viza
Rocker Rollin'
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Post by viza on Jun 6, 2019 6:51:23 GMT
Can't stand the production on "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going", or more, the effects. FAR too much reverb and echo and delay. Quo music doesn't need that kind of ambience IMO. It needs dense, loud guitars, and to me, these 2 sound like they're missing a layer ot two of guitars. There's just too much air floating around with all that echo. The drums on C&G in particular sound awful. Loved the live version of OTE from '82 though. Much more together. One of Alan's last great songs. If not THE last one. "Name Of The Game" is just pointless fluff. And Lies goes on a bit, but i like the production on it. Nice and crisp. This is exactly my view of the production of this album. Maybe the absence of Parfitt on the sessions affected the sound and they were trying to save it with some effects. If so it didn't work. WYP works great as a single, Wild Ones is the best track. Can't understand NOTG, it does not hold together, no flow at all. C&G is OK but a little bit to monotonic and a little bit unfinished. The keyboard part of R&R is crap, they coosed a sound that's to slow so it sounds off time when he is playing. Both WYW and NTL is better albums I think.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 6, 2019 8:55:51 GMT
Can't stand the production on "Over The Edge" and "Coming And Going", or more, the effects. FAR too much reverb and echo and delay. Quo music doesn't need that kind of ambience IMO. It needs dense, loud guitars, and to me, these 2 sound like they're missing a layer ot two of guitars. There's just too much air floating around with all that echo. The drums on C&G in particular sound awful. Loved the live version of OTE from '82 though. Much more together. One of Alan's last great songs. If not THE last one. "Name Of The Game" is just pointless fluff. And Lies goes on a bit, but i like the production on it. Nice and crisp. This is exactly my view of the production of this album. Maybe the absence of Parfitt on the sessions affected the sound and they were trying to save it with some effects. If so it didn't work. WYP works great as a single, Wild Ones is the best track. Can't understand NOTG, it does not hold together, no flow at all. C&G is OK but a little bit to monotonic and a little bit unfinished. The keyboard part of R&R is crap, they coosed a sound that's to slow so it sounds off time when he is playing. Both WYW and NTL is better albums I think. Rick was involved in the sessions. He had a week out due to the cigar incident at which point the band just concentrated on overdubs until he and the band were ready to continue tracking again rather than overdubs. Though only a week, it had been a significant set back as studio time was at a premium. Rick's games room/studio had been used also for overdubs after the sessions in Dublin. Incidentally, 'AB Blues', 'Carol' and 'Something bout You baby' were recorded in Rick's studio.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 6, 2019 11:33:14 GMT
This has always been my favourite post Live! album, edging it from Whatever You Want thanks to the execrable Come Rock With Me / Rockin' On. I really thought they had a version of the Quo sound for the '80s, but it turned out to be just the one album. I still don't get the regard for Never Too Late, to me it sounds like the leftovers patched up into a Rossi dominated album that sounds far less like a band product than Just Supposin' does. I like all the songs on Just Supposin' - even the Rossi / Frost numbers work. Production wise they could have been a bit more restrained on some of the backing vocals & they should have unplugged Andy when recording Rock 'N' Roll! I have to quote Dennis on this one as it saves me writing it out again!
Except I forgive Andy for Rock n Roll because there is something about the fairground keyboards that works there. I found people who barely even heard of Quo liked Rock n Roll. I think it's partly the lyrics, partly the way Francis sings it. It sings about rock and roll without actually being a rock n roll song - about as Quo-crazy as you can get.
This remains one of my favourite Quo albums. I don't think there's a track on it I don't like. Even Run To Mummy has a touch of despair (I think I must have known someone like that once ... ) I had the great good luck to hear DDMC and Over the Edge live before I ever heard the album. Many people have said Over the Edge is better live - it really lights up live. I had it on my brain for weeks after hearing it. DDMC is quite unusual, it's like a pop drama song, it would sound great on the radio. Lies is a good song that cracks on, but the strange thing about Lies is that when I hear it it's never as good as I think it's going to be. The backing vocals don't do it any favours either. The Wild Ones isn't much like a Quo song but it's enjoyable and I love the lyrics. I love Name of the Game partly because it's so funny ... "I did not even shoot the Deputy" "Here comes the Judge outside a bottle of gin ..." I can imagine Bart Simpson doing this one. Proposin was an instant-buy single for me and probably got me back into Status Quo after a long lapse, and Comin and Goin is not so much a song as a riff, and a long one too, which is fine by me.
