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Post by 4th Chord on Jun 2, 2019 22:20:42 GMT
Getting in early......Admin privileges and all that! A record I always enjoyed, and one of my first Quo albums too. Bought it through the scam that was Britannia Music Club, remember them? Get 3 records for £1 then you had to buy a set number of overpriced 'full price' albums and they'd send you a crappy 'album of the month' which you had to return by a set date if you didn't want it or you'd be charged. They're probably still taking money out my account to this day. Anyway, how many people saw the song title 'Rock 'N' Roll' and hurriedly put it on the turntable, awaiting some heavy, hard rocking Led Zep inspired track? Show of hands? A pleasant enough wee tune I suppose. Other standouts are some Quo 'deep cuts' - The Wild Ones, Coming and Going, Over the Edge. Three Quo tracks I still love to hear. WYP and Lies, decent enough. Still enjoyable, and I do like to crank up Lies. Run to Mummy. FFS Francis.... On to the track that splits opinions - Don't Drive my Car. I love it. A wee change from the norm, love the way it chugs along, then the build into the guitar solo about 2 mins in. Not a classic, but pretty, pretty good. Anything else? Oh yes, crap cover. Who remembers what the message inscribed into the runoff said? I remember that Britannia Music Club! (seemed like a good idea at first!)...and I remember the messages inscribed on the run-out grooves on the LP. Side 1 IT'S WHAT YOUR RIGHT ARMS FOR
Side 2 THE PRODUCERS!John Eden said at one time that he and the band worked more on The Wild Ones and Name Of The Game than other tracks on the album. He also seemed pleased with how Don't Drive My Car turned out, saying how the band gave it their all and he captured it essentially live (few overdubs) and a special moment when the track made it to tape. It was a troubled start to the new decade for the band in different ways. Rick's family tragedy of course and with Bob Y no longer involved with the band, bar going to Dublin to record the harp on Coming And Going. I was relieved that Quo were keeping up with the music scene with JS and not being the dinosaurs of rock. They had found a new twist on their sound and it seemed right for the early 80s without losing touch with their past albums. The radio stations started to flip the single and play 'Lies' more frequently than DDMC. The band recorded AB Blues at Rick's studio and I became addicted to that track on the b side to WYP. Correct! You win a years FREE forum access! Congratulations. Of course, AB Blues was the b side to WYP! One of the first singles I bought.
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Jun 3, 2019 7:59:00 GMT
Hmmm. Not so sure about this Holy Trinity lark. I havent really played this album in decades, nor felt the need to. I have just given it a quick play through , but didn't reach the end of many of the tracks. Over The Edge, The Wild Ones and Coming and Going were, back in the day,my favourites and I think that still stands true today. I do like JCQ version of C and G live and think they missed a trick not playing that in the set, seems DDMC was the one that made it and once in, has stayed and been revisited over the years, outstaying it's welcome (for me) like many others. Would love to hear, for a laugh, Rossi try and sing Run to Mummy live. I bet he wouldn't be able to get the words out fast enough, especially in the Jeff drumming years!
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 3, 2019 8:51:23 GMT
I remember that Britannia Music Club! (seemed like a good idea at first!)...and I remember the messages inscribed on the run-out grooves on the LP. Side 1 IT'S WHAT YOUR RIGHT ARMS FOR
Side 2 THE PRODUCERS!John Eden said at one time that he and the band worked more on The Wild Ones and Name Of The Game than other tracks on the album. He also seemed pleased with how Don't Drive My Car turned out, saying how the band gave it their all and he captured it essentially live (few overdubs) and a special moment when the track made it to tape. It was a troubled start to the new decade for the band in different ways. Rick's family tragedy of course and with Bob Y no longer involved with the band, bar going to Dublin to record the harp on Coming And Going. I was relieved that Quo were keeping up with the music scene with JS and not being the dinosaurs of rock. They had found a new twist on their sound and it seemed right for the early 80s without losing touch with their past albums. The radio stations started to flip the single and play 'Lies' more frequently than DDMC. The band recorded AB Blues at Rick's studio and I became addicted to that track on the b side to WYP. Correct! You win a years FREE forum access! Congratulations. Of course, AB Blues was the b side to WYP! One of the first singles I bought. Damn it!...I thought the prize would be the speedboat! (Here's what you could have won etc!)
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Post by dennis on Jun 3, 2019 10:45:02 GMT
This has always been my favourite post Live! album, edging it from Whatever You Want thanks to the execrable Come Rock With Me / Rockin' On. I really thought they had a version of the Quo sound for the '80s, but it turned out to be just the one album. I still don't get the regard for Never Too Late, to me it sounds like the leftovers patched up into a Rossi dominated album that sounds far less like a band product than Just Supposin' does. I like all the songs on Just Supposin' - even the Rossi / Frost numbers work. Production wise they could have been a bit more restrained on some of the backing vocals & they should have unplugged Andy when recording Rock 'N' Roll!
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Jun 3, 2019 20:50:50 GMT
Have now given it a proper listen. Will stick with my fave 3 . Coming and Going being my fave track by far. Felt like it should be last track in the epic proportions, if it had a bit more variation to it. Still class though.Run to Money and Name of the Game least favourite, although never all that keen on What Your Proposin and Lies. I think this may have been the start of the end for me- put off by weak singles. Anyway banged it on the telly , which also meant that the album cover was on tv for the duration. I think I rank the cover along with If You Can't Stand the Heat as one of their worst. Could never understand why they suddenly started going anti nuclear message, when they were never a political or social message sort of band lyrically.
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Post by americanquo on Jun 4, 2019 3:54:30 GMT
As the new guy I agree with the Holy Trinity stuff. Love this album except Run to Mummy, which I really want to like but just can't seem to get there.
