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Post by freewilly on Feb 12, 2017 18:01:37 GMT
He said it back in an interview in 1994....POMM, Backwater, JTM, Accident Prone and RAOTW were his favourite Quo tracks....There were a few others but, those were defo mentioned... I think it was just Francis or Rick firing shots at Alan after what Alan said about Francis It might have been the sound though they were complaining about. As we know they all now hate the original mix of the album, again thats where the chasing trends came in. They copied what everyone else was doing and mixed the album to (supposedly) suit everyone. Especially American AOR stations. Makes no sense what Rick or Francis said actually now I think of it. To say he "hated" it and then to say he demanded the video not to be shot without him and that he was very upset the video went ahead without him, doesn't add up.... I know if I hated a song, I'd be delighted I wasn't in the video for it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 22:34:23 GMT
He didn't have a soulless mechanical job though, but he has been ok about letting it turn into one . Do you really think that if the FF was still recording now without having ever split it would be different ? I don't ! People would have got bored with it... just the same endless this endless that ! Ddderddder ! It would have run its course well and truly by 2017. Yes it felt fresh and nostalgic in 13-14 cause it had been god knows how many years since . So if they were had lept going I bet it would feel a bit souless and predictable just the same ! Well I don't even need to prove that as the last 2 FF albums back that up and that was 30 years ago. And now I guess we will get round to its Rossi's fault he has wrote shit songs for the last 30 years... not Quo songs and all that crap. That wasn't my point. I was talking about the vast differences in attitude and being in touch both with the original ethos and secondly more closely in touch with the long standing fans who still jive so closely with that.
If newer rock/blues bands and Quo tribute bands can be inspired by original Quo to replicate them as they were, in the same way as Quo took late 50's grass roots rock and roll from the likes of Chuck Berry et al, plus some of the blues greats of the 60's - and amplified/'Quo'd it up' in the 70's, then doesn't that say a lot about original attitudes towards staples in music that stand the test of time.
Becoming desensitised to the raw spontaneity and integrity of all that at the expense of a show biz parody as part of a money making operation is quite some departure....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 22:42:34 GMT
Yes, money does make the world go round. But I guess for Quo, they don't feel that they had/have enough. I watched some of the Bowie documentary last night - The Last 5 Years. And I didn't know that in 2004, he had a heart attack whilst on tour, aged 57. And after that, he never toured again. And when recording his next album, he did it secret and only worked shorter days than in the past. So he must have had enough money, that this was not a priority for him. And being able to continue both working and enjoy what was left of his life took over. Its a shame that Quo weren't/aren't in a position to do that. Comparing Bowie and Quo both musically and in terms of attitude and approach to music is comparing apples with oranges.
Of course, its true the FF wanted to make it back in the early 70's with the money and success that came with it, but they were hungriest of all for their music and most closely identified with the 'image' that made them successful when they were word of mouth and happy to play any venue, any time. They retained this lack of heads up backsides right through to the EOTR- even though by this time they were 4500X sheets to the winds.
The fact that they didn't become international mega stars in the same way as the likes of Bowie added to their very appeal
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 12, 2017 22:53:07 GMT
Yes, money does make the world go round. But I guess for Quo, they don't feel that they had/have enough. I watched some of the Bowie documentary last night - The Last 5 Years. And I didn't know that in 2004, he had a heart attack whilst on tour, aged 57. And after that, he never toured again. And when recording his next album, he did it secret and only worked shorter days than in the past. So he must have had enough money, that this was not a priority for him. And being able to continue both working and enjoy what was left of his life took over. Its a shame that Quo weren't/aren't in a position to do that. Comparing Bowie and Quo both musically and in terms of attitude and approach to music is comparing apples with oranges.
Of course, its true the FF wanted to make it back in the early 70's with the money and success that came with it, but they were hungriest of all for their music and most closely identified with the 'image' that made them successful when they were word of mouth and happy to play any venue, any time. They retained this lack of heads up backsides right through to the EOTR- even though by this time they were 4500X sheets to the winds.
