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Post by dennis on Jul 2, 2018 23:32:16 GMT
True, a person is 'from' the country of their birth. Their 'nationality' will derive from there and also from their parents but citizenship will depend on what the governing state is called. I can understand and respect your opinion to not feel British, but that does not make being British fake. Anyway, just to be contrary, Quo are most definitely an English band from Britain!!! Ahhh... The "governing state" is actually the UK (which is a political construct, not a country). "Britain" is just the geographical name for an island...it's not a country either, which is why it has no flag. These are the facts. Me not being "British" isn't an opinion - it's because I'm not. This discussion has been done on this board before - no point in re-hashing it. If you choose to say that you're "British", that's entirely up to you. It doesn't affect me. I'm not going to pour scorn on you for feeling that way. Many do. To me - for the reasons stated - it's fake. That ain't changing any time soon. Flag of Great Britain from 1606 to 1801 - so less than two hours!
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Post by curiousgirl on Jul 3, 2018 9:01:59 GMT
I'm confused. I thought the Union Jack was still the flag representing the UK. Is it not any more??
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Post by kiwipom on Jul 3, 2018 9:37:52 GMT
Ahem…..
The United Kingdom The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (to give its full name) refers to the political union between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The UK is a sovereign state, but the nations that make it up are also countries in their own right. From 1801 to 1922 the UK also included all of Ireland. The Channel Islands and Isle of Man are not part of the UK, but are Crown Dependencies.
Great Britain Great Britain is the official collective name of England, Scotland and Wales and their associated islands. It does not include Northern Ireland and therefore should never be used interchangeably with ‘UK’ – something you see all too often.
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Post by freewilly on Jul 3, 2018 15:21:50 GMT
I see them as a band from the North Side of Dublin tbh...
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Post by dennis on Jul 3, 2018 21:36:41 GMT
Flag of Great Britain from 1606 to 1801 - so less than two hours! I never said it didn't have a flag in its past. That was a symbolic image to placate King James' ego. I said it has no flag. Which it doesn't. That's because it isn't a country. Aye, the flag predates the Act of Union by about a century. I prefer it to the current version which looks a bit cluttered to me. You have to go to Williamsburg, Virginia to see it now as it was the British flag at the time of the War of Independence.
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Post by dontthinkitmatters on Jul 3, 2018 22:09:39 GMT
Used to sound a bit cockernee to me so none of the above
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Post by granny on Jul 4, 2018 8:27:37 GMT
Agree, we can't. Although Wales doesn't have it's own league, and we don't split up for the Olympics. Wales has its own league. Funny old game, Welsh football. Hednesford Town FC may have a long and proud history but it was not until January 1990 that the club’s fortunes turned for the better. The 1989/90 season had been a long hard struggle and, at the beginning of the year, the club were in a deep relegation battle and with gates below 300, relegation from The Beazer Homes Midland Division looked a distinct possibility. In an effort to avoid relegation the club appointed former goalkeeper, John Baldwin, as manager and he gradually began to turn the club around and relegation was avoided. The following season the team finished third and then gained promotion to the Beazer Homes League Premier Division, after finishing the 91/92 season as runners-up to Solihull Borough. The club, also in the 91/92 season, became the first English football team to play at The Welsh National Stadium losing 1-0 to Cardiff City, in the final of the Welsh Cup.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 4, 2018 8:49:12 GMT
If Im really honest I see borders and Nationalism as a construct of the ruling elites. Designed to set man against man.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 4, 2018 9:23:46 GMT
If Im really honest I see borders and Nationalism as a construct of the ruling elites. Designed to set man against man. I wonder how people would react if Germany, France & Spain formed a political union (against the will and the wishes of the French and the Spanish, and under threat of armed invasion) and decided to call that union...oh, I don't know - let's say they called it "Susan". Imagine that?.... "Hi, my name is Enrico and I'm from Argentina. Where are you from?" "Hello, Enrico. Nice to meet you. My name is Jacques and I'm from Susan". Not as silly as it sounds. It's exactly the same as the "UK". Britishness is fake. I appreciate your point but its all fake. People who live on a border are no different from the people half a mile away on the other side. Just barriers of the mind. The political institutions are completely different to your sense of belonging. I feel we in the North East have more in common with the Scots than those south of Leeds.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 4, 2018 9:59:55 GMT
I appreciate your point but its all fake. People who live on a border are no different from the people half a mile away on the other side. Just barriers of the mind. The political institutions are completely different to your sense of belonging. I feel we in the North East have more in common with the Scots than those south of Leeds. I know that. Your point is just as valid. Borders, hatred & war exist at the whim of the super-rich. Like everything else. However you wanting self determination for your country is different as you say from nationalism. You want your countrymen to control your institutions which I understand.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 4, 2018 15:35:27 GMT
Can you be from more than one country? Depends ...."what is a country?".
So many of us have close family ties to the other "countries" of our shared island. Together we are the people of the British Isles, indivisably so in my view. We are family. In other words, the countries are gradually becoming regions. I cheer for Wales, Ireland and sometimes remember I'm supposed to cheer England (my nationalism will emerge if we reach the semis!). I increasingly see England as the region for the south and south east.
If Scotland becomes independant, it's GP's will still be members of the British Medical Association. They will want to remain in union with the other GP's of these islands, of course. There is so much cultural, industrial and family crossover amongst our people (and ever may that continue) that any splitting of the union will result in us splitting into English speaking countries that the rest of the world will find astonishingly similar.
Totally get the opposite view. Just think support for it is too marginal for it to carry the argument.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Jul 4, 2018 19:05:40 GMT
I am English first then British second .
To answer the original question,
That’s how I feel about Quo.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Jul 4, 2018 19:10:14 GMT
I am also a proud Yorkshireman, which comes after being English. Just to clarify😄 🏴
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Post by charles on Jul 4, 2018 19:50:56 GMT
So Yorkshire before or after Britain? (Just to clarify)
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Post by 37 on Jul 26, 2018 18:35:33 GMT
British!
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