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Post by blagult on Jun 4, 2019 9:32:37 GMT
Holy Trinity !!! Where did that come from. Certainly didn’t feel Like it at the time. What it felt like was a crest of a wave up to BFY then massive disappointment for the next 2, WYW to NTL felt like an improvement but no where near back to the mid 70’s. Certainly not a Holy Trinity- whatever that is supposed to mean. I’ll maybe forgive those who got into the band with these 3 albums. I can understand it from that perspective but certainly not for those who got into them earlier.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jun 4, 2019 10:20:46 GMT
As far as I know, the plan from the very outset had been to record enough material in Dublin for 2 albums. Contractual reasons mainly. Mixed feelings within the band about this and not everyone being keen on the idea. Francis possibly had more material to bring to the table at this point in time and it made sense to him to use studio time in this way.
They had a certain amount of studio time to do this. No specific album names had been decided upon at this time and if the tracking/recording stage had gone to plan then it is possible that the JS and NTL albums could have been quite different in terms of tracks and running orders.
The main set back had been that Rick had managed to burn his fingers with a cigar. He had been on a night out with Lizzy's Scott Gorham. Back in his room and and he fell asleep with the cigar still in his hand. Ended up with burns and needing medical help.
This meant that the band had to stop laying down further tracks at this point and had no choice but to continue without Rick and just concentrate on doing overdubs on the basic tracks they had already put to tape. With time constraints this is how certain tracks became the ones that became the JS album. The tracks had just advanced more through these circumstances. Rick later recovered to continue working on further tracks.
With Francis taking on the vocal duties on the tracks on NTL it was destined to sound 'different' to JS in some respects. Overdubs continued later at Rossi's studio and at Rick's studio. 'Riverside' was essentially Rossi/Frost's baby and made it on to the NTL album quite late in the day.
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Post by dennis on Jun 4, 2019 10:23:25 GMT
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Post by tommy on Jun 4, 2019 10:24:46 GMT
I am probably a bit biased as this was my first ever Quo album, but it remains one of my favourites.
I like all the songs with the exception of DDMC and even that I don’t mind.
I think the old side 2 of the vinyl album was particularly strong and showed a nice variation with Rock N Roll at the end - the guitar solo out-tro is a beauty. Wild Ones is a favourite album track.
I do think the sound/production of this album is very good - I agree I’m not sure how NTL sounds so poor in comparison.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 4, 2019 11:51:25 GMT
Not on the original album of course but had it on the b side of Lies, I do quite like a wee bit of AB Blues cranked up! Hadn't been into Quo long when I got the single. I assumed there must be loads of stuff like AB Blues. Turned out there was very little! Sometimes think Quo thought they'd be short changing fans for recording something they'd written in 5 minutes. But it's not asive 4500x was a disaster...
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 4, 2019 13:33:02 GMT
How about this one from Bill Shankly? ') At a football club, there’s a holy trinity: the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques
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Post by Victor on Jun 4, 2019 15:20:57 GMT
Holy Trinity !!! Where did that come from. Certainly didn’t feel Like it at the time. What it felt like was a crest of a wave up to BFY then massive disappointment for the next 2, WYW to NTL felt like an improvement but no where near back to the mid 70’s. Certainly not a Holy Trinity- whatever that is supposed to mean. I’ll maybe forgive those who got into the band with these 3 albums. I can understand it from that perspective but certainly not for those who got into them earlier. Lol, I am one of those fans that got into them before the "holy trinity" and do call it that and quite frankly I could give a rat's ass whether you can forgive me for that or not The reason I do consider it like that is simply cos I consider those three abums to be the second and last great period of Quo after the first great period (MKGS-BFY). I love those three albums. Never compared them nor said they were as good as their first great period, but they certainly are a hell of a lot better for me then RAOTW/IYCSTH and everything that came after NTL.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jun 4, 2019 15:37:01 GMT
Never a huge fan of this album. It’s a very decent album but for me is pretty weak in places. I do think that part of the reason I was never keen it was a clear road marker for where they were going.
Firstly any Quo album without a decent length song is poorerin my opinion.
It starts so well. What your proposing is a great pop rock single. That for some reason always reminded me of Here comes the sun. No idea why.
The quality dips dramatically after that. RTM. Quo does Chas n Dave but not very well. DDMC a plodding unmemorable song that has a top drawer solo and outro. Lies a song that is ok but I’m sure sounds worse as a result of them recording poorer sounding songs if this type for years. The backing vocals as annoying as anything on NTL. OTE basic song. Better live than on album.
After Side One it ranks alongside The Heat and Rocking as the worst rock albums with John on.
Side two is something different however. A far superior offering. Has some great tunes and a little bit different from the band.
The Wild Ones in many ways the sister track to The Mountain Lady. A great melodic rock song. Like they haven’t recorded in donkies. Name of the game has poor keyboards and weak production. Suffers from BTL like backing vocals.
It’s a theme of both this and NTL. Both have production that varies through the album but the very good to the very tinny.
I have however always loved Coming n Going. It’s a bit different and shows where the band could have gone if they had chosen to.
I really like Rock n Roll. Don’t know why. Especially the lyrics. They’re simple but effective. The solo is great.
An album that is a bit of a game of two halves. A solid effort. As they tried to find a new direction. Sadly that turned out to be down the dust pipe.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 4, 2019 15:57:04 GMT
As always, we all see things differently. For me there's far more quality here than with WYW. By any objective measure there's more quality than NTL, but I always preferred NTL (as hard to explain as may be)
Because I'm less keen on WYW compared to JS and NTL, I don't see this as part of a holy trinity, but but I do see them fit as a trio of albums. From boogie rock to commercial heavy rock...
Overrated? I don't see that. More the case that this trio of albums very much has its fans amongst the hard-core, and always has
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