Top Ten singles from the trio with WYP being kept off the top spot by Babs Streisand. No mean feat. The 3 albums went Top 5. Easy to forget what an achievement that actually had been with the competition really heating up by the late 70s and a far cry from the boogie minded times of the early 70s when Quo were having everything their way.This
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 4, 2019 18:53:24 GMT
Has anyone ever asked a band member about the "anti nuke" thing? I suspect the idea came from outside the band, but who knows?
I suspect Francis liked the idea of being seen as more serious, more adult oriented and less lame brained!
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Post by kursaal75 on Jun 4, 2019 19:48:48 GMT
I must of wondered where we were going with the first Quo album of the 80s, the previous album Whatever You Want, to me was back on track compeard to the previous 2 albums. I liked the 1st single release from the album, 'What Your Proposing', a number 2 hit in the UK single's chart, which was released a couple of weeks before the album and again, it came in a cover I wasn't impressed with. I wasn't keen on 'Run To Mummy', it reminded me of Eddie & the Hotrods version of, 'Get Out Of Denver' To me 'Don't Drive My Car' was an okay record, but I did like 'Lies' a Christmas hit in 1980. I much preferred the live version of 'Over The Edge' As for 'The Wild One's' & 'Name Of The Game' they were okay tracks, but didn't do much for me. I did like Coming And Going and I thought it would of been a better track selection it was the last track on the album after the 3rd single Rock And Roll, including one of Rossi's greatest guitar solos. (7/10)
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Post by dennis on Jun 5, 2019 0:12:28 GMT
How about this one from Bill Shankly? ') At a football club, there’s a holy trinity: the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques As with many of the late great man's quotes, a great soundbite but in reality it's bollocks.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jun 5, 2019 8:29:31 GMT
Has anyone ever asked a band member about the "anti nuke" thing? I suspect the idea came from outside the band, but who knows? I suspect Francis liked the idea of being seen as more serious, more adult oriented and less lame brained! I don't know why the band chose it but it was very topical after 1979 and the incident at Three Mile Island. I remember going with the school to an exhibition about nuclear science and shocked at having to walk through a group of protesters to go inside. There were a lot of demos in the following years too. So certainly the covers were topical.
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Jun 5, 2019 9:52:11 GMT
Has anyone ever asked a band member about the "anti nuke" thing? I suspect the idea came from outside the band, but who knows? I suspect Francis liked the idea of being seen as more serious, more adult oriented and less lame brained! I don't know why the band chose it but it was very topical after 1979 and the incident at Three Mile Island. I remember going with the school to an exhibition about nuclear science and shocked at having to walk through a group of protesters to go inside. There were a lot of demos in the following years too. So certainly the covers were topical. And I suppose it fitted with the title of the album , which is taken from the lyrics of the headline single What Your Proposin. Thank goodness they didn't go down the runny nosing route!
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 5, 2019 12:31:05 GMT
In interviews in the early 80s, when talking about the band's longevity and the future, Francis would occasionally suggest that he thought the world would blow itself up anyway in 10-20 years. Something along those lines from memory.
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Post by gav on Jun 5, 2019 13:35:36 GMT
Am i the only one who likes "Run To Mummy" then?! I get that it's a bit lightweight, naff title, and the lyrics are a bit zany in the way only Andy Bown could write, but i dunno, i just like it.
About half of this album i'm not keen on. Can't stand the production on "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going", or more, the effects. FAR too much reverb and echo and delay. Quo music doesn't need that kind of ambience IMO. It needs dense, loud guitars, and to me, these 2 sound like they're missing a layer ot two of guitars. There's just too much air floating around with all that echo. The drums on C&G in particular sound awful. Loved the live version of OTE from '82 though. Much more together. One of Alan's last great songs. If not THE last one.
"Name Of The Game" is just pointless fluff. And Lies goes on a bit, but i like the production on it. Nice and crisp.
The rest of the album is great. Of course the finale guitar solo on "Rock N Roll" is superb. So simple, yet one of Rossi's true masterpieces.
Not a bad album. Not classic. A transition album to the crap that came after. Something a bit cold about it all in all. It has more or less none of the earthiness and rootsy feel of their 70's output. They were transitioning into a pop band. The lyrics were becoming a bit tired and weary as they themselves were. The drugs were taking their toll i think. There was less joy and humour in the music. I dunno, just an impression i got. Rossi in particular around this time from 1978 onwards with his constant chewing and cockiness, tossing his hair every 2 seconds! Just gave an impression that drugs were taking hold there was less genuine fun being had. Could be wrong!!
This album sounds a bit like all of that. Very efficient. Very trying to move away from the very things that made them succesful. Getting a bit careerist. Maybe that was just Rossi. Maybe it was just the pressures of being in a huge rock band in general? I think they had moved away from the more spontaneous vibe of the early to mid-70's forever by this album.
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Post by durango95 on Jun 5, 2019 16:41:00 GMT
An album released in a rather good period of my own life.
Nowhere near as good as WYW,but a decent one from my then still favourite band.
It got two 10/10 songs, The Wild Ones and Coming And Going... the latter one more loved the older I gets.
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Post by Victor on Jun 5, 2019 19:44:31 GMT
An album released in a rather good period of my own life.
Nowhere near as good as WYW,but a decent one from my then still favourite band.
It got two 10/10 songs, The Wild Ones and Coming And Going... the latter one more loved the older I gets.
Yea, I seem to love it more and more too as I get older...I've always loved it but it seems to be getting better and better
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Post by Victor on Jun 6, 2019 6:11:32 GMT
By the way, just a side note: The next album scheduled for July will be...Piledriver
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