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Post by viking55 on Feb 12, 2017 14:58:26 GMT
But it isn't souless or mechanical pursuit if you need money though. That's why 90% of people get up to souless mechanical jobs to put food on the table ! He didn't have a soulless mechanical job though, but he has been ok about letting it turn into one . Do you really think that if the FF was still recording now without having ever split it would be different ? I don't ! People would have got bored with it... just the same endless this endless that ! Ddderddder ! It would have run its course well and truly by 2017. Yes it felt fresh and nostalgic in 13-14 cause it had been god knows how many years since . So if they were had lept going I bet it would feel a bit souless and predictable just the same ! Well I don't even need to prove that as the last 2 FF albums back that up and that was 30 years ago. And now I guess we will get round to its Rossi's fault he has wrote shit songs for the last 30 years... not Quo songs and all that crap.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 12, 2017 14:59:24 GMT
Yes, money does make the world go round. But I guess for Quo, they don't feel that they had/have enough.
I watched some of the Bowie documentary last night - The Last 5 Years. And I didn't know that in 2004, he had a heart attack whilst on tour, aged 57. And after that, he never toured again. And when recording his next album, he did it secret and only worked shorter days than in the past. So he must have had enough money, that this was not a priority for him. And being able to continue both working and enjoy what was left of his life took over. Its a shame that Quo weren't/aren't in a position to do that.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 12, 2017 15:02:26 GMT
But it isn't souless or mechanical pursuit if you need money though. That's why 90% of people get up to souless mechanical jobs to put food on the table ! That makes absolute no sense Agree it doesn't make sense. I understand the necessity of working to earn money. But when the ONLY reason is to make money and with out any other form of satisfaction, then it becomes a souless or mechanical pursuit.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 12, 2017 15:04:10 GMT
Yes, money does make the world go round. But I guess for Quo, they don't feel that they had/have enough. I watched some of the Bowie documentary last night - The Last 5 Years. And I didn't know that in 2004, he had a heart attack whilst on tour, aged 57. And after that, he never toured again. And when recording his next album, he did it secret and only worked shorter days than in the past. So he must have had enough money, that this was not a priority for him. And being able to continue both working and enjoy what was left of his life took over. Its a shame that Quo weren't/aren't in a position to do that. Nice post. Totally agree.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 12, 2017 15:04:44 GMT
For me Status Quo one of the greatest names in British rock music history playing to a disinterested audience at a Turkish horticultural exposition at the fag end of their career served absolutely no purpose other than to earn a few quid, which was pretty much the only purpose the band had left for existing. MONEY exactly. Stuff Legacies. Money is what makes the world go round. If a tour promoter offers them the gig and they need the cash they will do it ! And have regularly. Like next year if a promoter says ok Francis do you want another 500k in your bank account for a U.K. Tour but only under the QUO name what's the answer going to be. I know what mine would be !! It's called topping up your income ! That's why FW is wasting his energy arguing about legacies and the right thing to do and all that loyalty crap ! They are 4th league now in record sales. It doesn't sustain them. Example in our local HMV the exact same new deluxe issues are still there months later. No one is s interested in them apart from a few rows of old moshpit fanatics still around and pretending the FF are still 1st division. Even bloody Fleetwood Macs rumours sells more copies than all Quo FF stuff put together ! It's all over with my friends. But I'll still look forward to having a couple of beers and going to watch STATUS QUO as long as Francis is around and a promoter is still willing. Truth hurts sometimes! As we know though the band lost millions through the 70s and 80s. Other bands from that era maybe had better management that didn't rip off their artists quite so much. Queen realised their problems BEFORE the heaonsitc days of the late 70s, so they have always had better control of their product. Francis and Rick both said that the money they lost they can't get back. So they have had to work and work to try and beak even again as they got older. That's without counting the thousands they shoved up their noses.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 12, 2017 15:09:58 GMT
But it isn't souless or mechanical pursuit if you need money though. That's why 90% of people get up to souless mechanical jobs to put food on the table ! That makes absolute no sense . Yep agree I didn't phrase it correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 15:54:21 GMT
Some well thought out responses to this thread. I've been thinking about this since I saw the thread put up and for what it's worth this is what I think.
