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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 19:31:55 GMT
I always class Tony Blair as Britain's Bill Clinton, says it all really...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 19:37:36 GMT
I always class Tony Blair as Britain's Bill Clinton, says it all really... Cherie or Monica?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 19:45:53 GMT
I always class Tony Blair as Britain's Bill Clinton, says it all really... Cherie or Monica? What a choice!
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Post by charles on Jun 30, 2018 21:38:32 GMT
Most europeans don't understand / are not bothered with the difference between British or English. I'm sure that will annoy The Scots greatly, but it's just what it is. When British or American bands come to Belgium they Always address the audience in French (when they are not properly briefed.) Some Flemish may take offence, but they are mostly a bit narrow minded. It's not a big deal to most of us, blame it on ignorance if you have to.
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Post by vivfromcov on Jun 30, 2018 22:46:01 GMT
English AND British. Nothing wrong in feeling allegiance to the country or region of your birth i.e. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Cornwall, Yorkshire, Wessex, Mercia etc. AND also be British.
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Post by lemmystoenail on Jul 1, 2018 6:53:20 GMT
While on holidays in the usa people always say That i have a british accent , Wtf is that !! 😲 No such thing
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Post by dennis on Jul 1, 2018 7:12:18 GMT
Well I was made in Wales, born in Mercia, live in Wessex, but I'm English ... & British ... & European - it's all just man-made bollocks. So many Kingdoms/Countries have been & gone, & will probably come & go in the future. One day people will realise we all come from & live in the same place & the lines drawn on a map are just temporary.
I'll just light a joss stick
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Post by lemmystoenail on Jul 1, 2018 7:15:34 GMT
Well I was made in Wales, born in Mercia, live in Wessex, but I'm English ... & British ... & European - it's all just man-made bollocks. So many Kingdoms/Countries have been & gone, & will probably come & go in the future. One day people will realise we all come from & live in the same place & the lines drawn on a map are just temporary. I'll just light a joss stick But most of all Den ...... you are a blue !! 😀
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 1, 2018 7:18:30 GMT
I’m from the Panto North. As how can I be from the North when there’s hundreds of miles of country above me.
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Post by dennis on Jul 1, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
Well I was made in Wales, born in Mercia, live in Wessex, but I'm English ... & British ... & European - it's all just man-made bollocks. So many Kingdoms/Countries have been & gone, & will probably come & go in the future. One day people will realise we all come from & live in the same place & the lines drawn on a map are just temporary. I'll just light a joss stick But most of all Den ...... you are a blue !! 😀 Aye, we all have our cross to bear! I just pity those poor souls that suffer in the wilderness through accident of birth
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Post by kursaal75 on Jul 1, 2018 7:37:28 GMT
As Victor mentioned above, I also see Quo as an English band, and I class bands like Big Country & Simple Minds as Scottish and Sterophonics & Manic Street Preachers as Welsh bands. I was asked once in a poll in Southend, if I would class myself English or British first, I replied with I'm Essex first!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 8:33:12 GMT
They're English. Nobody is "British". "Britain" is an island comprising three countries - Scotland, England & Wales. As you can be born in only ONE of those countries, you are either Scottish, English, or Welsh. "Britishness" is as fake as a Tory promise. Exactly. The country you are born in determines your nationality. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 8:34:20 GMT
He was born in Lancashire, to a Scottish father and an Irish mother. And Tony Blair... he must be Scottish. 😋 There is no question...!
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Post by Gaz on Jul 1, 2018 10:31:47 GMT
From an Aussie point of view, Quo are a Pommie band same as The Who, Beatles, and Deep Purple. Pommies are from England. Scottish bands we know of are the great Simple Minds, which toured here a few times, and the not so great Bay City Rollers.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 1, 2018 10:35:11 GMT
British certainly is a thing. Fish n chips is not English or Scottish, it's a very British cultural thing. As is music. Manic Street Preachers could be from any part of Britain, that they are Welsh puts nobody off Real ale, queing, good manners. British. Half the people of Scotland also regard themselves as British for these sort of reasons. Not fake....perfectily understandable. Much of the resentment felt by many Welsh, Scots and Irish towards "England" really stems from resentment agains the English (London dominated) upper and political classes. This is perhaps even more widely felt in northern england - an observation often lost on the nationalists. We really are very muddled. "TEAM GB" at the Olympics includes Northern Ireland, so should be Team UK. We still have people waiving the British flag when England play. England has no song, we are expected to sing god save the queen - the divisive british national anthem. Then our England football fans (nearly all from London) sing british songs like rule britannia, and anti-irish songs. My Dad's Irish, my grandparents Welsh....I guess I just feel like I'm of these islands. But yes I agree with Dennis, I always thought of Quo as a london band, not an english one. Such a shame (and can't be fixed) that we can't come together as a people and unite. Most countries on the planet can and do when it's the world cup. I think it goes a long way to explaining how these islands are the home of football, has the best league in the world but we never win anything Having moved from Merseyside to the midlands some years back, I am stunned at the support and enthusiasm for England here. Flags in windows (the wrong one, often, but hey nevermind), crowded pubs for the match. I once saw somebody cheer in a Liverpool pub when England scored. Everybody looked at this person in surprise. It wasn't even a liverpool player that scored. Few would have watched anyway if no redmen were playing. "Steady on lad, it's only ******* England". It all quietened down, and the normality of ambivalence returned
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