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Post by viking55 on Feb 11, 2017 10:46:34 GMT
In that I mean was it a united front by the band to stop electrics because they new Rick could not survive much longer playing the electric tour ? I believe Francis sacrificed the electrics because of Ricks health and the inevitable happening because he wanted the band to stay together ! They had said it was only a matter of time before he fell over again. Aquostic was the perfect solution ! Obviously Ricks decision after a bit of contemplating was that it was not for him and he left the band. A decision taken after the LNOTE was selling ! Open for discussion.
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Post by clonesydney on Feb 11, 2017 11:25:48 GMT
No I don't think so, if they wanted to protect Rick they would have come off the road after his 2014 heart attack.
And certainly there's no way they would have been playing completely pointless shows like the one in Turkey which ultimately sealed Rick's fate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 11:58:24 GMT
No I don't think so, if they wanted to protect Rick they would have come off the road after his 2014 heart attack. And certainly there's no way they would have been playing completely pointless shows like the one in Turkey which ultimately sealed Rick's fate. You've got me started ,,, that SHOW in Turkey , they'd stooped to a all time low that night , I don't actually mean the band but the venue/crowd/zero atmosphere . What a sad thought knowing that was the Rockers last ever gig , I'm quite sure he'd have wanted a crowd like what he saw at the reunions .
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 11, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
I think there may have been an element of that in it. But I wonder if that was more the "good reason" element of it. Francis has been wanting to slow down for a long time. Then Rick became increasingly at risk. Both have admitted at times in latter years that the high energy element of the shows is the difficult bit for them. Rick used to deal with it better, because he was strong, but that was before his health started breaking down. As far as we know here in the Fan world, Francis had some health problems years and years ago, and started to clean up because of it, ie he heeded the warnings, Rick didn't until it was too little too late. But the first bout of Acquostick (too many letters I think, but hey better than too few ) was all seated. I think this may have had Rick's situation at the back of it. When they did the gig in Hyde Park and others, without Rick, they played Aquostic standing. I wonder where Rick was in all this. He made his pitch with "I'm a rocker". He undertook the tour. He was supposed to be on the mend. Even after his near-death, he was planning a future in which performances did feature, just not full touring. (And not with Quo.) (The whole I'm a Rocker thing with Rick is a bit spurious. He's lots of things. He did acoustic standards when he was young and still enjoyed that kind of music. But something about the Aquostic didn't gel with him. Perhaps he felt it was too much like a bath chair for him. I get a vibe of that kind. He's done the Rock the Classics thing and enjoyed it, and I'm guessing he saw his future more in that direction. HE must have known, as I think we all know, that the Aquostic direction is not going to be, financially, anything like as successful as the Status Quo direction. So he did not have that incentive to stick with it.) He may also have finally heeded the warning that his time left was limited, and thought that he would spend it doing some other stuff while looking after his health. Only, he fell into a depression [my analysis from what's been said] and didn't look after his health. He was heading for a brick wall, maybe panicking. He was never going to go quietly with a cup of tea aged 90. On the one hand I would like to think that if Rick had been like Mick, they would not have planned LNOTE for this year. But someone posted at least two years ago that they had been told by a Quo insider (crew) that 2017 was planned to be the "last year". My guess is that this was the consequence of his heart attack in 2014, which he had nominally recovered from and was cleaning up, but Francis was also tired and it was time to plan an exit strategy of some kind. So no I don't think "to protect Rick" is the right way to put it. "As a consequence of Rick" might work better. As Clone says, if "protecting Rick" was the 100% purpose, they would have stopped after 2014. But I don't think even Rick wanted that. And he was a grownup (even if only nominally, according to all the females in his family including his mum) so he had to make his own decisions.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 11, 2017 12:28:35 GMT
No I don't think so, if they wanted to protect Rick they would have come off the road after his 2014 heart attack. And certainly there's no way they would have been playing completely pointless shows like the one in Turkey which ultimately sealed Rick's fate. Pointless why, query? Not arguing, just seeking clarification.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 11, 2017 12:35:01 GMT
Francis has wanted to quit for years. It was in no way motivated to protect Rick
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Post by markquo on Feb 11, 2017 14:46:45 GMT
No Cheers
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Post by dontquoteme on Feb 11, 2017 14:59:46 GMT
Nope, sorry. Sceptical side of me says it was just Frame doing what Frame wanted, not for Rick's benefit in particular.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 11, 2017 18:09:18 GMT
Well maybe it will all come out in the wash so to speak but I don't think it is that wide of the mark to be honest !
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Post by freewilly on Feb 11, 2017 18:18:31 GMT
Well maybe it will all come out in the wash so to speak but I don't think it is that wide of the mark to be honest ! Just to get this straight.... You think Francis Rossi, the man who said he never wanted to do the Acoustic albums in the first place, the man who quit the band in 84 and for the last 6 or 7 years has wanted to quit touring because he was sick of it, the man who has admitted all of this and said all this in various interviews, the man who didn't give a shit about Alan his oldest and best friend....done the acoustic albums and done that tour last winter to protect Rick and keep a band together he has split up on numerous occasions? Fucking. Hell.