The fact that they didn't become international mega stars in the same way as the likes of Bowie added to their very appeal
I think you misunderstood my point. I was not comparing music. I was comparing Bowie and Rick's attitude to having a heart attack. Bowie stopped playing immediately. And never toured again. Rick kept going after each one. And each one taking a bigger toll on his health. Who really knows why. Money? Or the love of it? Or both? Whereas Bowie had a different approach to life. And maybe he could also afford to take that approach. That was my point. Of course their music is totally different.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 12, 2017 23:48:13 GMT
MONEY exactly. Stuff Legacies. Money is what makes the world go round. If a tour promoter offers them the gig and they need the cash they will do it ! And have regularly. Like next year if a promoter says ok Francis do you want another 500k in your bank account for a U.K. Tour but only under the QUO name what's the answer going to be. I know what mine would be !! It's called topping up your income ! That's why FW is wasting his energy arguing about legacies and the right thing to do and all that loyalty crap ! They are 4th league now in record sales. It doesn't sustain them. Example in our local HMV the exact same new deluxe issues are still there months later. No one is s interested in them apart from a few rows of old moshpit fanatics still around and pretending the FF are still 1st division. Even bloody Fleetwood Macs rumours sells more copies than all Quo FF stuff put together ! It's all over with my friends. But I'll still look forward to having a couple of beers and going to watch STATUS QUO as long as Francis is around and a promoter is still willing. Truth hurts sometimes! As we know though the band lost millions through the 70s and 80s. Other bands from that era maybe had better management that didn't rip off their artists quite so much. Queen realised their problems BEFORE the heaonsitc days of the late 70s, so they have always had better control of their product. Francis and Rick both said that the money they lost they can't get back. So they have had to work and work to try and beak even again as they got older. That's without counting the thousands they shoved up their noses. It must be said that Quo ... Rick and Francis, anyway, don't seem to be natural household managers. Rick is the one notorious for letting everything he gets run through his fingers, but I believe it wasn't just Rick that lost money and value in poor investments even in their 30s onwards. There are artists who manage to run their careers permanently on one good album that goes on selling; or a couple of good hit singles that keep people coming to their gigs for years afterwards. But I get the feeling that the Quo lads got themselves used to a more extravagant lifestyle which they cannot maintain without high income levels. There's probably a Latin proverb for it somewhere, but I can't think of it offhand.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 13, 2017 0:00:57 GMT
Becoming desensitised to the raw spontaneity and integrity of all that at the expense of a show biz parody as part of a money making operation is quite some departure....
It is strange. It will never cease to puzzle me. Why Francis went from being inspired by R&B-based music (as well as everything else he liked) to apparently alienated from it. Did something spook him? Did he lose the ability or will to produce that rock-based stuff and panic? Was he pissed off when the band's reasonable diversification around ROATW was greeted with hostility in some quarters? Did Alan unintentionally over-pressure him with his ambition to try and break the US again? (There was some hint of this around the time of the break-up.) Was it a bit of all of this made explosive by the drug taking? I get why he wanted to do other stuff, I just don't get why he didn't want to do more of that Quo Sound stuff. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 13, 2017 0:18:53 GMT
Do you really think that if the FF was still recording now without having ever split it would be different ? I don't ! People would have got bored with it... just the same endless this endless that ! Ddderddder ! It would have run its course well and truly by 2017. Yes it felt fresh and nostalgic in 13-14 cause it had been god knows how many years since . So if they were had lept going I bet it would feel a bit souless and predictable just the same ! Well I don't even need to prove that as the last 2 FF albums back that up and that was 30 years ago. I would like to politely demur on aspects of this assertion. While splitting and re-convening can have healthy results for bands (look at Iron Maiden), I have been around long enough to know that I have not got bored with the dderdder (or the many other things that the Ff years produced). This remains the mainstay of the live show, for a start. The FF reunion shows weren't great because of things I hadn't heard for a while, they were great because they were great. To me, they weren't the second coming, they were Quo shows with Alan. I noticed when I thought the Quo Sound had gone, and that was what disappointed me. (It is however well known that various bodies of fans disagree strongly about when the Quo Sound failed. In my case it is the ITAN album, which I liked in many ways, but it was MASSIVE that something was missing. I don't count B2B. I mean, I just don't count it.) It is indeed true though that the last few FF albums (one of which was B2B) were the slide into this decline. Relying on production instead of playing together is the best explanation I can come up with. They didn't have to go into a decline, they just did.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 13, 2017 11:12:01 GMT
ITAN was just a mixed bag. I love Rick on overdose ! Funny but I like the AC album. I think the production is outstanding and Andy keys suit that album perfectly. Again I think Rick on ` The Loving game ` is outstanding. That album works for me on a different e el to the norm !
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Post by freewilly on Feb 13, 2017 16:06:44 GMT
ITAN was just a mixed bag. I love Rick on overdose ! Funny but I like the AC album. I think the production is outstanding and Andy keys suit that album perfectly. Again I think Rick on ` The Loving game ` is outstanding. That album works for me on a different e el to the norm ! Love the Army album, except for Speechless and the album version of Dreamin...Lonely should have been on the album Was a bit disappointed to find out Francis only plays on Calling, In Your Eyes, Red Sky and Save Me and that Pip plays on Army, all the guitar on Invitation....
AC I quite like too, except 3 or 4 tracks...It's not what I want from Quo but, there's some nice moments on a number of tracks. Who Gets To Love is great...One For The Money, while a track of it's time, would have been great if it was given a more rock treatment. Don't Mind If I Do is one of the tracks, post 86, I can hear the FF doing.