I don't particularly think the band were thinking of Rick's health at any point, only Rick himself could do that and he certainly lost a lot of weight (probably too much) in the 12 to 18 months before his death. He certainly looked fitter and said all the right things about quitting smoking and cutting back on the booze etc.
The Aquostic stuff came at a time where it seems the in thing to do it....other bands I like are doing it like Simple Minds even UB40....not for one minute do I think it was to protect Rick but to try and cash in.
As for LNOTE tour....well they have previous for going back on things haven't they.
I don't think they should continue as SQ but I'm sure they will for a little while yet.
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Post by Detroit on Feb 12, 2017 16:13:26 GMT
No. Unplugged was discussed with Alan still in the band.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 12, 2017 16:35:12 GMT
He didn't have a soulless mechanical job though, but he has been ok about letting it turn into one . Do you really think that if the FF was still recording now without having ever split it would be different ? I don't ! People would have got bored with it... just the same endless this endless that ! Ddderddder ! It would have run its course well and truly by 2017. Yes it felt fresh and nostalgic in 13-14 cause it had been god knows how many years since . So if they were had lept going I bet it would feel a bit souless and predictable just the same ! Well I don't even need to prove that as the last 2 FF albums back that up and that was 30 years ago. And now I guess we will get round to its Rossi's fault he has wrote shit songs for the last 30 years... not Quo songs and all that crap. It's true though... Looking Out For Caroline sounds exactly like a lot of the crap he's wrote since 1983 and every time it's just a re hash of it. Those type of songs aren't what Status Quo were associated with... His fault? Nope. Can write what he likes but, he's proved he writes better rock songs than that shite... His fault that it came to that? Absolutely. Alan, Rick and John would have added to those type of songs to make it better. It's common knowledge that Rhino and Jeff had to run things past Francis first. Dirty Water would not have been the song it became without that bass line, the way the drums were arranged and the way Rick plays on it Also, the variation on the albums the FF made was fantastic. It was never an album full of "derderder" as you put it. That's a selective memory on your part. It's ridiculous to suggest it. Piledriver, Dog, OTL, RAOTW etc are all varied. Even Quo is varied and nowhere near all the same. Acdc have made the same record every time. No one is bored with that. You underestimate Quo and what could have been Even Jus Supposin is varied
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 12, 2017 16:48:14 GMT
. Do you really think that if the FF was still recording now without having ever split it would be different ? I don't ! People would have got bored with it... just the same endless this endless that ! Ddderddder ! It would have run its course well and truly by 2017. Yes it felt fresh and nostalgic in 13-14 cause it had been god knows how many years since . So if they were had lept going I bet it would feel a bit souless and predictable just the same ! Well I don't even need to prove that as the last 2 FF albums back that up and that was 30 years ago. And now I guess we will get round to its Rossi's fault he has wrote shit songs for the last 30 years... not Quo songs and all that crap. It's true though... Looking Out For Caroline sounds exactly like a lot of the crap he's wrote since 1983 and every time it's just a re hash of it. Those type of songs aren't what Status Quo were associated with... His fault? Nope. Can write what he likes but, he's proved he writes better rock songs than that shite... His fault that it came to that? Absolutely. Alan, Rick and John would have added to those type of songs to make it better. It's common knowledge that Rhino and Jeff had to run things past Francis first. Dirty Water would not have been the song it became without that bass line, the way the drums were arranged and the way Rick plays on it Also, the variation on the albums the FF made was fantastic. It was never an album full of "derderder" as you put it. That's a selective memory on your part. It's ridiculous to suggest it. Piledriver, Dog, OTL, RAOTW etc are all varied. Even Quo is varied and nowhere near all the same. Acdc have made the same record every time. No one is bored with that. You underestimate Quo and what could have been Even Jus Supposin is varied Someone I know who is a big Quo fan to this day but is not a Internet person so won't be on here says this and I think he is right. Between 1970-76 there was no-one to touch them on record they were the best band in the UK. However after RAOTW gave them a taste of worldwide success they have been chasing that single and tried to follow it up ever since. They started to follow trends instead of trying to set them.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 12, 2017 16:52:47 GMT
