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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 20:52:39 GMT
Hi All, K, Sadly up until very recently I had always given FR the benefit of doubt, but over the last year it has become very apparent that he has wound up the majority of Quo fans with ever increasing arrogant interviews lambasting Quo's history. In particular the FF history especially after the reunion tours, which is stupid for he was a main influence in that part of Quo's history. Yet he obviously hates it for whatever reason ? And your post is spot on with the latest RP interview like I said the dying breath of a once great giant of the rock world.....
Geoff.
Francis does not hate the FF, he said the other day if he hated what he had done it meant he would have wasted his life. He regards On The Level as the best Quo album. He has just fallen out of love with the Heavy Rock element of the band. Not that different to Ritchie Blackmore who is still proud of In Rock and Machine Head but prefers his softer medieval melodic stuff these days. Hi All, LF, If as you say he doesn't then why all the negativity ? It's his history he set up the band with Alan etc.etc.etc. He should be embracing that history because it's the bands most successful era of iconic music produced, not saying this that or the other then changing his mind in whatever interview for magazine or documentary.
He has in the past said one thing then contradicted himself, which I will be honest we have all more than likely done at some point in our life. None the less if he doesn't hate that era why then was their no third reunion tour ? A new FF Album or at the least an EP ? failing that a FF/CQ new material dbl album ? unless it was management stopping it. He is the leader surely he could just say hold on if I want this I will have it, he seems to have done this with the band since their reformation after the record company waved the contract in front of his face wouldn't you agree ?
I mean you can surely see where the confusion between what he says about the band on one hand and fans such as us lot on the forum either read or hear in interviews. As you say "He has just fallen out of love with the Heavy Rock element of the band" this may well be true ? The use of the word hate being to strong, but to add statements like it was "Nostalgic" regarding the reunion tours, it's a bit of an insult to the other FF members and the fans of that era wouldn't you agree ?
It certailnly makes you wonder if he really has any fondness for that time. Can you imagine if he said that about CQ now that he thinks acoustic is the bands way forward and reversed the decision in the future ? I imagine that CQ fans would have the same feeling as the FF era fans vs CQ era fans would they not ?
Myself I can listen to all their output without prejudice even the acoustic, some of it I like some of it not to keen on but it all grows on you if you listen enough. Politics aside my main bug bear has been no new studio album since PPQ when I think the band are very capable and could easily have produce another similar album.
After all if likes of Saxon/Judas Priest/Motorhead(RIP Lemmy ) did why not Quo ? instead of releasing yet another compilation then the acoustic and now another acoustic. I think that many fans would have accepted the three last outings better if their was new material album along with this output. In my mind failing to capitalise on the reunion was a monumental management mistake for both FF and CQ, but like I have also said before all we give is opinions at the end of the day and those on the inside know what the truth is and not the observer as we fans are on the outside.....
Geoff.
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Post by jaynieeee on Oct 26, 2016 21:15:15 GMT
Don't think it is as black & white as people make out.
Francis didn't want to the film, he didn't want to the acoustic album and I don't think he wanted to appear in Coronation Street.
The Quo Christmas song, was (partly) a RP composition and I won't go into his earlier Christmas attempt.
In the interview Rick says that although he won't be performing he still has an interest in Quo. To me that is financial and it is RICK's interest to keep the money coming in from Quo recordings/gigs.
For promoters it is safer to have a product will turn up & do the work.
How long will an acoustic Quo last?Likely not that long, the casual fan wants the hits and will tire of acoustic shows quite quickly.
A final electric tour, an acoustic one and a few bits & pieces WITH Rick's blessing will pull in the bit of ready cash for the main shareholders.
Once the existing commitments have been fulfilled, and maybe a few other lucrative ones and then that is the end with royalties being collected in and shared out.
Both RP & FR will more or less go their separate ways. FR will likely find enough to keep him occupied, pottering around the house/garden, his family, some producing/writing and maybe the odd solo show/tour. RP, I worry more about, he really hasn't much produced any written material for a while, (third) marriage (apparently) on the rocks, young kids in a different country, with their mum. Health not too great and previous indications suggest an addictive personality. He has previously tried business ventures - the game didn't really take off, don't think Facelift/Rockano I the great hit that was hoped for. The was was property venture in Spain but no idea what the deal was there.
I wish Rick and Francis the best and I hope Rick's health is good and bad someh finds peace and contentment.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 26, 2016 21:21:35 GMT
Francis does not hate the FF, he said the other day if he hated what he had done it meant he would have wasted his life. He regards On The Level as the best Quo album. He has just fallen out of love with the Heavy Rock element of the band. Not that different to Ritchie Blackmore who is still proud of In Rock and Machine Head but prefers his softer medieval melodic stuff these days. Hi All, LF, If as you say he doesn't then why all the negativity ? It's his history he set up the band with Alan etc.etc.etc. He should be embracing that history because it's the bands most successful era of iconic music produced, not saying this that or the other then changing his mind in whatever interview for magazine or documentary.