Regardless, the band should stop....I've read one or two delusional posts from clueless people, saying the LNOTE tour was a "huge success" and that's why they're continuing it....It wasn't a huge success. Ticket sales in a lot of venues were at an all time low. Worse than the mid 90s. The FF played to 14,500 people here in Dublin. Last October, Francis and his boys played to 4,000 in the same venue....That's not a "huge success"
Sad thing is, like you say, it's all about money now.....The FF were Quo! They are Quo! However, having said that, I wish this particular band went back to that period between 2002-2007. They came up with some good stuff, focused more on the music and felt like a proper band...But, sadly now with Rick gone and Francis having no clue what to do creatively, it's not going to happen
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 17:26:23 GMT
ITAN was just a mixed bag. I love Rick on overdose ! Funny but I like the AC album. I think the production is outstanding and Andy keys suit that album perfectly. Again I think Rick on ` The Loving game ` is outstanding. That album works for me on a different e el to the norm ! Love the Army album, except for Speechless and the album version of Dreamin...Lonely should have been on the album Was a bit disappointed to find out Francis only plays on Calling, In Your Eyes, Red Sky and Save Me and that Pip plays on Army, all the guitar on Invitation....
AC I quite like too, except 3 or 4 tracks...It's not what I want from Quo but, there's some nice moments on a number of tracks. Who Gets To Love is great...One For The Money, while a track of it's time, would have been great if it was given a more rock treatment. Don't Mind If I Do is one of the tracks, post 86, I can hear the FF doing.
Regardless, the band should stop....I've read one or two delusional posts from clueless people, saying the LNOTE tour was a "huge success" and that's why they're continuing it....It wasn't a huge success. Ticket sales in a lot of venues were at an all time low. Worse than the mid 90s. The FF played to 14,500 people here in Dublin. Last October, Francis and his boys played to 4,000 in the same venue....That's not a "huge success"
Sad thing is, like you say, it's all about money now.....The FF were Quo! They are Quo! However, having said that, I wish this particular band went back to that period between 2002-2007. They came up with some good stuff, focused more on the music and felt like a proper band...But, sadly now with Rick gone and Francis having no clue what to do creatively, it's not going to happen
I agree about the 2002 - 2007 period being quite a rich furrow musically and creatively, I'd also include QPQ as well before it fell off the cliff with Bulashit Quo, I wonder how much you put this down to the drum sound of Matt Letley? For me he gave the live sound back the "rock" credentials it had been missing under Shirley Temple and while I quite like Leon's work as a drummer and I do think he's improved, he still has rather an anonymous style.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 13, 2017 19:06:58 GMT
Love the Army album, except for Speechless and the album version of Dreamin...Lonely should have been on the album Was a bit disappointed to find out Francis only plays on Calling, In Your Eyes, Red Sky and Save Me and that Pip plays on Army, all the guitar on Invitation....
AC I quite like too, except 3 or 4 tracks...It's not what I want from Quo but, there's some nice moments on a number of tracks. Who Gets To Love is great...One For The Money, while a track of it's time, would have been great if it was given a more rock treatment. Don't Mind If I Do is one of the tracks, post 86, I can hear the FF doing.
Regardless, the band should stop....I've read one or two delusional posts from clueless people, saying the LNOTE tour was a "huge success" and that's why they're continuing it....It wasn't a huge success. Ticket sales in a lot of venues were at an all time low. Worse than the mid 90s. The FF played to 14,500 people here in Dublin. Last October, Francis and his boys played to 4,000 in the same venue....That's not a "huge success"
Sad thing is, like you say, it's all about money now.....The FF were Quo! They are Quo! However, having said that, I wish this particular band went back to that period between 2002-2007. They came up with some good stuff, focused more on the music and felt like a proper band...But, sadly now with Rick gone and Francis having no clue what to do creatively, it's not going to happen
I agree about the 2002 - 2007 period being quite a rich furrow musically and creatively, I'd also include QPQ as well before it fell off the cliff with Bulashit Quo, I wonder how much you put this down to the drum sound of Matt Letley? For me he gave the live sound back the "rock" credentials it had been missing under Shirley Temple and while I quite like Leon's work as a drummer and I do think he's improved, he still has rather an anonymous style. Oh yeah, I include QPQ too...I just up to 2007 because I got a sense they started declining in their live performances then, as in it became more static, they went through the motions much more and the "routine" began to set in. (Except for Rick. Always worked his bollix off) I was a big fan of Matt. Fantastic drummer. Could possibly be down to him. He's one of the factors but, I think also that Rick started contributing to the song writing on a constant basis again and Francis, for the first time in years, got the bit between his teeth and cared about the band again....People like the Viking dude have me down as this guy in his mid 50s, who hates everything post 86 and won't listen to any other band other than the real Quo.....Fact is I'm 28, I love all sorts of music and I used to love the post 86 band just as much as the FF. They just lost me after 2011. Hello Quo, certain realizations in relation to Francis and seeing the FF live was the things that mainly swung it. As for Leon...He's a good drummer. Not sure if the young image is right for the band. I have certain criticisms of his playing like, I've noticed him speed up in a few clips I've watched(Although, with Caroline, Malone could be to blame for that in the intro) and in the likes of Oh Baby and BEL he never nailed it. He never played the "four on the floor" and it had no edge or power. I'd be interested in hearing his band's new stuff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 20:08:44 GMT