It's true though... Looking Out For Caroline sounds exactly like a lot of the crap he's wrote since 1983 and every time it's just a re hash of it. Those type of songs aren't what Status Quo were associated with... His fault? Nope. Can write what he likes but, he's proved he writes better rock songs than that shite... His fault that it came to that? Absolutely. Alan, Rick and John would have added to those type of songs to make it better. It's common knowledge that Rhino and Jeff had to run things past Francis first. Dirty Water would not have been the song it became without that bass line, the way the drums were arranged and the way Rick plays on it Also, the variation on the albums the FF made was fantastic. It was never an album full of "derderder" as you put it. That's a selective memory on your part. It's ridiculous to suggest it. Piledriver, Dog, OTL, RAOTW etc are all varied. Even Quo is varied and nowhere near all the same. Acdc have made the same record every time. No one is bored with that. You underestimate Quo and what could have been Even Jus Supposin is varied Someone I know who is a big Quo fan to this day but is not a Internet person so won't be on here says this and I think he is right. Between 1970-76 there was no-one to touch them on record they were the best band in the UK. However after RAOTW gave them a taste of worldwide success they have been chasing that single and tried to follow it up ever since. They started to follow trends instead of trying to set them. I agree. The arrangements, dynamics, time signatures of the songs were outstanding. Some of the arrangements on tracks make you laugh even thinking about how in God's name they came up with the ideas. RAOTW is probably the best and worst thing to happen to them. Alan cites it as one of his favourite songs, which baffles me tbh
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 12, 2017 17:00:56 GMT
Someone I know who is a big Quo fan to this day but is not a Internet person so won't be on here says this and I think he is right. Between 1970-76 there was no-one to touch them on record they were the best band in the UK. However after RAOTW gave them a taste of worldwide success they have been chasing that single and tried to follow it up ever since. They started to follow trends instead of trying to set them. I agree. The arrangements, dynamics, time signatures of the songs were outstanding. Some of the arrangements on tracks make you laugh even thinking about how in God's name they came up with the ideas. RAOTW is probably the best and worst thing to happen to them. Alan cites it as one of his favourite songs, which baffles me tbh Wierd he says that now, as in one the books Rick or Francis said. That Alan and his wife thought they were daft to be releasing it as a single.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 12, 2017 17:04:56 GMT
I agree. The arrangements, dynamics, time signatures of the songs were outstanding. Some of the arrangements on tracks make you laugh even thinking about how in God's name they came up with the ideas. RAOTW is probably the best and worst thing to happen to them. Alan cites it as one of his favourite songs, which baffles me tbh Wierd he says that now, as in one the books Rick or Francis said. That Alan and his wife thought they were daft to be releasing it as a single. He said it back in an interview in 1994....POMM, Backwater, JTM, Accident Prone and RAOTW were his favourite Quo tracks....There were a few others but, those were defo mentioned... I think it was just Francis or Rick firing shots at Alan after what Alan said about Francis
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 12, 2017 17:11:51 GMT
Wierd he says that now, as in one the books Rick or Francis said. That Alan and his wife thought they were daft to be releasing it as a single. He said it back in an interview in 1994....POMM, Backwater, JTM, Accident Prone and RAOTW were his favourite Quo tracks....There were a few others but, those were defo mentioned... I think it was just Francis or Rick firing shots at Alan after what Alan said about Francis It might have been the sound though they were complaining about. As we know they all now hate the original mix of the album, again thats where the chasing trends came in. They copied what everyone else was doing and mixed the album to (supposedly) suit everyone. Especially American AOR stations.
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Post by viking55 on Feb 12, 2017 17:58:40 GMT
He said it back in an interview in 1994....POMM, Backwater, JTM, Accident Prone and RAOTW were his favourite Quo tracks....There were a few others but, those were defo mentioned... I think it was just Francis or Rick firing shots at Alan after what Alan said about Francis It might have been the sound though they were complaining about. As we know they all now hate the original mix of the album, again thats where the chasing trends came in. They copied what everyone else was doing and mixed the album to (supposedly) suit everyone. Especially American AOR stations. Hindsight is a wonderful thing ! Even the best of us wish in their lives they had made different decisions at certain times but you just have to live with it !
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