There are a few things in this thread I never heard of - how Rick's accident might have affected the production and track choices [He had the Parfitt Luck, he could've burned the place down.], and I knew they recorded all the tracks for two albums at once, but not why. I don't get on with NTL, to me it's a damp squib, listening to Mountain Lady, in particular, how much that would have benefited from being sung by Alan and having all that layered production removed ... it's had the life squeezed out of it by layers of overdubbing and something.
To me the Holy Trinity is that guitar there, that one in the middle, and that bass guitar over there :-)
Long live Just Supposin!
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Post by charles on Jun 8, 2019 10:15:05 GMT
Finally found some time to revisit the Just Supposin' album. PLayed it twice and it didn't disappoint: overall it is a real Quo album. When I bought JS so many years ago, I never noticed John's quality drumming, whereas now it immediately stands out. WYP is hard to ignore, albeit a bit lightweight (and the lyrics make my nose run: was this Francis' way of telling us about the shower incident, or did that come later?) Run to Mummy is great: so much energy and Al's on fire too. Don't Drive my Car has idiot lyrics, but musically I dig it, and I love the solo. Then comes the worst song of the album, I truly hate Lies: it makes my blood boil. It is probably the first Quo song (chronologically) that is utter rubbish, and just don't get me started on the smurf choir.
But from track 5 onwards this albums becomes a gem: Over the Edge is sheer brilliance, and The Wild Ones even more so: both share a sense of menace, something dark; it might have been the excellent keys by Andy (up until the break when the fairground piano is heard for the first time), it might have been Francis' London accent, the band completely in sync, I don't know. Name of the Game: two words: John Coughlan, what a drummer. Coming and Going is of course the piece the résistance: epic and the harmonica, it won't get better than this for this Quo fan. The album concludes with the beautiful Rock 'n Roll: the smurfs are back, the fairground piano is back, and still this is a wonderful song. (Come on, John Eden, you know what to do with RnR!)
In short, this was the penultimate must-have Quo album, only Never Too Late to go.
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Post by piledriver62 on Jun 8, 2019 10:42:02 GMT
Liked it when it came out but didn't love it, still feel the same even now. DDMC/coming and going/over the edge the rest are just fillers that get skipped. A million miles away from what they once where capable of.
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Post by blagult on Jun 9, 2019 22:33:22 GMT
Yeah...from earth to Mars...lol. I just need to understand something here. All the macho remarks on here regarding the first FF reunion and the Quo ended In 76 comments. All I see now is comments about the Trilogy of 79-81. Sorry but these 2 periods of the FF were distinctly miles and miles apart. The latter not much different to the likes of what came after with what some call Quo lite. EG the HT album etc...there is so much bullshit contradiction here IMHO and it’s just an opinion.
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Post by Victor on Jun 10, 2019 4:56:20 GMT
Yeah...from earth to Mars...lol. I just need to understand something here. All the macho remarks on here regarding the first FF reunion and the Quo ended In 76 comments. All I see now is comments about the Trilogy of 79-81. Sorry but these 2 periods of the FF were distinctly miles and miles apart. The latter not much different to the likes of what came after with what some call Quo lite. EG the HT album etc...there is so much bullshit contradiction here IMHO and it’s just an opinion. I don't think any of those who feel that Quo ended in 76 has made one single comment about 79 to 81 being a holy trinity. Those who talked about a holy trinity are fans that love the 79-81 period as well including me. Also, 79-81 not much different from what came after ? Sorry, maybe in your eyes, but IMHO what came after is miles apart from 79-81.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 10, 2019 10:11:58 GMT
Finally found some time to revisit the Just Supposin' album. PLayed it twice and it didn't disappoint: overall it is a real Quo album. When I bought JS so many years ago, I never noticed John's quality drumming, whereas now it immediately stands out. WYP is hard to ignore, albeit a bit lightweight (and the lyrics make my nose run: was this Francis' way of telling us about the shower incident, or did that come later? ...