He has in the past said one thing then contradicted himself, which I will be honest we have all more than likely done at some point in our life. None the less if he doesn't hate that era why then was their no third reunion tour ? A new FF Album or at the least an EP ? failing that a FF/CQ new material dbl album ? unless it was management stopping it. He is the leader surely he could just say hold on if I want this I will have it, he seems to have done this with the band since their reformation after the record company waved the contract in front of his face wouldn't you agree ?
I mean you can surely see where the confusion between what he says about the band on one hand and fans such as us lot on the forum either read or hear in interviews. As you say "He has just fallen out of love with the Heavy Rock element of the band" this may well be true ? The use of the word hate being to strong, but to add statements like it was "Nostalgic" regarding the reunion tours, it's a bit of an insult to the other FF members and the fans of that era wouldn't you agree ?
It certailnly makes you wonder if he really has any fondness for that time. Can you imagine if he said that about CQ now that he thinks acoustic is the bands way forward and reversed the decision in the future ? I imagine that CQ fans would have the same feeling as the FF era fans vs CQ era fans would they not ?
Myself I can listen to all their output without prejudice even the acoustic, some of it I like some of it not to keen on but it all grows on you if you listen enough. Politics aside my main bug bear has been no new studio album since PPQ when I think the band are very capable and could easily have produce another similar album.
After all if likes of Saxon/Judas Priest/Motorhead(RIP Lemmy ) did why not Quo ? instead of releasing yet another compilation then the acoustic and now another acoustic. I think that many fans would have accepted the three last outings better if their was new material album along with this output. In my mind failing to capitalise on the reunion was a monumental management mistake for both FF and CQ, but like I have also said before all we give is opinions at the end of the day and those on the inside know what the truth is and not the observer as we fans are on the outside.....
Geoff.
I suppose, the biggest problem has been too many tours not enough time to do solo projects. Francis has been wanting to do another solo album for the past 3 years. He says he can do it next year but he also want's to retire. I think we would have had a FF album if there were not other things he also wanted to do. Which you cannot blame him for, also I think some issues happened on the 2014 FF tour. Alan was feeling his feet again and it frightened Francis off. Nostalgia wise I kind of get where Francis was coming from, the newest track in the set was 38 years old, while the oldest was 44. I too like all eras of the band. I get the acoustic albums are not to everyones taste. However I find them something ok for the occasional spin. The 70-81 albums are my favorite but being a younger fan I can appreciate the newer stuff. I have to say though Francis has this knack of writing songs that get in your head and you hum even if some of them are not as good as others.
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 26, 2016 21:33:26 GMT
I wouldn't say a Gold album is destroying a band, obviously there are people out there who likes the Aquostic stuff Three cheers for Mrs Smith in Doncaster who can put her copy of Aquostic on the shelf next to Cilla Black, Michael Buble, Susan Boyle and any other garbage they have been spoon-fed enough to be convinced to buy. Russ Abbot should be at the bottom of the pile. If the motivation to buy an album is because the band take their clothes off then they are not Quo fans nor music fans. Pure and simple. So what you're saying is that no one that buys the album actually listen to it? Would you say that the people buying these albums are beneath you? Why are you saying that the people buying these albums are motivated by the band taking their clothes of? You have no idea why they're buying it, as I said, obviously there's people out there who likes it.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 26, 2016 21:51:00 GMT
And me, I was there also. Well if I'd known I'd have bought you a drink...... How lovely. Thanks.
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Post by whoaskedyou on Oct 26, 2016 22:21:30 GMT
It does not surprise me he was not into the Aquostic stuff....he would have liked to do a bit more FF..to be honest all this under current of going along with things cannot have made him happy...we don't really know the total extent of his relationshhip with FR these days..perhaps it is none of our business..what I do see in Francis in some of he posted interviews, is a fairly upbeat slightly chipper character...we may not agree with any or some of his interviews but he does not seem unhappy..he is in control the others tag along...he seems concerned about Rick naturally, but also cannot help but add in the comment about Ritchie bringing in something new.which he can't fully get to grips with yet...something exciting is happening etc etc.
There is no Quo without Rick...hopefully he can make a recovery..time to then have the confidence to do want he wants to do..perhaps get together with AL and JC..it may well be we will never see the power of the man opening with Caroline but he still has much to offer rather than strumming on a stool going through the motions.
When one door opens and all that.
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Post by serper on Oct 26, 2016 22:28:27 GMT
Last concert
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 26, 2016 23:02:23 GMT
I for one would love a new Rossi solo album, his last one was amazing It would be interesting to hear a Parfitt solo album as well, I think that would be ace too. Too bad we didn't get one last proper QUO studio album though but I'm okay with Quid Pro Quo to be their last since it's one of my all time favorite QUO albums.