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Post by 4th Chord on Feb 11, 2017 18:39:21 GMT
Well maybe it will all come out in the wash so to speak but I don't think it is that wide of the mark to be honest ! Just to get this straight.... You think Francis Rossi, the man who said he never wanted to do the Acoustic albums in the first place, the man who quit the band in 84 and for the last 6 or 7 years has wanted to quit touring because he was sick of it, the man who has admitted all of this and said all this in various interviews, the man who didn't give a shit about Alan his oldest and best friend....done the acoustic albums and done that tour last winter to protect Rick and keep a band together he has split up on numerous occasions? Fucking. Hell. You disagree then? ;-) FWIW, I think Rick wanted to keep going. It's all he wanted, the roar of the crowd and a LOUD electric guitar. I understand Viking55's viewpoint, bottom line, they were pushing 70, but I wish they'd stopped playing so many gigs and looked at quality over quantity. I don't hate Frame. I just wish the stubborn ass had looked at the bigger picture years ago. Less gigs but mix it up a bit, look at the quality of the gigs and aim for bigger crowds. Too late now.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 11, 2017 20:18:21 GMT
Totally agree with the less gigs thing 4th chord. Just too many tours and gigs imo over the years. Especially at their ages. We fans got far too used to em but it just got too stale because of the quantity imo. And the staleness and regularity led to Some long term fans who followed them around to become frustrated ! Bored ! I know some will disagree but if they had only toured every 2 or 3 years with only selected dates I think we all would have enjoyed it that bit more. Look atbpeople like the Stones. They still have 50 th Anniversary tours etc..but fans clamour to see them as they do it irregularly but quality gigs ! I absolutely detest band who go inactive for years and then suddenly it's their 30th Anniversary and a tour s announced. Think that is cheating the fans more but the fans lap it up as it's still fresh !
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Post by viking55 on Feb 11, 2017 20:22:13 GMT
Just to get this straight.... You think Francis Rossi, the man who said he never wanted to do the Acoustic albums in the first place, the man who quit the band in 84 and for the last 6 or 7 years has wanted to quit touring because he was sick of it, the man who has admitted all of this and said all this in various interviews, the man who didn't give a shit about Alan his oldest and best friend....done the acoustic albums and done that tour last winter to protect Rick and keep a band together he has split up on numerous occasions? Fucking. Hell. You disagree then? ;-) FWIW, I think Rick wanted to keep going. It's all he wanted, the roar of the crowd and a LOUD electric guitar. I understand Viking55's viewpoint, bottom line, they were pushing 70, but I wish they'd stopped playing so many gigs and looked at quality over quantity. I don't hate Frame. I just wish the stubborn ass had looked at the bigger picture years ago. Less gigs but mix it up a bit, look at the quality of the gigs and aim for bigger crowds. Too late now. You can use the word Fuck or Fucking as much as you want FW I ain't impressed with it to be honest. Some might be but not me ! And yes I think I'm not far off the mark !
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 11, 2017 20:56:11 GMT
The basic facts is Money, both Rick and Francis needed it and it looks like Rick may have needed it more than Francis. That's why they were contiunally touring and doing gigs like Turkey. Good money spinners, Yep they may have sold more doing FF but some hardcore fans had already voiced dissenstion about doing the 2nd tour after saying the first was a one off.
There was a chance that another FF tour would not have made much more money than a ordinary tour. So with the rumblings between Alan and Francis happening again, Rick having a bit too much sherry that got knocked on the head.
That 2014 heart attack did more damage to Rick than he let on I think. However he needed the money so the LNOTE tour was announced to pack in the crowds, which it did unfortuantly it was too much for Rick and the inevitable happened again. That changed the gameplan and the band had to carry on without him. Rick needed the money so the PLC project was spoke about however sadly then the worst happened.
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Post by azza200 on Feb 11, 2017 21:26:21 GMT
Thing is the the endless touring year in year is not good in the long run as viking55 said in his post which i agree with. They should take some well earned time off i mean the endless touring stale tour setlists both pissed off Jeff and Matt and they jumped and got fed up with it. Sometimes i look at Andy and think he looks bored as well and is just going thru the motions of a gig. Another band who are endlessly touring is Metallica they have been on the road non stop since for 10 years now yes they have a new album released but even before that their setlist's were getting boring and stale only with the current album out they have changed the set up a bit yet. Even James this week became ill and they had to cancel a few dates yet now they are back on the road.
Endless touring is ok to a limit but Rick who had several heart attacks over the last couple of years should of been a wake up call to the management to let them all take break for 6 months as even now the clips i see from late last year they are all clearly tired burnt out going thru motions of a gig. The management is bad for booking endless gigs and not putting health first before profit.
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