Francis admitted in an interview just recently that the runny nosin was about taking cocaine. I never heard that before. The nose falling out was a long time afterwards. I can't remember when he stopped,but he got busted for leaving a packet in his car well after this time, and well before he actually stopped IIRR.
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gerh
Grizzled Rocker Rollin'
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Favourite Quo Album: 'Hello' [and 'Quo Live']
Favourite other bands.: Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Richard Thompson, Horslips, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest etc etc. [ANYONE but Kiss!]
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Post by gerh on Jun 10, 2019 17:32:46 GMT
Liked it when it came out but didn't love it, still feel the same even now... A million miles away from what they once where capable of. Yep I'd go along with that.
I always preferred NTL, I just found that I played it a LOT more at the time. Having said that tho', JS has [Imho] the best song across both albums in 'The Wild Ones' - it's near the top of my all-time Quo classics for sure. I was the only Quo-nut in my school and I got mercilessly teased about it - when WYP came out as the 1st single all I kept hearing was 'the guitar solo sounds like Smokie', have to admit tho', I thought it did too! I never liked DDMC - still don't; guitar solos are great in it though. Didn't get 'Lies' either - I'd actually prefer RTM! Over the Edge = meh, just a plodding 'almost-rocker' nuthin' special. NOTG - not to worse by any means [that was to come, and duly did [coincidentally?] once JC departed]
Coming and Going could have been a latter day 45k times but it just goes on a ramble... whereas 45K takes us on a wonderful journey! Rock and Roll - like DDMC has some great guitar once the schmaltz is left behind. AB Blues - a really pleasant surprise at the time and now too, unfortunately JC's last co-write credit [afaik!]
Lastly, I love the sleeve [and NTL too!] love the SQ type-face/font/logo [don't know what the proper word is there!!] on JS and NTL too.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Jun 10, 2019 20:08:45 GMT
Best Quo album.
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Post by musiktruhe on Jun 10, 2019 21:35:15 GMT
For me the worst of all the FF albums.
Not one song is really a fave of mine.
I prefer Never Too Late, with songs like Take Me Away, Long Ago, Carol.....
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viza
Rocker Rollin'
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Post by viza on Jun 10, 2019 22:01:09 GMT
Many of You seem to favor AB Blues. I don't see any special with that song even though it's fun to hear Partitt go solo. Of the instrumental B-side jamsongs written by the entire band I prefer Good Thinking. Sorry for going a little bit of topic as it's a non album track.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 10, 2019 22:53:06 GMT
Many of You seem to favor AB Blues. I don't see any special with that song even though it's fun to hear Partitt go solo. Of the instrumental B-side jamsongs written by the entire band I prefer Good Thinking. Sorry for going a little bit of topic as it's a non album track. The squeak of the tape rollin' into action as John Eden quickly realised that the moment (AB Blues) was worth preserving says it all, for me. How often do we get to hear a spontaneous Quo jam on record? Admittedly there were a few overdubs but the nature of the track is a joy to behold. Personally love how the track builds and it could have so easily ground to a halt. All band members getting a credit was a clever move, probably down to John E, at a time when the band members were each wanting their slice of the cake. The track had been recorded in Rick's games room studio. Incidentally this was also where Graham Bonnet recorded his 'Line Up' album which had the brilliant 'Night Games' single. Rossi and John Eden started out as co-producers but ultimately it was all handed over to John E to get the album completed. Check out 'Anthony Boy' from that album and you will hear Rick in all his heavy duty barre chord glory!
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Post by charles on Jun 13, 2019 14:42:44 GMT
While reviewing this album it struck me I hadn't got a real copy of JS, the only one still missing from the FF. Today I thought I would reward myself with some cds so I bought Ghost: Meliora + Popestar; Grand Funk Railroad: Live the 1971 Tour; Rival Sons: Feral Roots; Joe Bonamassa: The Ballad of John Henry and upon leaving flicked through the Status Quo albums. Found an extended Just Supposin' for 10 euro.
I think Francis should really thank people like 4th Chord (and Snakelady) for all their hard work: over the last years I've been buying Quo albums because of the discussions we have on here.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 13, 2019 18:22:25 GMT
By the way, just a side note: The next album scheduled for July will be...Piledriver This is not good news. At this rate, every single album of the month 2020 will be a total stinker
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