I agree about the 2002 - 2007 period being quite a rich furrow musically and creatively, I'd also include QPQ as well before it fell off the cliff with Bulashit Quo, I wonder how much you put this down to the drum sound of Matt Letley? For me he gave the live sound back the "rock" credentials it had been missing under Shirley Temple and while I quite like Leon's work as a drummer and I do think he's improved, he still has rather an anonymous style. Oh yeah, I include QPQ too...I just up to 2007 because I got a sense they started declining in their live performances then, as in it became more static, they went through the motions much more and the "routine" began to set in. (Except for Rick. Always worked his bollix off) I was a big fan of Matt. Fantastic drummer. Could possibly be down to him. He's one of the factors but, I think also that Rick started contributing to the song writing on a constant basis again and Francis, for the first time in years, got the bit between his teeth and cared about the band again....People like the Viking dude have me down as this guy in his mid 50s, who hates everything post 86 and won't listen to any other band other than the real Quo.....Fact is I'm 28, I love all sorts of music and I used to love the post 86 band just as much as the FF. They just lost me after 2011. Hello Quo, certain realizations in relation to Francis and seeing the FF live was the things that mainly swung it. As for Leon...He's a good drummer. Not sure if the young image is right for the band. I have certain criticisms of his playing like, I've noticed him speed up in a few clips I've watched(Although, with Caroline, Malone could be to blame for that in the intro) and in the likes of Oh Baby and BEL he never nailed it. He never played the "four on the floor" and it had no edge or power. I'd be interested in hearing his band's new stuff Oh to be 28 again (well maybe not in my case) or even in my mid 50s... I always thought that post Live Aid Quo should have kept on Pete Kircher, one of the most underrated live drummers around, it was shame that Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee came as a package, Kenney Jones would have been a much better fit as drummer and he was free at the time having been unceremoniously dumped from The Who by Roger Daltrey for having the "wrong" sound. Another instance of just how difficult it is to replace a legendary drummer with an instantly recognisable sound, replacing JC was just as hard as replacing Moon. It's a shame the closest it came was a mimed performance on Top of the Pops. At least Rhino seems to have got his knees under control since those days.
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Post by hawkquo on Feb 13, 2017 20:21:22 GMT
I guess it should never be forgotten that it was thanks to Rick that the band ended up with Rhino and Jeff Rich, so whilst i share the love of the guy that so many others here do, you could also argue that he was responsible (at least in part) for screwing things up.
It's purely a personal thing and i've got nothing per se against Rhino, i enjoy the tour logs, he might be a bit up himself at times but he's also very self depreciating, but to me he was never the right for Quo, it's a bit churlish from me but his stage manner is all wrong, ie looks like he should be in some 80's pop funk band rather than a hard rocking unit, and the headless bass, again just wrong, needs to be an old fender, nicely lived in and road worn, a proper rock n roll instrument!
we're all entitled to opinions and thats just mine
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 13, 2017 20:26:39 GMT
I guess it should never be forgotten that it was thanks to Rick that the band ended up with Rhino and Jeff Rich, so whilst i share the love of the guy that so many others here do, you could also argue that he was responsible (at least in part) for screwing things up. It's purely a personal thing and i've got nothing per se against Rhino, i enjoy the tour logs, he might be a bit up himself at times but he's also very self depreciating, but to me he was never the right for Quo, it's a bit churlish from me but his stage manner is all wrong, ie looks like he should be in some 80's pop funk band rather than a hard rocking unit, and the headless bass, again just wrong, needs to be an old fender, nicely lived in and road worn, a proper rock n roll instrument!we're all entitled to opinions and thats just mine Just saying
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Post by viking55 on Feb 13, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
So Fw 28 in 2017 yet you make statements about periods of live performance that you wont have a clue about other than on Dodgy Boots or Dodgy YouTube footage. Interesting ! So the year 2000 made you 11 years old. Then you have absolutely no personal insight prior to this milleneam to be able to form sn opinion other than sitting in front of Media footage !! So you really are just a Rick freak then !
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