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Post by Gaz on Oct 26, 2016 23:48:26 GMT
Last concert
Thanks for that,serpa. Amazing to think that inside Ricks chest his heart was about to call it a day. Rick,as usual, giving his all and at least his last appearance was that of a rocker not a strummer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:54:05 GMT
Three cheers for Mrs Smith in Doncaster who can put her copy of Aquostic on the shelf next to Cilla Black, Michael Buble, Susan Boyle and any other garbage they have been spoon-fed enough to be convinced to buy. Russ Abbot should be at the bottom of the pile. If the motivation to buy an album is because the band take their clothes off then they are not Quo fans nor music fans. Pure and simple. So what you're saying is that no one that buys the album actually listen to it? Would you say that the people buying these albums are beneath you? Why are you saying that the people buying these albums are motivated by the band taking their clothes of? You have no idea why they're buying it, as I said, obviously there's people out there who likes it. Of course some people (i.e. Mrs Smith) bought the album because the band took their clothes off! Why would the band have done it? It was a major PR angle. It's just like them buying albums when somebody croaks it (Cilla Black) in order to pretend that they actually liked them. Yes, I actually think I am above those "fans". I buy my music because of... silly really... the music!! Also, the majority of albums bought nowadays are gifts. Hence why Mother's Day, Father's Day and Christmas are the times of the year when sales are at a high. Anytime else, pathetic. Sometimes looking at just 5k to get in the Top 10. If the first Aquostic had been bought by bona fide Quo fans then Aquostic II would be riding high in the charts. But it's stuck at #7, behind a Phil Collins compilation containing nothing new, heading for less first week sales than the first album. Why? People haven't started buying for Christmas, and the charts are a joke. Quo albums generally sell 10-15k in the first week. That's a good marker to judge how many Mrs Smiths are at large.
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 27, 2016 0:04:00 GMT
So what you're saying is that no one that buys the album actually listen to it? Would you say that the people buying these albums are beneath you? Why are you saying that the people buying these albums are motivated by the band taking their clothes of? You have no idea why they're buying it, as I said, obviously there's people out there who likes it. Of course some people (i.e. Mrs Smith) bought the album because the band took their clothes off! Why would the band have done it? It was a major PR angle. It's just like them buying albums when somebody croaks it (Cilla Black) in order to pretend that they actually liked them. Yes, I actually think I am above those "fans". I buy my music because of... silly really... the music!!Also, the majority of albums bought nowadays are gifts. Hence why Mother's Day, Father's Day and Christmas are the times of the year when sales are at a high. Anytime else, pathetic. Sometimes looking at just 5k to get in the Top 10. If the first Aquostic had been bought by bona fide Quo fans then Aquostic II would be riding high in the charts. But it's stuck at #7, behind a Phil Collins compilation containing nothing new, heading for less first week sales than the first album. Why? People haven't started buying for Christmas, and the charts are a joke. Quo albums generally sell 10-15k in the first week. That's a good marker to judge how many Mrs Smiths are at large. So what you are saying is that no one bought the Aquostic albums because of the music!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 0:07:34 GMT
Of course some people (i.e. Mrs Smith) bought the album because the band took their clothes off! Why would the band have done it? It was a major PR angle. It's just like them buying albums when somebody croaks it (Cilla Black) in order to pretend that they actually liked them. Yes, I actually think I am above those "fans". I buy my music because of... silly really... the music!!Also, the majority of albums bought nowadays are gifts. Hence why Mother's Day, Father's Day and Christmas are the times of the year when sales are at a high. Anytime else, pathetic. Sometimes looking at just 5k to get in the Top 10. If the first Aquostic had been bought by bona fide Quo fans then Aquostic II would be riding high in the charts. But it's stuck at #7, behind a Phil Collins compilation containing nothing new, heading for less first week sales than the first album. Why? People haven't started buying for Christmas, and the charts are a joke. Quo albums generally sell 10-15k in the first week. That's a good marker to judge how many Mrs Smiths are at large. So what you are saying is that no one bought the Aquostic albums because of the music!? I'm not saying that. Of course there were people that bought it because of the music, but they are in the minority. I'm saying the main reasons it sold so well is because it was close to Christmas and the band took their clothes off.
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Post by childof60s on Oct 27, 2016 0:14:02 GMT
A couple of elderly men, who have played their stuff to appreciative audiences for most their lives, now want to 'chill' - It's the forums, boards, facebook and their 'managers' who will keep pushing
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 27, 2016 0:26:54 GMT
So what you are saying is that no one bought the Aquostic albums because of the music!? I'm not saying that. Of course there were people that bought it because of the music, but they are in the minority. I'm saying the main reasons it sold so well is because it was close to Christmas and the band took their clothes off. Yeah, I get what you are implying. I'm only saying that with your logic, we could say that the only reason Thriller sold the way it did was because of people buying it as birthday gifts and Christmas presents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 0:37:26 GMT
I'm not saying that. Of course there were people that bought it because of the music, but they are in the minority. I'm saying the main reasons it sold so well is because it was close to Christmas and the band took their clothes off. Yeah, I get what you are implying. I'm only saying that with your logic, we could say that the only reason Thriller sold the way it did was because of people buying it as birthday gifts and Christmas presents. But the logic is correct, otherwise Quo would constantly be having Gold certified albums. They're not.
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